bagged89s10
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Anyone ever seen one of these? Oliva vise. Pretty cool looking. Someone buy it.
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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Made in Burnsville, MN. Right in my back yard....who knew?
I asked them what a new one cost, and here is their reply:
Hi, for the #108 Double Swivel Base, it is $549.00 plus tax. The #106 Single Swivel Base is $527.00 plus tax.
Thanks,
Dawn.
Anyone ever seen one of these? Oliva vise. Pretty cool looking. Someone buy it.
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Holy ****, the eBay ad lists that as 2,150 kg! That's... wait a minute... 338.6 stone!!
dutchgray
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2.125kg or about 4.6 lb. Its a bit expensive really IMO.
drivesitfar
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Ziggy and Dutch: a period and a comma make a bit of a difference don't they?
dutchgray
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Indeed. It is only little though if you find it on ebay.
jakemac
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Well ......... if lifting the vise doesn't kill you, moving that barrel full of concrete might finish the job.
Mark in Indiana
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Hi Friends,
Pictured below is a vise that will become a family heirloom. I had been consigned to restore a Dunlap No. 5244. The gentleman who enlisted my services told me that this vise belonged to his Wife's Grandfather.
About the vise: It is a Dunlap brand. Dunlap tools were the economy brand sold by Sears. The economy brand these days is Companion. It's sometimes hard to determine the date of manufacture of a vise. I think this one was built in the 1940s.
This vise is considered to be a light duty, home shop vise. However, I was surprised to find how well built this vise was. Upon inspection, I noticed that it was heavier that comparable vises. Here are some observations:
1. The casting was not as hollow as others that I've worked with.
2. I also noticed that it had a formed steel slide to cover the lead screw.
3. The dynamic jaw & swivel base movement wasn't as sloppy as many light duty vises I've worked with.
4. The swivel base had a rib around the locking bolt slot.
5. There is a bushing around the swivel base pivot screw. This is the screw at the center/bottom of the base.
On a side note, I attached a mandrel with Scotch-Brite to the back end of my 1968 Craftsman radial arm saw for polishing small details (see 4th. picture). Maybe I should post this on Vise Repair 101.
It has been delivered to the customer. He's very happy with it.
Happy trails.
Pictured below is a vise that will become a family heirloom. I had been consigned to restore a Dunlap No. 5244. The gentleman who enlisted my services told me that this vise belonged to his Wife's Grandfather.
About the vise: It is a Dunlap brand. Dunlap tools were the economy brand sold by Sears. The economy brand these days is Companion. It's sometimes hard to determine the date of manufacture of a vise. I think this one was built in the 1940s.
This vise is considered to be a light duty, home shop vise. However, I was surprised to find how well built this vise was. Upon inspection, I noticed that it was heavier that comparable vises. Here are some observations:
1. The casting was not as hollow as others that I've worked with.
2. I also noticed that it had a formed steel slide to cover the lead screw.
3. The dynamic jaw & swivel base movement wasn't as sloppy as many light duty vises I've worked with.
4. The swivel base had a rib around the locking bolt slot.
5. There is a bushing around the swivel base pivot screw. This is the screw at the center/bottom of the base.
On a side note, I attached a mandrel with Scotch-Brite to the back end of my 1968 Craftsman radial arm saw for polishing small details (see 4th. picture). Maybe I should post this on Vise Repair 101.
It has been delivered to the customer. He's very happy with it.
Happy trails.
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jakemac
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Just an addition to your Sears history. The Companion label was the original economy label that Sears used from the mid 30's to about 1940 when the Dunlap label began to be used. There was a little overlap between the two labels from 1940-1942 (approximately).
I wasn't aware that they were using the Companion label again. I wonder when that started ?
Unlike the changing model numbers on the Craftsman labeled vises, it seems that the Dunlap vises used the same 5244 model number even when the vise was re-styled later. I think this is the third style that used the 5244 number. All similar, but slightly different.
Does this one actually have the model number cast into it ?
I wasn't aware that they were using the Companion label again. I wonder when that started ?
Unlike the changing model numbers on the Craftsman labeled vises, it seems that the Dunlap vises used the same 5244 model number even when the vise was re-styled later. I think this is the third style that used the 5244 number. All similar, but slightly different.
Does this one actually have the model number cast into it ?
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Mark in Indiana
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Jakemac:
I didn't know that Companion was an older Sears label. I only have shopped for C-Man tools there while I worked in the trades.
5244 is cast into the opposite side of the body. It also has B8582 stamped into the base of the stationary jaw body and 4351 stamped into the lower, side of the dynamic jaw. I assume that those maybe were production part numbers.
I didn't know that Companion was an older Sears label. I only have shopped for C-Man tools there while I worked in the trades.
5244 is cast into the opposite side of the body. It also has B8582 stamped into the base of the stationary jaw body and 4351 stamped into the lower, side of the dynamic jaw. I assume that those maybe were production part numbers.
Mark in Indiana
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Zoom:
Thank you for your kind words.
Thank you for your kind words.
zoomieport
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You did that Family a solid!
You should be proud of yourself and proud of your work.
I'd be proud to display that, for sure!
CwazyWabbit
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Anyone got the specs on a Record no 633? I know it's a 5" jaw but would like to know the weight and max opening if poss.
wrenchguy
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nice, real nice. i like human stories like this involving tools. i have a scotch pad setup 4 use with my 4" angle grinder.
trijeff
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drivesitfar
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Mark: not enough good things can be said for the way you spiff up an old vise. isn't it funny how the economy versions of old brands are probably as nice or nicer than the best versions of some of the vise company's of today?
for a little vise that Dunlap sure has some character.
yes, please post the before and after on the 101 thread. also that handy little trick you did with your radial saw that some guys might like to try.
thanks for sharing
for a little vise that Dunlap sure has some character.
yes, please post the before and after on the 101 thread. also that handy little trick you did with your radial saw that some guys might like to try.
thanks for sharing
bigcaddy
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I just finished up my Wilton 645 from last weekends yard sale score. It was originally red but I'm partial to the hammer tone blue color.
This is one of the first vises I've actually restored in the past few months. Work has been a bear and I'm too busy to work on them. It's even been hard to find time to buy them
This is one of the first vises I've actually restored in the past few months. Work has been a bear and I'm too busy to work on them. It's even been hard to find time to buy them
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topop101
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Just not fair.
I struggle to find a beat up bullet and you have weAkly gems in your back yard...topop101
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Well ......... if lifting the vise doesn't kill you, moving that barrel full of concrete might finish the job.
I can tell you the barrel will weigh 760 LBS give or take. Been there and done that one
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topop101
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Darn nice ! The only thing better than a nice piece of iron is the men who used it with respect... real nice. I have one sitting one a shelf some where... maybe I'll get it dug out this weekend. Thanks for the inspiration
va.grouseman
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Drive---Here's where I am with the Columbian.---You can see from the first two pictures how the rear of the slide was used for an anvil.---Used a brass/bronze slide for an anvil.---Now how about that.---Now that's real respect for other peoples stuff, but they were government workers, so there.
The slide had a 3/16'' x 2'' dip in the middle which belled the sides out just enough to make it sluggish to slide out .---Beat on it for two days, peening with a 2 lb. hammer and 5/8'' stainless steel rod.---I swear the stuff is harder than steel to get to move.---finally got it almost flush.---Still a 1/64'' dip in one spot yet.
I'll get it all together and put it in the vice repair thread when I get it all done.
The slide had a 3/16'' x 2'' dip in the middle which belled the sides out just enough to make it sluggish to slide out .---Beat on it for two days, peening with a 2 lb. hammer and 5/8'' stainless steel rod.---I swear the stuff is harder than steel to get to move.---finally got it almost flush.---Still a 1/64'' dip in one spot yet.
I'll get it all together and put it in the vice repair thread when I get it all done.
drivesitfar
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VA: that is one awesome vise. nice job on the pipe jaws and i hope the feeling in your fingers will come back one day soon.
so it sort of looks like Pac man with those shiny jaws until you get the rest of the vise's patina shined up. that is a cool vise and a cool project.
ALL: i picked up some bolts which i thought were stainless and they are Alloy 400. anybody ever use that type of bolt to mount a vise or bolt a ship together which i'm hearing is one use for them? it might work great to use them to mount a Reed 106 to my Ford flatbed truck?
so it sort of looks like Pac man with those shiny jaws until you get the rest of the vise's patina shined up. that is a cool vise and a cool project.
ALL: i picked up some bolts which i thought were stainless and they are Alloy 400. anybody ever use that type of bolt to mount a vise or bolt a ship together which i'm hearing is one use for them? it might work great to use them to mount a Reed 106 to my Ford flatbed truck?
Nuts
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Y'all be careful about the Nuts jokes, I'm a bit sensitive.
And yes my addictions are on the heavy side.
I'm trying to resist starting on vises, just need to find
a couple of replacements for the work bench.
Nuts aka Doug
And yes my addictions are on the heavy side.
I'm trying to resist starting on vises, just need to find
a couple of replacements for the work bench.
Nuts aka Doug
Outlawmws
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Companion ran from about 1933 to about 1940 as mentioned. and again in the 70's/80's or so. I remember wondering who the heck would by such inferior tools back then... If they are back yet again it's news to me. for that these days it's been "Sears" brand...
Fraggles
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Interesting looking vice.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150mm-6-s...116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a094a0ac
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150mm-6-s...116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a094a0ac
jakemac
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Companion ran from about 1933 to about 1940 as mentioned. and again in the 70's/80's or so. I remember wondering who the heck would by such inferior tools back then... If they are back yet again it's news to me. for that these days it's been "Sears" brand...
I wonder if they bring the name back for a short time every few decades,
just to keep the trademark ?
Fretters
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That's a Dohm(-Wilson) machinist vice.
CwazyWabbit
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Looks to me like a Dohm turret vice
40 miles from me so might be worth a punt .... unless you are going to make the journey from the smoke Fraggles in which case I'll leave it for you to bid on.Fretters
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Annealing it would make it a lot easier to rework, but then you'd have to either work harden it, (the reshaping would achieve that mostly, if you could confine the annealing specifically to the affected area), else treat it really nice whilst it age hardens.
It's usually worth annealing anything copper based before notably working it, to prevent it from becoming brittle.
CwazyWabbit
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Will be getting this vice picked up for me later ..... Thanks go to Dutch for finding it and letting me know
It has 5" jaws and is a record 633
This is a proper saved from the scrapper job as it's at a metal recycling yard.
It has 5" jaws and is a record 633
This is a proper saved from the scrapper job as it's at a metal recycling yard.
Fretters
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Nice. Not a type I've ever seen before. Looks like somebody has had a field day with a torch or such on the back of that slide.
Not a type I've ever seen before. Looks like somebody has had a field day with a torch or such on the back of that slide. CwazyWabbit
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Lol, it was described as 'well used' At 25 quid I thought it worth the gamble ....
I think they were around in the 60's and 70's, described as an American style vice by Record.
There's a smaller one on eBay at 120 (a No632) and there was a bigger broken one(No634) earlier in the year that got pulled when it was over 100, no doubt to do a deal off of eBay.
Worse case if it's proper buggered it can go to a scrap man down here
At 25 quid I thought it worth the gamble ....I think they were around in the 60's and 70's, described as an American style vice by Record.
There's a smaller one on eBay at 120 (a No632) and there was a bigger broken one(No634) earlier in the year that got pulled when it was over 100, no doubt to do a deal off of eBay.
Worse case if it's proper buggered it can go to a scrap man down here
xxaler
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Will be getting this vice picked up for me later ..... Thanks go to Dutch for finding it and letting me know
It has 5" jaws and is a record 633
This is a proper saved from the scrapper job as it's at a metal recycling yard.
I'm in the process of restoring it's big brother, a 634. Good looking vises.
Fretters
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I was guessing post 60's, from the leadscrew ball shape.
Worse case if it's proper buggered it can go to a scrap man down here
Even if it was, worth keeping just as an ornament.
CwazyWabbit
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Got any pictures of yours? They're quite thin on the ground.
Fraggles
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Fretters & CW
I think i'm going to pass on the Dohm turret vice . The description says the lead screw is not original
Though I'm tempted by this 35 to sit between my 34 and 36
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Record-No-35-Vice-/281657857841?
I think i'm going to pass on the Dohm turret vice . The description says the lead screw is not original
Though I'm tempted by this 35 to sit between my 34 and 36
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Record-No-35-Vice-/281657857841?
CwazyWabbit
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The original lead screw is included with that Dohm as it's in the later pics
xxaler
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Third picture is next to the Record No.6 I use everyday at work.
Right now the 634 is in a light coat of primer under my bench, ordered some fancy Record blue in hammer finish from your side of the pond, waiting on it to show up. Going to do a little body work with JB weld and clean it up very nice around the base. A lot of casting imperfections around the bottom.
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