The VISES of Garage Journal

[CwazyWabbit]

Hey Wabbit,

I got a Woden 186B/00 in the mail a couple days ago:

It has the stamp "54" on the bottom so I guess it's a 1954!

The feature in the handle spindle (the little groove) tells me that this Woden is halfway to being taken over by Record. My other Wodens do not have this type of spindle.

Also it just says "B/00" on the side and not "186B/00" so it is on the newer side for a Woden.

That's good info on the woden dating, the 00 vices are kinda nice, all the features of a full size vice including a replaceable nut. I've only got one woden vice at the moment .... I've got quite an eclectic collection that'll get slimmed later this year so I'll leave the woden collecting to you guys

 

[topop101]

Is that a Morgan vise or some other USA maker in the link above or a Chinese clone?

I really can't say. I've tried for 3 weAks to get a hold of the owner. No answer. Looks like a Morgan, Columbian? 70's maybe? Newer? Doubt it's Chinese. The versatile base is a nice feature. No sure the Chinese would go to the trouble of that. Swivel or fixed mounting!

 

[PCO6]

Hey Wabbit,

I got a Woden 186B/00 in the mail a couple days ago:

It has the stamp "54" on the bottom so I guess it's a 1954!

The feature in the handle spindle (the little groove) tells me that this Woden is halfway to being taken over by Record. My other Wodens do not have this type of spindle.

Also it just says "B/00" on the side and not "186B/00" so it is on the newer side for a Woden.

That looks like my Woden 186B/00 (on the left below) except that the Woden logos differ slightly.

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[jwicker]

Thanks for the reply drivesitfar.
I used Tapatalk to post and had the photo issue

Anyone else have some Wilton info to share?

Thanks in advance.
Jw

 

[dutchgray]

JZiggy
That's a lovely example of a Woden 00.

I got a paramo No2 and a tiny little Marples.
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View media item 50157I now have Paramo's No 0, 1, 2 & 4.

 

[vintage nut]

This is on Craigslist for 20 bucks. Any thoughts if its a good one or chinese? I'm not sure


you can never have too many tools

 

[vintage nut]

It looks to be pretty tiny

you can never have too many tools

 

[exmaxima1]

JZiggy
That's a lovely example of a Woden 00.

I got a paramo No2 and a tiny little Marples.
View media item 50156

Since you are in the UK, you would have a better knowledge of English vices. How would you compare Paramo to Record? My daily user vise is a Paramo No.6 and I feel it is better made than my Record 24 "Fitters" vise. Is Paramo still around?

 

[dutchgray]

Record's seem better than the Paramo versions generally for a vice made in a similar time period, quality seems to drop off the newer you get. Record's are much more common, maybe 100 times as many available. Paramo is not around anymore and Record has become Chinese made under Irwin. In the standard number series the nut is cast in the static in a Paramo but is separate and pinned in in the Record, meaning you could change it if you broke it, not that you can get them now. Generally I buy as many English made vices I can get for cheap as there is nothing as good available now here.

 

[drivesitfar]

VN: Patina, thick casting and those emblems tell me it might be from 60's or earlier so i'm betting not Chinese cheapo vise. i'd buy it for $20 or at least take a drive over to see it in person if it was close. Triangle with 1 in it on static and I think i see another sideways triangle on the dynamic. interesting and not a common one that I've ever seen before.

 

[vintage nut]

It looked English to me, but I wasn't sure. I'll call the guy and see about taking a look at it.

you can never have too many tools

 

[^&right]

&Right: how do you pronounce your handle or what does it stand for? in any case nice find on the old Blacksmith or leg vise and don't give up on looking for that anvil. weather won't ruin an anvil much, but a fire would so it sounds like it might have some value as a working anvil if you find it.

as far as using penetrant to un seize your vise that might not work well. do you have a bucket of diesel or putting it in a big tray with a few gallons of vinegar should get it un stuck. if you do use vinegar make sure to not leave it in there more than a week or so because the vinegar will start eating the cast iron. once you get it un stuck rinse off the vinegar and dry it off completely as best you can.

spring looks ok from my angle so get it working and greased and see how it works before replacing the spring. nice find and keep us posted as to the progress on making it work like it did in the past either here or on the vise repair 101 thread that could use a few blacksmith vise restorations.
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Drivesitfar - my name stands for "up and to the right" meaning that if my life were drawn on a chart, I want the line to go up and to the right. A better Christian, husband and father. I have more than my fair share of dips though. This may sound silly, but you may remember this Superbowl commercial . As hard as I still laugh at this, it reminds me to not create my own reality.

Thanks for the tip on diesel and vinegar. I'd considered using the electrolysis method, but diesel sounds a whole lot easier! The screw is seized solid, I don't think penetrant will get in there easily. Soaking is my best bet.

Todd

 

[JZiggy]

Todd -- you could also try Kroil. Best penetrating oil I know of.

 

[JZiggy]

This is on Craigslist for 20 bucks. Any thoughts if its a good one or chinese? I'm not sure


you can never have too many tools

That looks like an old English-style vise, not cheap Chinese. I would pick it up for $20 for sure.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I picked up this Wilton 450s today for $50, I had no idea about Wilton vises (or any older vises) prior so I am pretty happy to find out they are so desired. I am officially hooked on old USA made vises now.

It's dated 1/77

This would be a major suckage score! In really nice shape! Good find. To me it is almost to nice to use

 

[exmaxima1]

Record's seem better than the Paramo versions generally for a vice made in a similar time period, quality seems to drop off the newer you get. Record's are much more common, maybe 100 times as many available. Paramo is not around anymore and Record has become Chinese made under Irwin. In the standard number series the nut is cast in the static in a Paramo but is separate and pinned in in the Record, meaning you could change it if you broke it, not that you can get them now. Generally I buy as many English made vices I can get for cheap as there is nothing as good available now here.

Thanks!

 

[bluebolt]

I received more pictures of the mystery Wilton on the bench I posted about awhile back.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4809511&postcount=28983

It is an older Chicago model. The owners "thinks" the jaws are 3". I don't think they are that small. In the pics you will notice their is a pin in the jaw. Is this telling at all? The vise isn't local to me but I have family in the vicinity. Here are the pics...

That is a early 1940's Patent Pending vise I bet, could be a 3" or 4".

 

[vintage nut]

Well I missed the vise. I'll just have to keep my eye out for something cool

you can never have too many tools

 

[RADcustom]

Almost forget..... Welder friend of mine was at a scrap yard & picked up a cherry 6in Wilton bullet for...



ya sitting down..?



Seven freaking dollars...

Are we talking 1760 or C3 or 600?

Dammit man, that's a deal any way you slice it.

 

[balane]

The spindle kit from Yost showed up so I was able to wrap this vise up. Every internal part is brand new and this vise feels new when you open and close it. It's a really sweet working vise I think.

.

 

[zkling]

The spindle kit from Yost showed up so I was able to wrap this vise up. Every internal part is brand new and this vise feels new when you open and close it. It's a really sweet working vise I think.

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Phenomenal transformation.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

With that new spindle I hope you get enough money to make up for it on the selling price. The paint job looks good, safety blue ?

 

[454ragtop]

Did a quicky restore on the 645 I showed before pics of a couple weeks ago. Here it is in Rustoleum satin nickel metallic. Easy job, needed to clean the anvil up a little, and straighten the swivel lock handle, could have even saved the original paint if I was going to use it, but I'll probably sell it.
Jim

 

[topop101]

That is a early 1940's Patent Pending vise I bet, could be a 3" or 4".

Nope... Not a patent pending ... but it is a No. 3. dated 8 -45

XCMTB83 sorry ...

 

[topop101]

Something about cracking open a tool box that hadn't been opened in 20 years an finding all American made quality tools . Oh yeah... and a fricken grenade

XCM.......... ... ...

 

[balane]

Thanks. The paint is a local house brand and is simply called Gloss Blue Enamel. In no way do I expect this vise to make money. I had to put jaws on it too. The vise was frozen solid when I got it and once I started on it I just couldn't bring myself to stop.

I wanted to add, in case people didn't know this, that a brand new main nut needs to be fitted like a gun part. The bottom surface and angled sides needed to be sanded down to get an ideal fit. Brand new it wouldn't even enter its recess without the help of a big hammer. After some smoothing and metal removal it slides in and out nicely.

 

[topop101]

The spindle kit from Yost showed up so I was able to wrap this vise up. Every internal part is brand new and this vise feels new when you open and close it. It's a really sweet working vise I think.

.

Inspiring... really nice work. Way to stick with a bad one and make it $$$

 

[topop101]

Did a quicky restore on the 645 I showed before pics of a couple weeks ago. Here it is in Rustoleum satin nickel metallic. Easy job, needed to clean the anvil up a little, and straighten the swivel lock handle, could have even saved the original paint if I was going to use it, but I'll probably sell it.
Jim

SWEEEEET !. Love these 44's and 45's. Great flippers.

 

[Outlawmws]

Um, I hope that fuse was deactivated!

 

[Outlawmws]

The spindle kit from Yost showed up so I was able to wrap this vise up. Every internal part is brand new and this vise feels new when you open and close it. It's a really sweet working vise I think.

.

So you sprang for it! Hope it sells well with a new screw and nut!

 

[bluebolt]

Nope... Not a patent pending ... but it is a No. 3. dated 8 -45

XCMTB83 sorry ...

Thanks, added it to the Bullet/Cadet vise date database.

 

[topop101]

Thanks, added it to the Bullet/Cadet vise date database.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Topop101, I like that straight blade screwdriver with the helper handle. I think that's why
Phillips took over the market

Balane, Seems the nuts don't want to go in or come out easy !!!
I have one soaking in degreaser right now. I will get the BFH and a wood block out
in a little while.

 

[Fretters]

The spindle kit from Yost showed up so I was able to wrap this vise up. Every internal part is brand new and this vise feels new when you open and close it. It's a really sweet working vise I think.

.

That truly is impressive. Very nice job you've done there.

 

[Fretters]

If you see one.... buy it... them sell it to ME!

I can fair imagine XCMTB83 buying a full set for peanuts and posting a photo of his latest acquisition.

 

[bagged89s10]

Anyone ever seen one of these? It's a pretty unique vise.

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/4994291296.html

 

[CwazyWabbit]

They're quite common, drill vice and lathe all in one.

It's 'The Stewart HandyWorker'

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1196838.pdf

 

[bigcaddy]

I've got a question for the Wilton vise collectors on here.

Would any of you be interested in some replacement fillister head screws to keep your pre 70s Wilton's hardware original? I should be able to get my hands on some stainless steel ones that are pretty much identical to the original

 

[alinc100]

hey all,
been a long time since I've been in the vise thread but I finally got my 1941/42 Wilton bullet back together today and grabbed some photos.
The jaws are complements of KMScott's handy work. Stainless acorn nuts and machine screws from local hardware.

 

[topop101]

I can fair imagine XCMTB83 buying a full set for peanuts and posting a photo of his latest acquisition.

lol... poetic justice !