The VISES of Garage Journal

[Outlawmws]

Seems to be a week for awkward sellers. I'm in the process of dealing with a reticent one at the moment. I'm thinking his auction style listing didn't go quite as well as he hoped/planned, so he ain't chuffed and is being somewhat evasive, but just on principle now I'm digging my heels in. I wouldn't mind if they were just outright honest and said they were hoping for more, but ignoring messages for days and then trying to wriggle out of the sale without giving one any chance/choice is something I class as piss poor form. I've never done any tricks like that no matter how dismal a price something of mine may have achieved by the end of the listing, so I expect no less from others. Not too much to ask, is it?

Gripe mode ended now.

Again, tell him to get it together or it gets reported. An Eprey Sale is a binding contract...

 

[xxaler]

Yep, but it's starting it's resurrection slowly, it will live once more There is surprisingly very little wear to the sliding surfaces.

Although a weld on the side of the slide has stopped any further dismantling this evening, I don't think the neighbours would appreciate a grinder at this time of night.



But I have managed to remove the pipe jaw bolts and the one remaining pipe jaw, which although fitted to the dynamic jaw I'm reasonably certain is one of the ones for the static jaw.

One of the documents you posted for me had shown the dynamic pipe jaw was double sided, if that matters at all to you, otherwise, yes the static pipe jaw will also fit in the dynamic. Checked on my 634.

 

[danstead]

Bagged:

Nice Reed, I wonder how many different styles of the 104 are out there? I just picked mine up in Feb. More images in my Reed Album

 

[gearheadglen]

I inherited these vise jaw taper attachments 25 years ago. These were my grandfathers who was a tool an die maker. Thought they would make addition to the thread. They are from Athol Machine Co and have a 1911 patent date. I still have the original box. Sizes 4 inch and 2 1/2 inch.

 

[dutchgray]

Fraggles
Yes I won the Fulton, for the minimum bid as well, I also must get a 36 but they seem rare around here.

Fretters
I won a Record No2 a week ago for very little that the seller refused to ship, claiming it was damaged, I just left it as I can't be bothered to deal with those kind of people.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

I inherited these vise jaw taper attachments 25 years ago. These were my grandfathers who was a tool an die maker. Thought they would make addition to the thread. They are from Athol Machine Co and have a 1911 patent date. I still have the original box. Sizes 4 inch and 2 1/2 inch.

Those vise jaws are awesome, what holds them on? Is there a magnet under that clip?

 

[HydeEmpire]

http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/bjustastroken/media/photo.jpg.html

 

[Mohawk Dave]

http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/bjustastroken/media/photo.jpg.html

You **** Hyde!

So, how much you give for it?

 

[CwazyWabbit]

One of the documents you posted for me had shown the dynamic pipe jaw was double sided, if that matters at all to you, otherwise, yes the static pipe jaw will also fit in the dynamic. Checked on my 634.

I think the jaw for the dynamic is also longer, otherwise it limits the smallest size of pipe you can hold before the main jaws have fully closed.

 

[topop101]

I inherited these vise jaw taper attachments 25 years ago. These were my grandfathers who was a tool an die maker. Thought they would make addition to the thread. They are from Athol Machine Co and have a 1911 patent date. I still have the original box. Sizes 4 inch and 2 1/2 inch.

Very cleaver. I wonder why things of this nature aren't made today... We have to improvise in our shops instead.

 

[Fretters]

If you know how much you want from a sale use a buy it now listing or set a start price, it's not rocket science after all.

That's pretty much my mindset too. Starting something off low and leaving it to chance is always a dicey affair, but if you do, then you simply take the good with the bad.

no it is not too much to ask.

That's what I thought too.

Again, tell him to get it together or it gets reported. An Eprey Sale is a binding contract...

Only problem with going that route is that it's a guaranteed way of making sure something either disappears or becomes damaged before you can get it. I prefer to try less detrimental methods first.

Fraggles
Yes I won the Fulton, for the minimum bid as well, I also must get a 36 but they seem rare around here.

Thought it might be you who got that one. Noticed it only got one bid, so you did well with that one.

Fretters
I won a Record No2 a week ago for very little that the seller refused to ship, claiming it was damaged, I just left it as I can't be bothered to deal with those kind of people.

Normally, I would just let it go. End of the day, (I'll probably be stoned for saying this in this thread ), it's only a vice. Occasionally principle just kicks in though. This one has irked me, for some reason. As to whether it's irked me enough to risk a 100 mile round trip on the off-chance of being arsed around is another matter entirely though.

 

[bagged89s10]

Bagged:



Nice Reed, I wonder how many different styles of the 104 are out there? I just picked mine up in Feb. More images in my Reed Album

I'm wondering the same.'has anyone found any catalogs showing the old reeds?

 

[arthur6569]

I love this thread!!!! Can anyone help me identify this old craftsman vise? Manufacturer and approximate age? Thanks in advance for any help. I am trying to pick this up locally off cl , I want it NOW but owner says I cant get it until Saturday . He says he will hold it for me. $25

 

[BFBOB]

Outlaw, I'm very offended by your insistence on calling that wonderful online auction house by a vile, pejorative term. It's not Eprey.

It's ePrey.

Show some respect!!

 

[fullthrottle24]

I love this thread!!!! Can anyone help me identify this old craftsman vise? Manufacturer and approximate age? Thanks in advance for any help. I am trying to pick this up locally off cl , I want it NOW but owner says I cant get it until Saturday . He says he will hold it for me. $25

Rock island, date stamped on top of beam near the stationary base. My guess is late 40's as mine is 1946. By the way, great price assuming no damage.

 

[bagged89s10]

Bagged:



Nice Reed, I wonder how many different styles of the 104 are out there? I just picked mine up in Feb. More images in my Reed Album

I took some more pictures of my Reed next to my Wilton before heading to work.









What's the trick to removing the front split collar nut? Do I just remove the set screw and hope I can pound it out with a punch? I tried quickly but It wasn't budging. I sprayed it with wd-40 before I left for work. Hoping it helps.

 

[bagged89s10]

Here's a cool link to Reed vise patent information.

http://www.google.com/patents/US2127008

 

[drivesitfar]

Bagged: there is a set screw on the side to remove before you try to remove the split nut on your reed. There are several Reed vise restorations on 101 thread to check out or PM those members. Good luck

Hyde: which bigun did you bring home? We need more information and specs with more pictures please.

Gear: very nice Athol pieces.

Fretters: good luck with that auction seller and don't lose too much sleep over it. Also nice to see your York with your signature colour. I gotta get one of those vices some day.

 

[Steevo]

I love this thread!!!! Can anyone help me identify this old craftsman vise? Manufacturer and approximate age? Thanks in advance for any help. I am trying to pick this up locally off cl , I want it NOW but owner says I cant get it until Saturday . He says he will hold it for me. $25

Great deal, Arthur. I'd be anxious waiting until Saturday, too.

I have the fixed base version of that vise on my welding bench. I think I paid $35 for mine.

 

[bigcaddy]

Here's a cool link to Reed vise patent information.

http://www.google.com/patents/US2127008

Did you happen to notice if the rear nut is cast or forged with a hexagon profile? I've always been curious if there was any established timeline for when they started using a different style of nut.

 

[balane]

Those Rock Islands (And Cman versions.) are world class vises. Every time I spend time with one I'm just amazed at how well built they are. Solid beyond compare. I have to say Rock Island is in my top 3 favorite vise manufacturers, along with Parker and Reed. Never a bad choice.

 

[bagged89s10]

Did you happen to notice if the rear nut is cast or forged with a hexagon profile? I've always been curious if there was any established timeline for when they started using a different style of nut.

I'll check when I get home. I want to get it taken it apart tonight and start painting it tomorrow

 

[454ragtop]

Middleboro, MA

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/tls/4987735945.html



As of two minutes ago, it's still there. 6" Parker pipe jaw vise with the pipe jaws, $125 . It looks identical to my Parker 289 1/2 or perhaps a 438. In the 180 lb range... if that's what it is.

Thrumcap

Picked this up today. Had called on it last week, but owner was down the Cape and wouldn't be back in his shop till this week. Actually had dealt with this seller before, I posted a Reed 106 I got from him about 20,000 posts ago. Anyway, go to look at it in a dimly lit warehouse, looking hard for cracks or welds, looked good, paid him. Went out to move my truck while they picked it up with a forklift. As they loaded it in my truck, noticed the base looked awful strange, kind of looked like the mounting ear or ears had broken off and been welded back on. Little sick to my stomach as I'm driving home thinking about it. Get home, upon closer inspection, notice the base isn't welded, it is shop made of steel, not cast iron. Loosened the lock bolt, couldn't get it to turn, figured they probably just tapped a hole for the lock bolt and called it close enough. Fought with it to roll it over, removed the center bolt, and found all the OEM Parker brake shoe parts in the base, which had filled with water at some point and rusted. Cleaned the rust out, and it works like brand new. Someone took a piece of 2" plate, cut the shape out with a torch, then machined it perfectly to work with the brake shoes and pin. Now I realize the steel base is actually stronger than the cast base. They didn't spend much time finishing off the outside where it was cut with the torch, but the machine work is first rate. Vise needs a new handle, and what it lacks in rust it makes up for in paint. Has at least 4 heavy coats on it, seems orange first, then blue, maybe green, some yellow, and then topped off with a heavy coat of gray porch paint. Could orange be the original color? Jaws show some wear, but should be fine for a user. Could use a bronze thrust washer to tighten up the screw, anybody got a source?
Thanks, Jim

 

[bagged89s10]

Picked this up today. Had called on it last week, but owner was down the Cape and wouldn't be back in his shop till this week. Actually had dealt with this seller before, I posted a Reed 106 I got from him about 20,000 posts ago. Anyway, go to look at it in a dimly lit warehouse, looking hard for cracks or welds, looked good, paid him. Went out to move my truck while they picked it up with a forklift. As they loaded it in my truck, noticed the base looked awful strange, kind of looked like the mounting ear or ears had broken off and been welded back on. Little sick to my stomach as I'm driving home thinking about it. Get home, upon closer inspection, notice the base isn't welded, it is shop made of steel, not cast iron. Loosened the lock bolt, couldn't get it to turn, figured they probably just tapped a hole for the lock bolt and called it close enough. Fought with it to roll it over, removed the center bolt, and found all the OEM Parker brake shoe parts in the base, which had filled with water at some point and rusted. Cleaned the rust out, and it works like brand new. Someone took a piece of 2" plate, cut the shape out with a torch, then machined it perfectly to work with the brake shoes and pin. Now I realize the steel base is actually stronger than the cast base. They didn't spend much time finishing off the outside where it was cut with the torch, but the machine work is first rate. Vise needs a new handle, and what it lacks in rust it makes up for in paint. Has at least 4 heavy coats on it, seems orange first, then blue, maybe green, some yellow, and then topped off with a heavy coat of gray porch paint. Could orange be the original color? Jaws show some wear, but should be fine for a user. Could use a bronze thrust washer to tighten up the screw, anybody got a source?

Thanks, Jim

That's pretty cool. Did you have pictures other that the CL pictures?

 

[bigcaddy]

Picked this up today. Had called on it last week, but owner was down the Cape and wouldn't be back in his shop till this week. Actually had dealt with this seller before, I posted a Reed 106 I got from him about 20,000 posts ago. Anyway, go to look at it in a dimly lit warehouse, looking hard for cracks or welds, looked good, paid him. Went out to move my truck while they picked it up with a forklift. As they loaded it in my truck, noticed the base looked awful strange, kind of looked like the mounting ear or ears had broken off and been welded back on. Little sick to my stomach as I'm driving home thinking about it. Get home, upon closer inspection, notice the base isn't welded, it is shop made of steel, not cast iron. Loosened the lock bolt, couldn't get it to turn, figured they probably just tapped a hole for the lock bolt and called it close enough. Fought with it to roll it over, removed the center bolt, and found all the OEM Parker brake shoe parts in the base, which had filled with water at some point and rusted. Cleaned the rust out, and it works like brand new. Someone took a piece of 2" plate, cut the shape out with a torch, then machined it perfectly to work with the brake shoes and pin. Now I realize the steel base is actually stronger than the cast base. They didn't spend much time finishing off the outside where it was cut with the torch, but the machine work is first rate. Vise needs a new handle, and what it lacks in rust it makes up for in paint. Has at least 4 heavy coats on it, seems orange first, then blue, maybe green, some yellow, and then topped off with a heavy coat of gray porch paint. Could orange be the original color? Jaws show some wear, but should be fine for a user. Could use a bronze thrust washer to tighten up the screw, anybody got a source?
Thanks, Jim

Jim,

If you feel like you are in a driving mood, True Value hardware in East Orleans should have your thrust washer Every time i end up in Orleans, i go by there to look around and it seems pretty well stocked for hardware.

If you don't want to drive that far, any local hardware or autoparts should have them.

 

[balane]

I talked to these people on the phone and I'm pretty sure this is a 6" York on Seattle CL for $50. Great deal imo. I would go get it but they won't have it at their place until the weekend and I won't be available. So maybe somebody else here wants it. I wish I could go pick it up now but it's just not possible. Good luck to anybody who wants it.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/tls/5000678641.html

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Well it is definitely a York as you can see it written on the side

 

[balane]

Well..... yeah... but the size is the question. She didn't know but said it was the "Biggest vise anybody could imagine owning."

 

[Fretters]

Well..... yeah... but the size is the question. She didn't know but said it was the "Biggest vise anybody could imagine owning."

Looking at that photo, I'd be tepted to say that's most likely a 100, possibly a 125 at a push. With a statement like that, it's just begging for someone to call round for it whilst they have one of the 200lb'ers strapped in the back of the truck. "You think that's big darling? Cop an eyeful of this."

 

[CwazyWabbit]

It's resting on what looks like the seat of a picnic table, how wide are the slats on them normally?

 

[Fretters]

No idea. This is a sideshot of a 100A, for comparison. That CL one may be a 125, looking at it again. I'd be surprised if it's a 150 though. Be nice if it was though, and a fair steal at that price.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

It is definitely bigger than the 100 .... Damn it, we're almost agreeing with Balane

 

[jakemac]

Picked this up today.

A few of us NE guys were eyeballing that ad, but it was too far away to check it out. Glad it went to a GJer.
Mixed feelings about hearing about the base. +/-
Either way, a good price.

 

[xxaler]

Picked this up today. Had called on it last week, but owner was down the Cape and wouldn't be back in his shop till this week. Actually had dealt with this seller before, I posted a Reed 106 I got from him about 20,000 posts ago. Anyway, go to look at it in a dimly lit warehouse, looking hard for cracks or welds, looked good, paid him. Went out to move my truck while they picked it up with a forklift. As they loaded it in my truck, noticed the base looked awful strange, kind of looked like the mounting ear or ears had broken off and been welded back on. Little sick to my stomach as I'm driving home thinking about it. Get home, upon closer inspection, notice the base isn't welded, it is shop made of steel, not cast iron. Loosened the lock bolt, couldn't get it to turn, figured they probably just tapped a hole for the lock bolt and called it close enough. Fought with it to roll it over, removed the center bolt, and found all the OEM Parker brake shoe parts in the base, which had filled with water at some point and rusted. Cleaned the rust out, and it works like brand new. Someone took a piece of 2" plate, cut the shape out with a torch, then machined it perfectly to work with the brake shoes and pin. Now I realize the steel base is actually stronger than the cast base. They didn't spend much time finishing off the outside where it was cut with the torch, but the machine work is first rate. Vise needs a new handle, and what it lacks in rust it makes up for in paint. Has at least 4 heavy coats on it, seems orange first, then blue, maybe green, some yellow, and then topped off with a heavy coat of gray porch paint. Could orange be the original color? Jaws show some wear, but should be fine for a user. Could use a bronze thrust washer to tighten up the screw, anybody got a source?
Thanks, Jim

So, whats your excuse for not posting any pictures?

 

[wrenchguy]

Jim,

If you feel like you are in a driving mood, True Value hardware in East Orleans should have your thrust washer Every time i end up in Orleans, i go by there to look around and it seems pretty well stocked for hardware.

If you don't want to drive that far, any local hardware or autoparts should have them.

Cost twice as much when you cross the bridge! jims probably got 1 there somewhere.

 

[Fretters]

It is definitely bigger than the 100 .... Damn it, we're almost agreeing with Balane

It'd be nice if someone with a comparable Wilton got it. I'd love to see a side by side and honest comparison of the two in relation to each other. One thing where the Wilton definitely seems to deviate from the York is with the nut. Seems cast on the Wilton, from the ones I've seen, whereas the York one is formed from steel. Wilton also has a collar whereas the York has a pin, for the leadscrew retention.

 

[bagged89s10]

Did you happen to notice if the rear nut is cast or forged with a hexagon profile? I've always been curious if there was any established timeline for when they started using a different style of nut.

It's hexagon. How do I figure out the date on mine?


Now I just need to get this nut off. Dam thing is frozen. Hopefully keeping it vertical with penetrant will help free it.

 

[Outlawmws]

I inherited these vise jaw taper attachments 25 years ago. These were my grandfathers who was a tool an die maker. Thought they would make addition to the thread. They are from Athol Machine Co and have a 1911 patent date. I still have the original box. Sizes 4 inch and 2 1/2 inch.

Very cool!

 

[Outlawmws]

Fraggles
Yes I won the Fulton, for the minimum bid as well, I also must get a 36 but they seem rare around here.

Fretters
I won a Record No2 a week ago for very little that the seller refused to ship, claiming it was damaged, I just left it as I can't be bothered to deal with those kind of people.

Ask him for pictures of the damage...

 

[Outlawmws]

Outlaw, I'm very offended by your insistence on calling that wonderful online auction house by a vile, pejorative term. It's not Eprey.

It's ePrey.

Show some respect!!