topop101
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Woa, I need one of those, date stamped same as I.
Not trying to be an ***, but maybe next time try to not round over every corner. Something from my gun days that really stands out.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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bigcaddy
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Here are the jaws inserts on mine. They have some gunk in them but it should clean out with a good tooth brushing
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ironhorsemachinery
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Auto-correct changes 'vises' to 'buses'. :-(
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drivesitfar
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Top: so did somebody open a business 25 years ago and a couple years later put all those nice bullets in a closet? they look like new. nice find and do tell or did i miss the story?
IH: you and Vintage sure know how to spiff up a vise. nice story about the Henry vises that have Made in Canada in their castings.
TJ: looks better than the last one. you are improving your skills and i hope it gets you a few more PP credits to buy another big vise.
VA: didn't i say the little ones might be the way to go?
BC: nice timing.
IH: you and Vintage sure know how to spiff up a vise. nice story about the Henry vises that have Made in Canada in their castings.
TJ: looks better than the last one. you are improving your skills and i hope it gets you a few more PP credits to buy another big vise.
VA: didn't i say the little ones might be the way to go?
BC: nice timing.
trijeff
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You may not have been trying but you sure succeeded!
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by Drivesitfar.
VA: didn't i say the little ones might be the way to go?
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Yea Drive, you sure called that shot.
VA: didn't i say the little ones might be the way to go?
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Yea Drive, you sure called that shot.
Fretters
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We'd probably all twigged what it should have said.
Auto correct is a piece of ****, so I'm sure I'm not the only one who has become accustomed to interpreting its output. "Defiantly" is one word which springs to mind. It's becoming a rarity to see "definitely" these days instead of the former. Nice looking vice btw.
Shiftless
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Currently listed on eBay
$250.95 (or offer)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SWO...608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e41c5c70
$250.95 (or offer)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SWO...608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e41c5c70
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Fretters
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I think I'd be more worried about where the post(man|woman) would be inclined to place it when it arrived, after lugging it around.
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FMC1959
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I am probably lacking the eye to fine detail, I kept looking at the before and after; which corners do you mean exactly?
Craptain
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I see the edges of jaws and anvil surface. They would originally have a crisper machined edge. No big deal to most, including myself. It is easily done when polishing.
It is still a really sharp looking vise.
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BBSkylark
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Just got this guy
bagged89s10
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bagged89s10
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So I realized both my Parker 974 don't have the 1930 date on the side. Does that mean they are older than 1930?
va.grouseman
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Shiftless
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I'm sorry if you can't take a bit of constructive criticism to help your adventures. Just my opinion, if you don't like it, don't be bothered by it.
When you polish a softly rounded over surface that was otherwise square it heightens the surface irregularities.
Notice the differences in the anvil corners and overall surface reflection, the was penned ends on the swivel handle and the now radiused chamfer on the swivel lock top. The jaws have the same rounded appearance across their tops and now have a gap between the jaws and the jaw tower reference surfaces. When you polish a surface that isn't flat it shows drastically all the surface irregularities. That certainty isn't the only example. To me and many, it just screams sloppy. A few pages back JoeStripper? I think did the same work up on a larger vise with the same issues.
Again just my 2¢. If you don't like it don't be bothered by it. As someone that has seen otherwise nice firearms destroyed by this method of restoration, it just stands out to me when I see it done to any initially machine surface.
FMC1959
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I'm sorry if you can't take a bit of constructive criticism to help your adventures. Just my opinion, if you don't like it, don't be bothered by it.
When you polish a softly rounded over surface that was otherwise square it heightens the surface irregularities.
Notice the differences in the anvil corners and overall surface reflection, the was penned ends on the swivel handle and the now radiused chamfer on the swivel lock top. The jaws have the same rounded appearance across their tops and now have a gap between the jaws and the jaw tower reference surfaces. When you polish a surface that isn't flat it shows drastically all the surface irregularities. That certainty isn't the only example. To me and many, it just screams sloppy. A few pages back JoeStripper? I think did the same work up on a larger vise with the same issues.
Again just my 2¢. If you don't like it don't be bothered by it. As someone that has seen otherwise nice firearms destroyed by this method of restoration, it just stands out to me when I see it done to any initially machine surface.
Interesting, didn't really notice till you mentioned these details.
ZK, no disrespect on your opinion as you are quite knowledgeable on many topics. To me, not sure if it would bother me seeing it in person, but from looking at it in the picture, it looks like a great restoration by trijeff
t4runner
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bagged89s10
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I'm sorry if you can't take a bit of constructive criticism to help your adventures. Just my opinion, if you don't like it, don't be bothered by it.
When you polish a softly rounded over surface that was otherwise square it heightens the surface irregularities.
Notice the differences in the anvil corners and overall surface reflection, the was penned ends on the swivel handle and the now radiused chamfer on the swivel lock top. The jaws have the same rounded appearance across their tops and now have a gap between the jaws and the jaw tower reference surfaces. When you polish a surface that isn't flat it shows drastically all the surface irregularities. That certainty isn't the only example. To me and many, it just screams sloppy. A few pages back JoeStripper? I think did the same work up on a larger vise with the same issues.
Again just my 2¢. If you don't like it don't be bothered by it. As someone that has seen otherwise nice firearms destroyed by this method of restoration, it just stands out to me when I see it done to any initially machine surface.
Comparing firearms to bench vises is like comparing apples to oranges. I prefer a slight rounded or chamfer on certain edges. It's all personal preference I guess.
BBSkylark
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I will take some measurements tonight. I believe it is a 6" though.
Fretters
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Not necessarily. The point ZK made is a valid one, it's just that his tact seems to have been on holiday in the way he phrased it.
He was merely trying to advise Jeff that care needs to be applied when the likes of belt sanders and other abrasive methods are being used for things like tidying up an anvil portion or similar, as it's easy to let them run away and dome the surfaces if extreme care isn't applied. It merely came across sounding a bit pissier than it was likely intended. It is still a valid point though.With something like that Wilton, not really much of a point as it's a fairly commonplace piece, but going back to the antique gun reference, an antique or rare vice which gets that treatment can be just as gutting as a rare firearm having the same done. As you say, a lot of it is personal preference, but I know that I personally completely ignored a somewhat unusual/rare vice a few months ago simply for the fact that the seller had done similar to the anvil portion instead of leaving it be and allowing the buyer to deal with the wear as they saw fit. Burrs, dings and damage accumulated over time can be dealt with. Someone removing metal willy nilly is irreversible, however.
Anyhows, put the handbags away ladies.
I think you'll find ZK wasn't intending to be pissy Jeff, but merely trying to advise on best practice. Shiftless
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I agree with that. We are not machining new pistons for a vintage car. We are not doing fine carpentry like building inlaid jewelry boxes.
trijeff
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Not necessarily. The point ZK made is a valid one, it's just that his tact seems to have been on holiday in the way he phrased it.
With something like that Wilton, not really much of a point as it's a fairly commonplace piece, but going back to the antique gun reference, an antique or rare vice which gets that treatment can be just as gutting as a rare firearm having the same done. As you say, a lot of it is personal preference, but I know that I personally completely ignored a somewhat unusual/rare vice a few months ago simply for the fact that the seller had done similar to the anvil portion instead of leaving it be and allowing the buyer to deal with the wear as they saw fit. Burrs, dings and damage accumulated over time can be dealt with. Someone removing metal willy nilly is irreversible, however.
Anyhows, put the handbags away ladies.
Agreed to all and nice perspective. I certainly didn't want to start a firestorm here, but we are talking about a Tradesman and not the Mona Lisa. On the Prentiss 98 not one molecule of metal has been removed during restoration, nor will it. All additions to that rare vise have been done by our resident vise machining master, none other than the Rev KMScott. But the Snap On fan boys (no offense to any here) are not looking to get a banged up anvil that they can restore themselves, they want something shiny right out of the box. And if I can turn a $30 purchase into a $350+ sale then it seems like I have captured my audience correctly. I don't have a mill, surface grinder or lathe and am not going to invest in those tools or services to flip a Tradesman. But when it comes to the Mona Lisa of vises like the Prentiss 98, I employ only masters of his/her trade who do have those skills and tools at hand. Basically, as you mention above, it's not so much what was said but how it was said, especially considering it's a Tradesman. In my experience any statement that starts with "not trying to be an ***" usually means that you are. But once again, Fretters, great perspective and wording in your comments - "put the handbags away ladies" had me on the floor
Fretters
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Stop pussying out and see how many you can offend in one fell swoop. It's far more amusing.
jreb10
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Not to change the subject, but....
Just finished the refurbishment of my Craftsman 5195.
The jaws were really good underneath the filth:
Love the way they chamfered the swivel clamp into the base:
The badge shows its age:
And here is the "anvil". Scathing criticism always welcome!
Just finished the refurbishment of my Craftsman 5195.
The jaws were really good underneath the filth:
Love the way they chamfered the swivel clamp into the base:
The badge shows its age:
And here is the "anvil". Scathing criticism always welcome!
bagged89s10
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Not to change the subject, but....
Just finished the refurbishment of my Craftsman 5195.
The jaws were really good underneath the filth:
Love the way they chamfered the swivel clamp into the base:
The badge shows its age:
And here is the "anvil". Scathing criticism always welcome!
"She's a beaute Clark!"
va.grouseman
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Pop the corn fellows.---Here's the next good show to watch.---One of those got to have its.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321774610153?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321774610153?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
ShadowRuleZ
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Anyone know anything about small Prentiss vises? I just got a 2" version with a rear swivel jaw, but no model number on it anywhere. All I can find is a stamped 20 on the bottom of it. I'll try to get pictures tonight.
va.grouseman
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Nice job Jreb.---Without a doubt, that style Craftsman is the most stylish, and dresses out the sleekest of any vise.---Not to mention being solid and well made.---It's no wonder that they are so sought after.
And by the way, you did change the subject, and right when things were going so good.
And by the way, you did change the subject, and right when things were going so good.
va.grouseman
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Zoomie has a whole slew of them.---Maybe he will repost.---They are nice little vises.
Thrumcap
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At last, above 20 degrees with a vengeance.....Painting day!
And tomorrow's Saturday... Tool hunting day
Welcome to nearly summer,
Thrumcap
And tomorrow's Saturday... Tool hunting day
Welcome to nearly summer,
Thrumcap
Outlawmws
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Those are highly dangerous to use, and should be disposed of to a facility equipped to deal with them! PM me for a shipping address for such a facility!
Outlawmws
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Thrumcap
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Well, here's a fish that got away.....
Record No.34 on kijiji for $15 in Ontario....it was up for two days, when I just called someone was just there to look at it....soooold
Thrumcap
Edit: and if there's anyone in Calgary, there's two generics: an 8" Jet and an 8" ITC on Kijiji right now.
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va.grouseman
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Zoomie has a whole slew of them.---Maybe he will repost.---They are nice little vises.
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Ignore this post, see my first post on topic!
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Zoomie has a whole slew of them.---Maybe he will repost.---They are nice little vises.
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Good One.
seeing how your in detroit and just got it. is this the one you grabbed
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Pop the corn fellows.---Here's the next good show to watch.---One of those got to have its.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321774610153?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Well isn't that a super cool thingy!
drivesitfar
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TJ: great post and best of luck with that shiny green Snap on Wilton. should i say ZK meant well because i'm betting he did, but he might have been at work and just trying to make a quick post before he fixed somebody's screw up.
Fretters: well said and that's probably why i leave a lot of my vises (vices) farm fresh until i get some serious skills like you and a few others have.
JReb: i thought that was a nice Craftsman vise before you spiffed it up and how it's probably to nice to use so find a good shelf for it. i actually bought one of those Craftsman 519x series vises last year and the back up buyer want to put it above their fireplace as sort of a decoration.
VA: stirring the pot again i see and looks like an interesting vise. that one looks like it should join the chain gang or do you already own one or two of them?
Shadow: the 20 is a part # because I'm about 99% sure the Prentiss #20 are swivel jaw and 4 inch wide. nice find and i'm sure you know you found a keeper or at the worst good trading material.
ALL: so hopefully this won't mean i'm going to be buying a vise a day again for a few months, but i did find one today that got my attention. it's a Snap on 1750 with an aluminum label and in nice condition. i'm tempted to paint it Yellow since TJ seems to have bought up all the green paint.
Fretters: well said and that's probably why i leave a lot of my vises (vices) farm fresh until i get some serious skills like you and a few others have.
JReb: i thought that was a nice Craftsman vise before you spiffed it up and how it's probably to nice to use so find a good shelf for it. i actually bought one of those Craftsman 519x series vises last year and the back up buyer want to put it above their fireplace as sort of a decoration.
VA: stirring the pot again i see and looks like an interesting vise. that one looks like it should join the chain gang or do you already own one or two of them?
Shadow: the 20 is a part # because I'm about 99% sure the Prentiss #20 are swivel jaw and 4 inch wide. nice find and i'm sure you know you found a keeper or at the worst good trading material.
ALL: so hopefully this won't mean i'm going to be buying a vise a day again for a few months, but i did find one today that got my attention. it's a Snap on 1750 with an aluminum label and in nice condition. i'm tempted to paint it Yellow since TJ seems to have bought up all the green paint.
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xxaler
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At last, above 20 degrees with a vengeance.....Painting day!
And tomorrow's Saturday... Tool hunting day
Welcome to nearly summer,
Thrumcap
Is that a Record No.634 Combination vise? You mean I'm not the only one with a 634 on here?
