The VISES of Garage Journal
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Fretters
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Fretters, that ball vice is,
with all these photos you're making me regret not buying it.
Thanks again for the heads up on it, btw. Truly appreciated. Are the jaws 3" wide, hence the dynamic jaw/slide being the same as in the Handy No.1?
They're 4", if I recall correctly. The jaw width is larger than it's overall size would suggest. The basic design is very similar to the Handy, above the base portion. Same setup with the nut being part of the main casting, that little dog leg shape to the rear of the housing etc. It looks like they started from the Handy design and adapted it.
Fretters: maybe you can show her face and post a few more pictures of your Ball vise over on the 101 thread.
Will do on both counts shortly.
This may well be one of those Marmite type vices with regards to finish. I've gone on a totally different path with this one over what I'd normally do. No paint and no Linseed oil, just finished using a common item likely found in most peoples homes. You can note it vaguely in a couple of the photo's above. Even I was unsure whether it was going to work or just be a total disaster. Overall though, I personally think it's turned out quite well. It pretty much has the appearance I was aiming for.bagged89s10
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I'm curious how you will make that base work. Will you drill a home in the vise base for a lock down?
vintage nut
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I've been way too busy with work to keep up with this site lately... Hopefully be able to get back to posting regularly before too long...
The maple bench for the reed is coming along nicely, and the Morgan and rock island are continuing to earn their keep every time I'm in the shop.
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The maple bench for the reed is coming along nicely, and the Morgan and rock island are continuing to earn their keep every time I'm in the shop.
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Thrumcap
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Prineville, Oregon
Prentiss No. 21 + a Wilton bullet
http://bend.craigslist.org/gms/5192544959.html
Thrumcap
Prentiss No. 21 + a Wilton bullet
http://bend.craigslist.org/gms/5192544959.html
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va.grouseman
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Ok fellows, the little Sawyer is about to head down the road.---I've owned it twice already but she's gone too high for me.---I can't breath up that high.---So I'm stepping aside.---An hour and twenty minutes to go.---I want to see a show fellows.---I want to see some snipers in the brush.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281778395028?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281778395028?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
+ a craftsman drill press!
bagged89s10
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Ok fellows, the little Sawyer is about to head down the road.---I've owned it twice already but she's gone too high for me.---I can't breath up that high.---So I'm stepping aside.---An hour and twenty minutes to go.---I want to see a show fellows.---I want to see some snipers in the brush.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281778395028?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Haha. I just saw it at $440 before you posted.
Hemi49
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Prentiss 19 swivel jaw question:
I just bought this Prentiss 19 vise.....I want to remove the tapered pin and the jaw......While looking it over I noticed 3 holes in the swivel jaw filled with lead....Two on one side and one on the other.....I took a a drill and went exploring......The two near the jaw go in about 3/4".....The one near the tapered pin seems to intersect the pin....
What is the purpose of these holes?......I have noticed on other Prentiss vises that the hole locations are visible.....
Thanks in advance....
I just bought this Prentiss 19 vise.....I want to remove the tapered pin and the jaw......While looking it over I noticed 3 holes in the swivel jaw filled with lead....Two on one side and one on the other.....I took a a drill and went exploring......The two near the jaw go in about 3/4".....The one near the tapered pin seems to intersect the pin....
What is the purpose of these holes?......I have noticed on other Prentiss vises that the hole locations are visible.....
Thanks in advance....
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Fretters
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The Ball Base completed bar the insert screws. As I mentioned, this finish may not be everyones cup of tea.
duojet55
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Here's my Adams Diamond vise. It was my Grandfather's originally. He was a professional carpenter from around 1910 until he retired in the late '50s. My Mother remembers as a little girl in the early '30s watching Grandpa clamp his tool blades up in this vise to sharpen them. He gave it to my Father up in Connecticut back in the late '60s and we brought it down to Arkansas in 1970. It's been mounted to our workbench down at the warehouse ever since and we've gotten a lot of good use out of it.
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The vise is embossed "The Diamond Vise" on one edge of the dynamic jaw and "The Adams Co. Dubuque, IA" on the other. On top of the static jaw is embossed "Patented JAN.15:1895." On this model, the static jaw actually moves (so isn't really static!) by means of a series of teeth along the underside of the anvil deck. A spring under the static jaw keeps the jaw in place until it is depressed, then it can be moved forward or backward to lengthen the vise's throw. Unfortunately, the spring is long missing on this vise and someone had drilled and tapped holes for two hex bolts to keep the jaw in place. I plan on removing these two bolts and fabricating a replacement spring. As you can see from the pictures, the vise was originally painted green. I'm debating on whether to repaint it or simply clean it up and leave it as-is.
duojet55
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Here's another Diamond vise someone sold recently on eBay. I noticed that his has the original spindle handle. Ours does not. My Brother said he remembered our vise having one, but there's no telling why it's missing. Dad stuck an old military antenna guy stake through the spindle head to use as a handle and that's all I ever remember it having.
If you look at the bottom picture, you can see the flat spring under the static jaw. This is the part I'll need.
Btw, does anyone know how the vise spindle handles were constructed? I don't know if the knob on one end was swaged on and the other threaded, or both were threaded or what. I'd love to find a proper handle for my vise eventually.
If you look at the bottom picture, you can see the flat spring under the static jaw. This is the part I'll need.
Btw, does anyone know how the vise spindle handles were constructed? I don't know if the knob on one end was swaged on and the other threaded, or both were threaded or what. I'd love to find a proper handle for my vise eventually.
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va.grouseman
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As George Costanza would say "Now there's a show. That's a show".
There had to be a sniper on the Grassy Knoll .
$911.01.---That's some nice grouping.---That's a sniper with a mission.
There had to be a sniper on the Grassy Knoll .
$911.01.---That's some nice grouping.---That's a sniper with a mission.
sandman54
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Fretters: maybe you can show her face and post a few more pictures of your Ball vise over on the 101 thread.
Sandman: any idea how many 8 inch wide old vises you have? how about a family picture? nice work on the Holland's that i think i saw on your bench with your blue Prentiss last week.
Think I've got nine 8"s, and two 7"s. Right now they're spread over three states. I think I've got enough I-beam for all of them
I've got a few germans too.
neophyte
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There were three different bidders who went over $800.
CRSINMICH
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The Ball Base completed bar the insert screws. As I mentioned, this finish may not be everyones cup of tea.
FRETTERS: I very much like that finish! Iron grey (or gray) I'd call it. Wow! I will need to how it's done. Ball Base indeed.
As George Costanza would say "Now there's a show. That's a show".
There had to be a sniper on the Grassy Knoll .
$911.01.---That's some nice grouping.---That's a sniper with a mission.
Am I missing something as to WHY that would go for stupid $$$?
econotrk
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02superduty
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Its a great look Fretters.
KMScott
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Love your ball vice Fretters. Will it rust where you are? I like that vice better then a 2-1/2 (825/925's) Wilton on a power arm. I want one. Great job. I wish I could use the E-tanks like you guys do. I have tried 3 times and failed. I gave up, strip, wire brush, wash with lacquer thinner, wire wheel and bake. That is my way to clean vises.
Picked this up When I got the new / olde compressor think I m going to refurbish it and replace the 
with this one 
anyone interested in the lighter weight one if I decide to sell it . It has been refurbished ad painted and a new logo label will be attached .
Cypher
with this one anyone interested in the lighter weight one if I decide to sell it . It has been refurbished ad painted and a new logo label will be attached .Cypher
shiftdrift
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Finally got this back together. 67 c3 
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Finally got this back together. 67 c3
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Nice work there !!
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bagged89s10
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The Ball Base completed bar the insert screws. As I mentioned, this finish may not be everyones cup of tea.
Very nice. I like it!
What's it coated with?
FMC1959
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Very nice. I like it!
What's it coated with?
Knowing Fetters tastes, my money is on BLO (boiled linseed oil). He should be waking shortly and can let us know for sure.
CwazyWabbit
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He did say it was something different and something everyone would have around.... knowing Fretters he'll have used his cup of tea on it
CwazyWabbit
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Looking at the pictures of the eBay one and zooming in I'd say they were either pressed or swaged on, doesn't look like either end was threaded to me.
CwazyWabbit
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The Ball Base completed bar the insert screws. As I mentioned, this finish may not be everyones cup of tea.
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Looking good, surprisingly unscarred under that paint job it had. I like that finish
What angle head and what thread were the insert screws?
Fraggles
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My guess is blackening with engine oil?
timbitca
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This thread moves so fast I completely missed your question.
It's going okay. I've been busy the last bit and haven't stepped foot in the garage in the last 3 days, but prior to that I managed to get it mostly wire wheeled. A little more of that to do and it's time for primer, paint and to use it.
This one showed up on Kijiji today, interesting but it's much too far for me to go grab it and a price of "Please Contact" means he's likely asking too much for it. Looks to be in good shape.
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va.grouseman
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Man that RAE is in top notch shape from what you can see.---And 127 lbs. ain't no wimp either.---Your right Timbitca, he's probably going to want serious money for that one.---But like Outlaw says, "It never hurts to ask". 
CRSINMICH
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TIMBITCA: Just the man I wanted to speak to. Thanks to you I now own a second pipe vise and I didn't even have a use for the first one. I was rooting around an old shed at a garage sale and I came across a rusty pipe vise which I promptly ignored. When I couldn't find a proper bench vise I came back to have a closer look at the pipe vise. Lo-and-behold it's an RAE. Until you posted those pictures of your beauty I didn't know that name. Now I have two pipe vises. This one only set me back $2 US though. I just took some BEFORE pix that I'll show along with the AFTER pix whenever that is.
Fretters
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Cheers chaps. I was half expecting a look of condemnation over that finish. No tea was involved CW.
The finish is merely plain old shoe polish. More specifically, two coats of dark tan followed by a coat of black and finished with a coat of neutral. Each coat was given around half hour to one hour to harden, and then buffed with a brush and cloth. All bright & machined surfaces were given a coat of neutral.
Been meaning to try this method of finishing for a good while now, to see whether it would work or not, and this BB seemed the prime candidate. Neither burgundy nor linseed oil took my fancy for this one, (they just didn't seem appropriate in my minds eye, somehow), so decided to try for an aged look, (hence the various colours used), with the polish.
I'm in the land of eternal damp. It should hopefully be quite well protected against rust with the wax though.
The whole swivel & tilt thing being incorporated within the vice itself is nice on these. 4" jaws too. It's getting hold of these which is the surprisingly awkward part though. It's taken me around three or four years to get a hold of one. For a small vice, they do seem to be very few and far between. I let one slip a couple of years ago, and I've kicked myself many a time for doing so. I'm chuffed as punch that I've finally managed to get a hold of one. If Fraggles hadn't given me a heads up, I'd have never even seen this one.
What problem are you having when you try electrolysis? Sounds like you've been extremely unlucky with it upto just.
It is in pretty decent nick. There are nicks and dents, but fortunately the paint wasn't hiding a multitude of sins. The rust seems to have come of awfully well too. I had expected a bit more surface pitting when it was derusted. It seems to have been slightly thicker than just a surface layer, but the metal underneath seems surprisingly untouched in relation to the rust thickness.
The thread appears to be standard 3/16" BSW, but the head is a thin taper. Can't recall the angle offhand. I do have one countersink with the same angle as far as I can tell, so I'll check the angle later. The heads were completely destroyed in removing the screws, unfortunately.
I was half expecting a look of condemnation over that finish. No tea was involved CW. The finish is merely plain old shoe polish. More specifically, two coats of dark tan followed by a coat of black and finished with a coat of neutral. Each coat was given around half hour to one hour to harden, and then buffed with a brush and cloth. All bright & machined surfaces were given a coat of neutral.
Been meaning to try this method of finishing for a good while now, to see whether it would work or not, and this BB seemed the prime candidate. Neither burgundy nor linseed oil took my fancy for this one, (they just didn't seem appropriate in my minds eye, somehow), so decided to try for an aged look, (hence the various colours used), with the polish.
I'm in the land of eternal damp.
It should hopefully be quite well protected against rust with the wax though.The whole swivel & tilt thing being incorporated within the vice itself is nice on these. 4" jaws too. It's getting hold of these which is the surprisingly awkward part though. It's taken me around three or four years to get a hold of one. For a small vice, they do seem to be very few and far between. I let one slip a couple of years ago, and I've kicked myself many a time for doing so. I'm chuffed as punch that I've finally managed to get a hold of one. If Fraggles hadn't given me a heads up,
I'd have never even seen this one.What problem are you having when you try electrolysis? Sounds like you've been extremely unlucky with it upto just.
Looking good, surprisingly unscarred under that paint job it had. I like that finish
It is in pretty decent nick. There are nicks and dents, but fortunately the paint wasn't hiding a multitude of sins. The rust seems to have come of awfully well too. I had expected a bit more surface pitting when it was derusted. It seems to have been slightly thicker than just a surface layer, but the metal underneath seems surprisingly untouched in relation to the rust thickness.
The thread appears to be standard 3/16" BSW, but the head is a thin taper. Can't recall the angle offhand. I do have one countersink with the same angle as far as I can tell, so I'll check the angle later.
The heads were completely destroyed in removing the screws, unfortunately.
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CRSINMICH
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FRETTERS: Thanks for the recipe. Shoe polish, who'd a thunk it? At first I was concerned about its durability over the long term, but then I started thinking about shellac on wood. They are both easy to apply, very forgiving, and easily repaired. I think I'll try it. Oxblood polish perhaps?
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tshetter
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I picked up a Bockhaus Heuer 100mm vise not long ago:
And its pretty small compared to the HF 5" vise:
I have a longer review in another thread for anyone interested: Vise Review - Brockhaus Heuer 100mm from Jens Putzier
And its pretty small compared to the HF 5" vise:
I have a longer review in another thread for anyone interested: Vise Review - Brockhaus Heuer 100mm from Jens Putzier
McBrownie
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Hemi,
Boy this thread moves fast. I have a Prentiss 19 with the same lead filled holes. The best guess around here is that those holes were used to mount the swivel jaw in a jig for machining. Then they were filled up when the machining was done.