The VISES of Garage Journal
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drivesitfar
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Slow: i'm not certain which brand your vices are either, but i'm guessing they could be Parkinsons. When the guys across the pond (England and Europe) check in they might have a better idea because they might own similar ones.
here's a thread in case you didn't think Mark's warning was serious.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307020&highlight=vises+poll
you might have just checked into the Mental Ward asking about a couple vises. some of us have just a few more. granted we only need a few, but when has NEED ever stopped us from buying a cool old tool that was at a good price. it's a helluva lot more interesting looking at 100 year old tools than a pile of cash in the bank as long as we can still eat well.
CAD: probably Chinese or it could be Taiwan, but even though one of the most popular vises on the planet it's not worth much.
here's a thread in case you didn't think Mark's warning was serious.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307020&highlight=vises+poll
you might have just checked into the Mental Ward asking about a couple vises. some of us have just a few more. granted we only need a few, but when has NEED ever stopped us from buying a cool old tool that was at a good price. it's a helluva lot more interesting looking at 100 year old tools than a pile of cash in the bank as long as we can still eat well.
CAD: probably Chinese or it could be Taiwan, but even though one of the most popular vises on the planet it's not worth much.
Loydski29
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Picked up this Wilton yesterday for 30 bucks! This is my first Wilton and luckily it's seems to be in really good shape.
drivesitfar
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Loyd: looks like you found a keeper and for not much money too. if you pull out the dynamic and see or don't see a date can you post it up on the Wilton date stamp thread over in Vintage. WELL DONE
Mark in Indiana
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Thanks for the messages of welcome.
Mark: 20 vices? Stop me if I ever approach that number as surely it would qualify me for a mental health assessment?
It would qualify to be a GJer with 20+ vises.
I wish I could get 20 old iron vises from down under. I really like the styles that you guys have.
Outlawmws
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Thanks for the messages of welcome.
Mark: 20 vices? Stop me if I ever approach that number as surely it would qualify me for a mental health assessment?
Well, welcome to the nut case ward! 
Outlawmws
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Can anyone ID this vise?
Is it valuable or a repop?
Ive been watching this for a while to go alongside my Record.
Thanks!
Do you have any other pics? I suspect its made in Asia, but it doesn't have the tel tail chrome on it... (But some don't...)
va.grouseman
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Originally posted by Cad70.
Can anyone ID this vise?
Is it valuable or a repop?
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It looks to be in pretty good condition, and they are pretty handy vises, but are not real heavy duty tools.---You can't be brutal or they're going to bust.
It looks like China.
The main thing is, how much they're asking?---Not over $50.00 I hope.
Can anyone ID this vise?
Is it valuable or a repop?
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It looks to be in pretty good condition, and they are pretty handy vises, but are not real heavy duty tools.---You can't be brutal or they're going to bust.
It looks like China.
The main thing is, how much they're asking?---Not over $50.00 I hope.
slow_runner
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I'm real glad that my sense of humour is accepted in the same spirit.Slow: i'm not certain which brand your vices are either, but i'm guessing they could be Parkinsons. When the guys across the pond (England and Europe) check in they might have a better idea because they might own similar ones.
here's a thread in case you didn't think Mark's warning was serious.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307020&highlight=vises+poll
you might have just checked into the Mental Ward asking about a couple vises. some of us have just a few more. granted we only need a few, but when has NEED ever stopped us from buying a cool old tool that was at a good price. it's a helluva lot more interesting looking at 100 year old tools than a pile of cash in the bank as long as we can still eat well.
You are absolutely correct Drive. Reason and logic has nothing to do with collecting, its about the need, satisfaction and preserving the living history I checked out that link, looking at those numbers, this site sure has it share of crazies which makes me feel quite comfortable
Likewise to you Mark. There are some attractive and useful items over your way that I would cherish.
Outlaw, thanks a lot. It kinda feels like that chapter in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest when the inmates hijacked the bus then stole the Charter boat for a group outing. Lots of fun with like minded folk
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Shiftless
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Guys:
It doesn't take 20 vises to qualify for anything!
Too many for some, too few for others...
In case you forgot, here are the results of a recent poll I ran regarding how many we would admit to owning. Open the thumbnail if you want to be able to read it.
Loydski:
Fantastic score on that Wilton bullet. Do you plan to make that your welding vise or would you rather have a big chunky Columbian?
It doesn't take 20 vises to qualify for anything!
Too many for some, too few for others...
In case you forgot, here are the results of a recent poll I ran regarding how many we would admit to owning. Open the thumbnail if you want to be able to read it.
Loydski:
Fantastic score on that Wilton bullet. Do you plan to make that your welding vise or would you rather have a big chunky Columbian?
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Loydski29
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Shift:A big Columbian still sounds good! Not sure what I'm doing with the Wilton it will probably end up bolted to my fab table for now.
Outlawmws
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Used Asian, I'd say not over 20-25. You can get them new from HF for 70
drivesitfar
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Slow: welcome to the forum and especially the vise thread. as you keep posting your finds we'll try to keep a count of how many you have just for fun. or maybe you can post up a family photo of you vices when you have time.
i'm surprised the guys across the pond haven't said who the makers are for your vices, but i'm guessing they are busy on Sundays watching soccer or sitting watching our football games at their PUBS.
cheers
i'm surprised the guys across the pond haven't said who the makers are for your vices, but i'm guessing they are busy on Sundays watching soccer or sitting watching our football games at their PUBS.
cheers
KMScott
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Drives are you a drinking man? Some times you crack me up.
Oh man that is a sweet Paramo! I love that the original sticker is well intact.
Evergreentree
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slow_runner
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I would like that Drive, I can't quite count further than 5.
Especially when the missus asks "how many of X now?"
Soccer, the beautiful game. I love it; where aggression is kept discreet and feigning injury is an art.
Time at the pub or a beer or three sat around the BBQ are other grand sporting pursuits.
Evergreentree
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Fraggles
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slow_runner
You might have not noticed it but, the Made in England vice is a Woden.
Your first post shows the other side of the vice, with Woden cast on the dynamic jaw and Model M131 on the body.
The trapezoid anvil is a giveaway for Wodens
I'm not sure about the smaller one. If English made, it might be a Peter Wright. Fretters or CW might know.
Nice vices!
You might have not noticed it but, the Made in England vice is a Woden.
Your first post shows the other side of the vice, with Woden cast on the dynamic jaw and Model M131 on the body.
The trapezoid anvil is a giveaway for Wodens
I'm not sure about the smaller one. If English made, it might be a Peter Wright. Fretters or CW might know.
Nice vices!
slow_runner
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Hi Fraggles, sorry for the confusion. That first image was the closest example I could find on the net to show what I was purchasing.
My following post shows the actual vice. No ID, just 'Made In England' cast on.
It is so close to Woden shape; maybe a clone? Surely they were never produced without identity?
From the wear on the jaws it has done some work but that is the only indication. The rest of it is free of slop and as solid as the proverbial.
A Peter Wright you say? That would be nice for my son to know. It has some ID cast onto; I will check it out .
I have a lead onto a 3 1/4" one in green. Described as 8cm.
My following post shows the actual vice. No ID, just 'Made In England' cast on.
It is so close to Woden shape; maybe a clone? Surely they were never produced without identity?
From the wear on the jaws it has done some work but that is the only indication. The rest of it is free of slop and as solid as the proverbial.
A Peter Wright you say? That would be nice for my son to know. It has some ID cast onto; I will check it out .
I have a lead onto a 3 1/4" one in green. Described as 8cm.
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CwazyWabbit
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Hi Slow_runner could we have a picture of the other side of the Woden 'clone' ? It looks very much like a Woden M133. It's difficult to make out the casting number in the photo, can you read what it says?
Those 3 notches out of the base are also present on the Woden M series vices. There's another M131 vice (smaller obviously than yours) on eBay uk at the moment, might give you more pictures for comparison http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/woden-m131-engineers-vice-358a-/161637061155
Those 3 notches out of the base are also present on the Woden M series vices. There's another M131 vice (smaller obviously than yours) on eBay uk at the moment, might give you more pictures for comparison http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/woden-m131-engineers-vice-358a-/161637061155
CwazyWabbit
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PS slow_runner that little 2.5" vise smells American to me
jakemac
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PS slow_runner that little 2.5" vise smells American to me
What do you mean ? Cheap pissy lager and burger breath ?
CwazyWabbit
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Lol Jake
The shape of the jaw towers (can you really call them towers on a small vise?) and the slide being machined with flat top and sides are both very American to my eye. The slide especially, the only English vice I can think of with that style slide is when Record copied your designs so we could try and sell them back to you!
If it is English the bolt together static jaw/vice body would be something from the very early 1900's or late 1800's at a guess.
The shape of the jaw towers (can you really call them towers on a small vise?) and the slide being machined with flat top and sides are both very American to my eye. The slide especially, the only English vice I can think of with that style slide is when Record copied your designs so we could try and sell them back to you!
If it is English the bolt together static jaw/vice body would be something from the very early 1900's or late 1800's at a guess.
demoman
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I moved most of my loose vises into a semi trailer a few weeks ago. I sorted them by make. Here are some pics. I have better pics but could not get them uploaded. The ones on the floor are eight inchers. Real hard to take a good pic because they are double stacked.
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joe.striper
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Aargh...got the Stephens vise apart but very frustrating getting it back together. And yes i took pics but it is a tight space and can't see much. I have schematics from the original patent but mine is slightly different. Any help is appreciated. 
joe.striper
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Fraggles
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slow_runner
If there aren't any markings, perhaps it's an export model of Woden that was imported into NZ by a distributor for rebadging and sale under their brand name.
As CW says, a photo of the other side might help identifying it.
If there aren't any markings, perhaps it's an export model of Woden that was imported into NZ by a distributor for rebadging and sale under their brand name.
As CW says, a photo of the other side might help identifying it.
Outlawmws
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EGT,
Just remember that the pattern makers vises are not nearly as heavy duty as a full machinist vise. is. real easy to break one comparatively speaking.
That thing is probably a quick release. pattern makers need to hold large blocks of wood, so being able to open quickly is an advantage.
Evergreentree
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xxaler
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This Prentiss followed me home from an estate sale today. Seems to be in fairly decent shape and should clean up nicely. Also feels heavy for it's size...but may have been the half mile walk back to my truck that made it 'feel' that way.
GETRIDAONE
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Aargh...got the Stephens vise apart but very frustrating getting it back together. And yes i took pics but it is a tight space and can't see much. I have schematics from the original patent but mine is slightly different. Any help is appreciated.
I'll see if I can find the pictures when I took mine apart. I put grease on the springs to hold them in place. Two of the piece had to be put in from the inside and the one from the outside.
I think the top of the pieces were marked with two punch marks. The notched plate obviously goes in last.
Evergreentree
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I've never seen or used a pattern makers vise. This came out of a metal shop, so I assumed it's purpose was for metal. Any literature on the Athol 424 1/2 guys?
S4- I love the "font" �� on the bulldog! Way cool!
S4- I love the "font" �� on the bulldog! Way cool!
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Shiftless
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demoman:
Truly impressive! A landmark in the vise collecting landscape for sure!
Did you enter a number on that thread regarding how many vises do you own?
Truly impressive! A landmark in the vise collecting landscape for sure!
Did you enter a number on that thread regarding how many vises do you own?
joe.striper
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Great if youve got pucs, but no springs in mine. This is similar to what I have
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va.grouseman
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Demo, I like that semi trailer idea.---But then they're all in one place.---That can be lethal.
Outlawmws
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Some literature advertises them for sheet metal. Some mention pattern making or coach making. (think carriages) If yours was actually from a Sheet metal shop, that is the first time I've heard of one actually in use in a sheet metal shop, and I've been in dozens of them (Commercial/industrial shops). Several close friends retired from sheet metal unions and none of them (with extensive home shops as well) had them either.
If you look at the design, it has an extra long slide. That is for opening on large objects. Not generally used on sheet metal. but is extensively uesd for pattern making and those darn carriages...
The larger jaws are for gripping things like wood patterns without indenting the wood.
If you tried to hold something made of sheet metal (ducting?) it would crush it...
Evergreentree
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Outlaw-This came from my friends 3rd generation fab company. They also own a boiler co. They do everything from machining and fab, to 50' art sculptures. They do have a corner of their shop dedicated to wood work. The identical to my vise they use sits between their fab and wood area.
But they do have a dozen or so vises on their floor..
I assumed the very long slide told a tale, and I know nothing of pattern makers vises, or their uses. I did however clamp one of my chainsaws in it, and it was a match made in heaven. The jaw angle is perfect for filing! I've found its use for me!
Thanks for the education!
But they do have a dozen or so vises on their floor..
I assumed the very long slide told a tale, and I know nothing of pattern makers vises, or their uses. I did however clamp one of my chainsaws in it, and it was a match made in heaven. The jaw angle is perfect for filing! I've found its use for me!
Thanks for the education!
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slow_runner
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My thinking too. I went back and remedied the oversight and I will post an image of the lhs here as well
