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As evident by those images from the Keiba factory, things are still very analog, with very few automation. That's in stark contrast to, for example, a Knipex factory where automation is seen in so many of the manufacturing stages. Yes, the scale of production between two companies is totally different, but they still produce the same type of tool.
Which is better.....the state of the art manufacturing facility where robotic arms/automation takes over the human in many places of the production process, or the age old tradition of employing the skills from a team of dexterous craftspersons.

That last picture on Keiba, professional level nail clippers. Beautifully made!
However, at around $300 each and ten being made each day by the craftsman at Keiba it'll be the market that decides if these continue.
Japan has reached a crossroad with its skilled trades people. A lot of these people are elderly now and in many cases the skills will disappear because some companies didn't act earlier to train young people to take over. There's also the issue that most young people here don't want to work in a factory.

I watched a documentary about a Japanese manufatcurer of large ship propellors. It seems they are now trying to train young people in the skills of hand finishing propellors. BUT, the tradesman who is long overdue for retirement has his work cut out for him in teaching skills he learned over 50 years to his apprentice.
 

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Is this the RS3400MZ/8 set?

No, these are the 2400MZ/8 set. I do have the set you mention and that one is 3/8 drive whereas the 2400MZ/8 set is 1/4 inch drive. I'll try to post one more pic for reference.
 

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Thanks! You did a really good picture last time. The label just didn't coincide with the PDF 2015 catalogue that I could tell.
 

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superautobacs have you had any experience with the Digital Adjustable Torque Wrench from KTC like the GEK085-R4? I seem to remember a post you did with one in it? Also do you know anything about the TONE H4DT200 Torque adapter. Are they made in house? or sourced like all the others from Taiwan?


also noticed that Kieba sell a Lightool range
http://www.keiba-tool.com/cms/products/detail/143
these just rebranded Asahi?
http://www.asahi-tool.co.jp/product/lightool.html



Yes, not that particular one, but a GEK060-R3. It's a great tool that I've been using for a few years now. I use it most frequently for sparkplugs and miscellaneous engine tasks. Two things I wished it had: a higher tooth-count mechanism and an angle feature.
They have a patented "power sensor" that they use on the handle. The benefit is that the torque wrench will operate reliably regardless of where you grip the handle. For example, you could use your fingers on the end of the handle to torque a fastener and yet not affect the reading.

The torque adapter: I would suspect it's from Taiwan. I think I've seen 2 or 3 different variants in the past 6 years (various different brands). I don't know who the OEM is though.


Keiba/Asahi Lightool:
I've wondered about this myself in the past. I've never seen a Keiba Lightool in person, and I would assume they are rare. Given that Keiba is a pliers manufacturer, I would guess that they are outsourced. The DOE wrenches definitely share close resemblances between the two brands, so I would seem logical to think that it comes from Asahi. But then there's the adjustable wrench--something that Asahi doesn't produce. Perhaps TOP was the OEM?





superautobacs, I sincerely believe that the highest quality gives an expert craftsman.

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That last picture on Keiba, professional level nail clippers. Beautifully made!
However, at around $300 each and ten being made each day by the craftsman at Keiba it'll be the market that decides if these continue.
Japan has reached a crossroad with its skilled trades people. A lot of these people are elderly now and in many cases the skills will disappear because some companies didn't act earlier to train young people to take over. There's also the issue that most young people here don't want to work in a factory.

I watched a documentary about a Japanese manufatcurer of large ship propellors. It seems they are now trying to train young people in the skills of hand finishing propellors. BUT, the tradesman who is long overdue for retirement has his work cut out for him in teaching skills he learned over 50 years to his apprentice.


I agree, there's a lot at stake. Many reasons why the situation is the way it is. I believe one reason is the fact that these skilled craftsmen have not been given the recognition and respect that they deserve. The average consumer only sees the end product, but they could careless who made it. What has been missing for decades is now increasingly being featured in magazines, documentaries/TV shows. That is, showcasing and promoting the national crafts, and featuring the craftspeople that make the products. Hopefully it isnt too late and it inspires the younger generation to become craftsmen/persons of the future.
 

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Just ordered a pair of Keiba FC-108's, looking forward to seeing how they are.
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I kind of want to get a pair of "Neji-saurus RX" Pliers just because they look like they're designed to work on giant robots.
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Chevy EFI, this might show size more clearly.
To the far left is a 3/8 drive 14mm socket.
Middle is a 3/8 drive 14mm shallow Koken. 3400 series
On the right is a 1/4 drive 14mm Koken. 2400 series.
 

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We have some Japanese technicians visiting us. They carry the KTC cantilever case with a few extra bits thrown in.. not the greatest pic unfortunately!!
 

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We have some Japanese technicians visiting us. They carry the KTC cantilever case with a few extra bits thrown in.. not the greatest pic unfortunately!!


Cool. What sort of technicians?




Does anyone know what kind of warranty Engineer tools has?

Sent by an army of nefarious gnomes bent on world conquest.


Just had to look it up for myself. Nothing is stated explicitly.
 

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I'm in Tokyo for the next two days, specifically right next to Akihabara. I've already hit the electronics and tool markets, along with Keisokuki-Land for used test equipment. I'm going to try and visit Hi-Rose Technical tomorrow (tools). Any other suggestions in the Akihabara area to visit? I'd really like to find a set of offset KTC wrenches and a stubby 3/8th ratchet+spark plug socket.
 

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Try a Japanese home DIY and try to find the largest one in the city. The one I went to in Yokohama somewhere had an amazing KTC section all on pegboard. I'm pretty sure they had every single metric wrench that could be found in their catalog.
 

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2 long reach sunflag screwdrivers 300mm. One flat one phillips both with thru tang...
I love my pb swiss handles but these run a very close second
 

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I'm in Tokyo for the next two days, specifically right next to Akihabara. I've already hit the electronics and tool markets, along with Keisokuki-Land for used test equipment. I'm going to try and visit Hi-Rose Technical tomorrow (tools). Any other suggestions in the Akihabara area to visit? I'd really like to find a set of offset KTC wrenches and a stubby 3/8th ratchet+spark plug socket.

The Factory Gear shop in Tokyo is right next to Akihabara! Inquire about duty-free shopping too!
Link takes you to googlemap: https://goo.gl/maps/nzUpXEg3Eep

Although I doubt they have a good selection of KTC tools, you may enjoy looking through a Tokyu Hands store.
 

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Shoot! I did not have a chance to visit there. Looks like a great place. I did stop by a home center and purchased the following, pictured along with a few random tools picked up from the stalls/up garage.
 

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So I got my Koken ZEAL spark plug sockets in. Can't wait to try em out. One question though, for anyone who has the 20.8mm one: Is the brass insert just flat on the inside? Compared to the other three, which are bored out slightly.

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Shoot! I did not have a chance to visit there. Looks like a great place. I did stop by a home center and purchased the following, pictured along with a few random tools picked up from the stalls/up garage.

There's always a next time. :)
What kind of wrenches did you get?






So I got my Koken ZEAL spark plug sockets in. Can't wait to try em out. One question though, for anyone who has the 20.8mm one: Is the brass insert just flat on the inside? Compared to the other three, which are bored out slightly.

Spent a few minutes on google and found this photo of a 20.8mm socket for you:

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I've been using Ko-ken's 14mm 12pt sparkplug socket, but I recently "upgraded" :D to a Zeal equivalent.



Method of retension is the same (magnetic):

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but the difference is the super slim/tapered profile (**** :D)

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comparing with their brass clip type. This is a 16mm plug socket with a built-in universal joint

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Thanks, that answers that question! Up to this point I've been relying on standard deep wall sockets and crummy stamped steel pipe style OEM toolkit plug wrenches. These ZEAL sockets should make plug changes that much more enjoyable.
 

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I cannot argue with free... :) These came with our most recent wide format printer for assembling it. I was a bit surprised at the quality and to see Vessel on the phillips. The long hex wrenches are stamped <ASH> which are Asahi - those are also marked with CRV. :) The blue handles 2.5mm hex is Eight brand. I'm familiar with Vessel but Eight and Asahi are new to me. Both seem to be top quality.

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I think Eight and Asahi are pretty good brands. At the very least they are definitely not the junk you'll find in an Ikea flat pack to assemble furniture once.
 

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Thanks, that answers that question! Up to this point I've been relying on standard deep wall sockets and crummy stamped steel pipe style OEM toolkit plug wrenches. These ZEAL sockets should make plug changes that much more enjoyable.

Oh it will make your job easier and less stressful. Afterall, that's why we enjoy purchasing quality tools with user-friendly features that the budget brands don't offer. Working with good tools = less stress; greater productivity/efficiency. :thumbup:







I cannot argue with free... :) These came with our most recent wide format printer for assembling it. I was a bit surprised at the quality and to see Vessel on the phillips. The long hex wrenches are stamped <ASH> which are Asahi - those are also marked with CRV. :) The blue handles 2.5mm hex is Eight brand. I'm familiar with Vessel but Eight and Asahi are new to me. Both seem to be top quality.


Nice freebies! I think that Vessel screwdriver is the only model that has a handle made out of 100% recycled material. It's their "green"/Eco-friendly screwdriver.

Eight is a manufacturer of in-hex tools--that's their only specialty, AFAIA.

Asahi makes some decent stuff. I have as set of DBE wrenches, a Lightool ratchet (decent at best), and a set of their catcher-ball hex keys.





I think Eight and Asahi are pretty good brands. At the very least they are definitely not the junk you'll find in an Ikea flat pack to assemble furniture once.

No doubt.













Bielio,

Check out/contact Frankstools or LevelChrome. Each have online webstores.
 

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Oh it will make your job easier and less stressful. Afterall, that's why we enjoy purchasing quality tools with user-friendly features that the budget brands don't offer. Working with good tools = less stress; greater productivity/efficiency. :thumbup:

Took em for an inaugural test changing out the plugs, wires, and one coil pack on a '99 Olds Cutlass. The rear bank I had to do entirely by feel, but with the positive action of the socket clips (and help from a Koken wobble-fix extension), I was able to easily get the old plugs out and new plugs in with no struggle at all. Having never worked on this car before, I got the whole job done in a bit over an hour, taking my time and applying dielectric grease to the contacts and even carefully rerouting the wires and reusing the factory separator clips.

I call that a win. :)
 

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Anyone familiar with the Tone impact swivels?

Wondering why the shorter one (NJ40S) is cheaper, and lighter. Seems like you'd want shorter in most situations? Or does the larger one have more articulation?

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Anyone familiar with the Tone impact swivels?

Wondering why the shorter one (NJ40S) is cheaper, and lighter. Seems like you'd want shorter in most situations? Or does the larger one have more articulation?


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I'm not familiar with them, so I had to look them up. But to answer your question.... It makes sense that the shorter one is cheaper. There's less metal, which also means it's going to be lighter. They both have the same articulation of approximately 20 degrees (links to specs below). If I'd have to choose one, I'd go with the short version.



Keep in mind that the socket that you attach to it will need to be secured by a locking/retaining pin. I personally prefer a universal joint that has a sprung locking pin built-in.



Link to NJ40S specs

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Link to NJ40 specs

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Cool, thanks for the insight and link!

Been using the tonetool.co.jp catalog in PDF, limiting my ability to use Google translation.
 

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Leon67,

Just bear in mind that there are fake MTC pliers in the market. That's based on information given to me 5 years ago from them. So, buyer-beware. :)
 

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I thought I'd post a video of my local home centre hand tool area.
Excuse the speed, limited narration and awful Muzak.


 

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Anyone have experience with the difference between japan made, say for instance; wrench sets, and chinese made?
 
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