The VISES of Garage Journal
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joe.striper
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NYPD - buy the damned thing. If you don't want it I will buy it from you. I live in MA and travel to PA and Jersey all the time. I assume you are down there somewhere. This is pretty cool. I love stuff like this. I have some old Parker stuff (Civil war period) similar to this but much earlier. This is like an old school Wilton Pow-R-Arm.
Feel free to PM me or email me directly...
joe.striper
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HEY, NO ADVICE FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY!!!!
NYPD, I have found that if I resize or crop my pics before posting them they come out right. Don't ask me why but it seems to work in every case...
joe.striper
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In my best Obie Wan Star Wars voice I'd say "Pay no attention to this vise, it is of no value to you. Move it down the road". I have never seen one before. Wicked cool as we'd say in Boston! I am sure the researchers on this board are already feverishly digging around.... Any markings on the base? Don't assume is is made by the same company as the vise either. I've made that error many times
va.grouseman
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NYPD, can't make out the logo on the side of the vise, but the collar puts me in mind of a Simplex or a Charles Parker.---Really nice set-up.---Makes a double swiveling B-----d out of a stationary B-----d.
Is the base bolted to something substantial? If not, I'd try that first (without the swivel base). If not the whole thing is going to move when you try using the mallet and punch, and movement kills any chance of separating the halves.
The next step is to take the collar off the front that secures the main screw, remove the main screw, then use a dowel to pop the dust cover off the back. At that point put the whole thing in a bucket/barrel/etc full of diesel fuel for at least a couple of days and let it soak. There's a really good chance that's all it will take.
If there's a gap between the jaws using a pry bar between the jaws...but don't overdo it....just rock back and forth a little, and use something to protect the jaws like a piece of wood or sheet metal.
There's a vise repair thread worth checking, and posting the problem as well:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830
Agreed the vise is a simplex for sure and the extra base would appear to me to be the right shape size and color to be a simplex produced add on but that's just my opinion.NYPD, can't make out the logo on the side of the vise, but the collar puts me in mind of a Simplex or a Charles Parker.---Really nice set-up.---Makes a double swiveling B-----d out of a stationary B-----d.
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va.grouseman
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Balls in hand, a picture of contentment.---Actually these are going on my Hollands #28 when I get started on it.---Got these off EBay at a good price.---They are 1 3/4'' around.---They are cast iron, I like the harder steel balls but just don't have the where-with-all to bore holes in them.---Some of those materials go to 60-70 Rockwell.---Might could core drill one with a diamond coated hollow core bit but still probably couldn't thread it.---And since I'm only interested in the aesthetics where the 28 is concerned, these cast balls will drill and work just fine.---I bought a lot of 6, 2'' cast balls off EBay a year ago and just a 1/4'' more looked too big and gaudy.
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drivesitfar
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Schor: sorry i missed posting after reading your post. first off i WOULD NOT HAMMER OR PUT A WILTON BULLET IN A PRESS even though a few guys have had some success. Gman's solution with an Ebath or maybe soaking it in vinegar, diesel or even molasses is another good solution.
post up some pictures over on the Vise Repair 101 thread and you might get quicker answers to your questions. good luck and hopefully a fairly easy fix.
VA: so that's what your balls look like?? good choice on not wanting to try to drill holes in that old hard steel and we were just talking about balls on the 101 thread if you might need another option if you can't drill into those.
JOE: how's that 8 incher coming along? i'm betting you aren't carrying that beasty all over the shop in one piece too often or at all unless on your cart. let NYPD keep his gem cause you have more than most even though it is pretty damn cool. so you don't want to buy my 4 inch COLUMBIAN or trade me something for it??
post up some pictures over on the Vise Repair 101 thread and you might get quicker answers to your questions. good luck and hopefully a fairly easy fix.
VA: so that's what your balls look like?? good choice on not wanting to try to drill holes in that old hard steel and we were just talking about balls on the 101 thread if you might need another option if you can't drill into those.
JOE: how's that 8 incher coming along? i'm betting you aren't carrying that beasty all over the shop in one piece too often or at all unless on your cart. let NYPD keep his gem cause you have more than most even though it is pretty damn cool. so you don't want to buy my 4 inch COLUMBIAN or trade me something for it??
I can't believe nobody has posted this....looks like it's time for your first cannon build. Heck, you've already got the ammo, so you pretty much don't have a choice at this point
Mark in Indiana
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VISE ALERT! 
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/5783466379.html
Looks like a project, but not too far gone. Seller needs to learn his vise terminology. It's actually a Reed 403 1/2R. I'd go after it myself but I don't have the time. I hope a GJer gets it.
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/5783466379.html
Looks like a project, but not too far gone. Seller needs to learn his vise terminology. It's actually a Reed 403 1/2R. I'd go after it myself but I don't have the time. I hope a GJer gets it.
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ganymede
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VISE ALERT!
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/5783466379.html
Looks like a project, but not too far gone. Seller needs to learn his vise terminology. It's actually a Reed 403 1/2R. I'd go after it myself but I don't have the time. I hope a GJer gets it.
It's cheap enough but looks like one of the jaws may have broken off and had a piece of sheet metal welded in its place too. Can't tel.
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bagged89s10
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Finished this Wilton woodworkers' vise for a customer. Not my favorite restoration but came out pretty good. It was pretty rough cosmetically. The aluminum handle was chewed up so I made a new one out of 7/8 solid aluminum. I also made a press fit pin to hold on the rear piece. Originally, I think these vises came with a cotter pin. The pin was missing so I decided to make a cleaner solution. This vise isn't perfect but my customer wanted a Wilton woodworkers' vise to match his Parker 974 I restored for him.
trijeff
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That's called making a Ferrari out of a Pinto, Bagged ... NICE WORK!
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454ragtop
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I'll bet that is shop made by a machinist. Too much leverage with that large a vise to be OEM, IMHO.
bagged89s10
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Thanks man. The only thing I wish came out better was the handle. I couldn't get the handle as scratch free as the steel vise handles. I guess I'm not used to sanding softer aluminum.
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KMScott
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Bags, that came out nice. I remember the Parker too. Of course posting a pic of the 974 would be nice too. Great job.
Wow...pictures 3 and 4 seem to show another vise just like it partially lying under the trailer!
trijeff
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It's not an 8"er, but it is a big boy! Hollands 17 with a bit of a "why did you do that?" on the dynamic jaw. But not bad overall. Been up for a bit, seller states price is firm but if you're close it might be worth a looksee.
http://reading.craigslist.org/tls/5755916295.html
http://reading.craigslist.org/tls/5755916295.html
bagged89s10
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schor
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Thanks for the tips. I already pulled everything apart, screw is out etc. I did soak it in evaporust, now trying spraying release-all.
I will bolt it down next time I try to drive it out. And I will check out the other thread.
Thanks.
Thanks Kevin. This was the Parker I finished for him last year.
Best looking jaws I have ever seen. That is awesome, nice work!!
trijeff
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Question to the Record/similar quick release owners: when not in use, do you keep the QR engaged (can move dynamic) or disengaged (can't move dynamic)? And why do you keep it that way?
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drivesitfar
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TJ: when i had my other Record quick release on a bench i'd keep it engaged when not in use probably because it would be solid in the rare case i fell against it. it's easy to dis engage so maybe not a great reason, but also if you have kids around leaving it dis engaged might cause a smashed finger or arm cause kids do the strangest things.
Bagged: did you shine those jaws by hand just using different grits of sandpaper or emory cloth? I think you mentioned before, but i'm sure some of the new members would like to know as i would to refresh my memory. thanks
Bagged: did you shine those jaws by hand just using different grits of sandpaper or emory cloth? I think you mentioned before, but i'm sure some of the new members would like to know as i would to refresh my memory. thanks
Wow...those jaws are awesome! I need to steal your technique for the 975 jaws I'm getting ready to start on
IHmachinery
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Finished this Wilton woodworkers' vise for a customer. Not my favorite restoration but came out pretty good. It was pretty rough cosmetically. The aluminum handle was chewed up so I made a new one out of 7/8 solid aluminum. I also made a press fit pin to hold on the rear piece. Originally, I think these vises came with a cotter pin. The pin was missing so I decided to make a cleaner solution. This vise isn't perfect but my customer wanted a Wilton woodworkers' vise to match his Parker 974 I restored for him.
Looks very nice!
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Bart, I found a 106R at an estate sale for you!
Imagine my excitement when I saw this in the preview photos of an upcoming distant, but not too far, estate sale.
But then, there was this.
I'm told what's left of the jaws are about 4.5" but I'd guess it's 4" or less. The left side has also been whacked. It sorta looks like there is some weld built up on that dynamic cut side face, and maybe on the static side. Could be to retain the jaw faces, which might be compromised after this much hacking. Looks like the very deep center notch may have been for some sort of special work holding.
I suppose what's left of the jaws would still be usable as a vise, but it would piss me off quite a bit each time I looked at it. That vise is for someone more forgiving. I'm guessing it will be over-priced - or at least not worth the risk of the drive.
Imagine my excitement when I saw this in the preview photos of an upcoming distant, but not too far, estate sale.
But then, there was this.
I'm told what's left of the jaws are about 4.5" but I'd guess it's 4" or less. The left side has also been whacked. It sorta looks like there is some weld built up on that dynamic cut side face, and maybe on the static side. Could be to retain the jaw faces, which might be compromised after this much hacking. Looks like the very deep center notch may have been for some sort of special work holding.
I suppose what's left of the jaws would still be usable as a vise, but it would piss me off quite a bit each time I looked at it. That vise is for someone more forgiving. I'm guessing it will be over-priced - or at least not worth the risk of the drive.
dutchgray
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The lever type spring back on their own (don't know about the later Record handle only type, never seen one) so the dynamic will normally be locked, it may not lock with out a slight nudge to line everything up.
Oh man, that just hurts to look at!
trijeff
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Good point, Dutch ... I am talking about the later, handle activated QRs. If you turn the handle 1/2 turn left it activates the QR and the dynamic remains freely moveable until the handle is turned to the right.
scooternut
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Just trying to help you un-see that 106 Bart. Heaviest 4 inch vise anywhere!
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i picked up this wilton bullet yesterday(gaur exp 6-30-62)
i knew it was ruff(it was night time) but the price was right. when i got it home it was rougher than i thought. oh, well.
the swivel part of the base is broke/cracked in 3 places.
since i already have a nice complete one i wont worry or waste time fixing this one up.
i'll just weld it to a pedestal so i can move it around....just kidding. i'll bolt it to a pedestal
if someone is missing or has a broken base PM me. i'm sure we can work something out. i'm easy
i knew it was ruff(it was night time) but the price was right. when i got it home it was rougher than i thought. oh, well.
the swivel part of the base is broke/cracked in 3 places.
since i already have a nice complete one i wont worry or waste time fixing this one up.
i'll just weld it to a pedestal so i can move it around....just kidding. i'll bolt it to a pedestal
if someone is missing or has a broken base PM me. i'm sure we can work something out. i'm easy
dutchgray
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Like I said, haven't ever seen one of those, you'd think they would be around because Record's are everywhere, I don't think they managed to sell many here.
drivesitfar
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BEAT: thanks for posting it all apart cause i'm sure I (we) will need that shot at some point. sorry to hear you found the inside of the swivel busted up. it seems to be a week point that hopefully Wilton solved as more and more of them were broken especially on the big ones.
thanks for posting up the date stamp and you are welcome to post it over on the Wilton date stamp thread too that has over 200 vises on it already. here's the link for you and others that have a Wilton Bullet made prior to 1965 so we can maybe keep solving the mystery about why they stamped them the way they did. thanks everybody that has already posted on there and those that will take the time to in the future. also a good excuse to clean and re grease your vise while you have i apart.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269079
thanks for posting up the date stamp and you are welcome to post it over on the Wilton date stamp thread too that has over 200 vises on it already. here's the link for you and others that have a Wilton Bullet made prior to 1965 so we can maybe keep solving the mystery about why they stamped them the way they did. thanks everybody that has already posted on there and those that will take the time to in the future. also a good excuse to clean and re grease your vise while you have i apart.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269079
Blue Frog
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Is this an elusive York vise? I've never seen one personally but have the opportunity to get this one.
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It's a lot nicer that shown in the original picture. I picked it up today, wiped it off, and took pictures.
Some of the original decal is present, and the jaws are in nice condition.
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