Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack

[lazer50]

For the guys that even consider a harbor freight purchase.why dont you look at the norco 3.5 ton you can get one for right at 300 and according to everything Ive read on jacks.if you cant afford a milwaukee and your buying a jack to use on a regular basis to depend on.not worrying about seals this and that.thats what norco does they specialize in jacks.i dont mean reviews from hf buyers of course they're going to normally be ok.i went sites where they test and recommend the best jacks! They were essentially the same across the board hein werner assembled in usa @ around 460then norco.then the china made were a toss up as the failure rates are higher,product support,customer service etc.

 

[Loscaldazar]

Ok.. That's definitely not how your post read, but it doesn't matter.

@Pipe Add sand, 4 of your biggest friends, the Jacks safety overload will let you know when your getting close to 2 ton.

It should be able to lift 3 tons, shouldn't it? If it meets ANSI or ASME PALD standards, they have to demonstrate that they can lift 150% of their rated capacity, so how would that work with the safety bypass? Would the bypass then be set at 3 tons, or do they remove the safety for testing to make sure that it can support the 150% of rated capacity? Or is this jack not certified under either standard?

The HF is rated at the 2009 ASME PALD standards which means it passed the test at lifting 4.5 tons without failure.

EDIT: Interestingly enough, all of HFs other jacks (didn't check everyone, but checked quite a few) are all rated under the 2005 ASME PALD standards, which only require 125% of advertised capacity.

 

[Hiball]

It should be able to lift 3 tons, shouldn't it? If it meets ANSI or ASME PALD standards, they have to demonstrate that they can lift 150% of their rated capacity, so how would that work with the safety bypass? Would the bypass then be set at 3 tons, or do they remove the safety for testing to make sure that it can support the 150% of rated capacity? Or is this jack not certified under either standard?

The HF is rated at the 2009 ASME PALD standards which means it passed the test at lifting 4.5 tons without failure.

EDIT: Interestingly enough, all of HFs other jacks (didn't check everyone, but checked quite a few) are all rated under the 2005 ASME PALD standards, which only require 125% of advertised capacity.

IME I've found that the majority of Manufacturers either utilize 10-25% in regards to setting the overload, Those are Hard numbers, based off my personal test stand over the years. Its completely feasible that current standards reference the Max capabilities of the Hydraulic and Hardware and then safety'd down for liability reasons.

 

[Pipe]

Maybe that's where quality control between snap on and harbor freight will be a difference over years of service.

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[90zcar]

I used my Daytona today...it worked


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[PoorOwner]

I used my Daytona today...it worked


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How is the control when lowering the load?

Is it a nervous adjustment or more of a luxurious feel?

 

[md21722]

What I did in my situation was buy the minimum jack capacity that would lift the heaviest load I anticipated lifting. I have a Ram 3500 Mega Cab short bed truck with a Cummins engine. The truck is lifted, has 37" tires, a winch bumper, and a Warn 16.5K winch with 1/2" winch cable on it. The extras on the truck add a fair amount of weight, which brings the trucks weight up to right about 8000 lbs. I figured that most of the weight is on the front end, so say 6000 lbs give or take. That means the minimum jack I can get away with is a 3 ton jack. I probably should have got a 4 ton jack to be on the safe side, but there is less selection in that size, they cost more, and they are a fair amount heavier. Then you're left with either a jack that is big and heavy to move around for the smaller jobs, or buying two jacks and cluttering up the garage more than you need to.

I used to use 2 jacks on my Cummins. I didn't like the way the single jack creaked even though it was technically rated for it. I find having 2 jacks to be pretty helpful. I have one in the front of the shop and one in the rear.

 

[90zcar]

Well I put my first major boo in the jack today. The rear bumper support came down on the jack handle and tore the cushy pad up. Oh well I just cut the bad section off



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[Art From De Leon]

Went thru my KRA 59C and my KRSC46 service cart over the last couple of days and sorted thru a lot of my duplicate wrench sets, screw drivers, socket sets, and unused/unopened kits, and will talk to my dealer to see if a trade can be worked out for one of the 3-ton Snap on jacks to replace my 2 1/2 ton Omega.

 

[3TV]

Just got this today, and spent a few minutes lifting various things in the garage (ATV, UTV, pickup truck). I really like this jack, and it seems to be much higher quality than jacks I have had in the past. My first floor jack was a 3 ton harbor freight jack from 15 years ago. It worked well, but had started wearing out in the last year or so, and required about 30 pumps to reach its contact point, and just as many pumps to lift something, but it didn't bleed down and lose height. I replaced it with a hybrid (part steel and part aluminum) Pro Zone 3 ton floor jack. I read as many on line reviews as I could, which was before finding this forum, and it seemed like the Arcan and Pro Zone jacks were the highest rated. The Pro Zone jack is really poor quality if you ask me. Sure it is light weight, but it wasn't built straight, and sitting on a flat level concrete floor it has one front wheel 3/8" off the ground, and it will wobble back and forth depending on whether there is weight on it or not. When you push it across the floor one front wheel will turn for about three feet, then catch and skid for six inches, then turn again for another three feet, then catch and skid again. I was so unimpressed with the jack that I started looking for another jack, and found this forum at about the same time. After reading this thread I bought the Daytona jack. Quality is much better than either of my prior jacks. It rolls like it is on ball bearings, and just glides across the floor smoothly and effortlessly. I'm happy with it, and would certainly recommend it.

 

[jeep450]

snap on is going after harbor freight over the jack

https://www.biztimes.com/2016/09/22/snap-on-suing-harbor-freight-over-floor-jacks/

 

[90zcar]

You got 15 years out of an old harbor freight jack......that is awesome. The quality value ratio there is great if u ask me

Enjoy your new Daytona.


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[AA/FC]

snap on is going after harbor freight over the jack

https://www.biztimes.com/2016/09/22/snap-on-suing-harbor-freight-over-floor-jacks/

That story originally broke in this thread 8-10 pages back. (give or take)

 

[PoorOwner]

Around the Bay Area they cannot keep it in stock. All sold out and they get 1 in at a time.

Tried the demo one and it seems quite nice, the turning of the handle was not too smooth on the demo one. But the quick raise feature is amazing even though I have other jacks that has this feature, this one goes fast.

$180 3 year warranty. Does anyone know if you would go back and warranty with the receipt? Most HF tool have days of warranty and they try to sell you a plan

 

[ilovevocs]

Around the Bay Area they cannot keep it in stock. All sold out and they get 1 in at a time.

Tried the demo one and it seems quite nice, the turning of the handle was not too smooth on the demo one. But the quick raise feature is amazing even though I have other jacks that has this feature, this one goes fast.

$180 3 year warranty. Does anyone know if you would go back and warranty with the receipt? Most HF tool have days of warranty and they try to sell you a plan

My HF requires receipt for all warranty exchanges. From what I have read around the forums that seems to be SOP.


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[90zcar]

I took my receipt and photocopied it. Most receipts now days don't last more than a year. That's why u photocopy it and file it away


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[pedrodagr8]

OneNote or Evernote would be good for saving receipt images and organizing them.

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[90zcar]

A folder does just fine for me. Put it right in the owners manual and put it away.


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[Hiball]

Last time I bought something at HF, I had a copy of my receipt in my email when I got home.

 

[PoorOwner]

Do you have to put in Jack oil in this Jack or is it ready to use out of the box?

 

[pedrodagr8]

A folder does just fine for me. Put it right in the owners manual and put it away.


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Newer thermoprint register tape doesn't last that long. You will pull it out of the and find a yellowish black piece of paper. I've had it happen in as short as 6 months with a receipt in a drawer untouched. Usually it fades in a couple years time.

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[General Geoff]

Do you have to put in Jack oil in this Jack or is it ready to use out of the box?

mine came pre-oiled.

 

[General Geoff]

Newer thermoprint register tape doesn't last that long. You will pull it out of the and find a yellowish black piece of paper. I've had it happen in as short as 6 months with a receipt in a drawer untouched. Usually it fades in a couple years time.

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That's why he mentioned that he photocopies receipts.

 

[pedrodagr8]

That's why he mentioned that he photocopies receipts.

Doh, completely missed that part.

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[CutterFarms]

For all the info you have to give them to just check out, you would think that they would have all that info right in front of them.

 

[90zcar]

U only give them your phone number. That's how they keep you in the system so you get those sweet monthly advertisements in the mail that never change but yet you sit and look through it for over an hour.....every month lol


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[PoorOwner]

I managed to purchase one of these jacks, they only have 1 or 2 in selected stores at a time in my area.

Here is my thoughts on it:

I cut open the box and the jack rolls out. It is perfectly packaged.

the bolts are chrome like.

The casters have a bit of convex to it and it rolls and steers easily, unlike my old jack while I have to kick and scoot it. In addition, the caster rotates like a greased bearing wheel.


Fit and finish is great. I tried to find something off with it but couldn't, even the decals are perfectly applied. I believe it is powercoated and is much preferred over red paint.

Zerk fittings and red grease oozing out of some joints. Seems like red and tacky.

The welds are really smooth, everywhere, not a slag is found, this is what I like most about it. Not your typical flux core welded jack / jackstand quality.

The jack has an aerodynamic look to it. It looks good.

It seems like it would fit under a tool box that has 8" clearance using the shipping hook it comes with, but I have to check.

It comes with 3 year warranty and after all consideration is a good purchase.

 

[Colin Len]

^I looked at one last night as well - very nice looking piece, appears much higher quality than any of their other jacks. I too noticed the convex wheels, very nice touch. The other jack I mentioned earlier in the thread looks large compared to the Daytona (It's longer and wider but has the same max height). Side by side the Daytona is the winner hands down - I just wish:
- it wasn't yellow
- it had a lower minimum height
- had a foot pedal to quickly lift the jack pad when unloaded

I'm torn between the two as for my situation each have their pros/cons and there's no clear winner. I think I'll keep using my aluminum one for the time being until it absolutely needs to be replaced. Perhaps at that point they'll have combined all the best features into one

 

[Coach James]

U only give them your phone number. That's how they keep you in the system so you get those sweet monthly advertisements in the mail that never change but yet you sit and look through it for over an hour.....every month lol


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HAHA! That's the truth. I always look forward to getting a HF monthly "sale" flyer in email or snail mail. I should have them memorized by now.

Coach

 

[Fcvapor05]

They're nowhere even close to identical. Not sure why anyone thinks they're made by the same company.

How many hydraulic jack manufacturing plants do you think there are in the world?

Here's a hint: not very many.

 

[Burgerkong]

Went out to HF today and took some measurements as well as felt out the Jack. It is solid, weld are super nice as well.

 

[MN_Runner]

I managed to purchase one of these jacks, they only have 1 or 2 in selected stores at a time in my area.

Here is my thoughts on it:

I cut open the box and the jack rolls out. It is perfectly packaged.

the bolts are chrome like.

The casters have a bit of convex to it and it rolls and steers easily, unlike my old jack while I have to kick and scoot it. In addition, the caster rotates like a greased bearing wheel.


Fit and finish is great. I tried to find something off with it but couldn't, even the decals are perfectly applied. I believe it is powercoated and is much preferred over red paint.

Zerk fittings and red grease oozing out of some joints. Seems like red and tacky.

The welds are really smooth, everywhere, not a slag is found, this is what I like most about it. Not your typical flux core welded jack / jackstand quality.

The jack has an aerodynamic look to it. It looks good.

It seems like it would fit under a tool box that has 8" clearance using the shipping hook it comes with, but I have to check.

It comes with 3 year warranty and after all consideration is a good purchase.

HF Daytona looks really good and price seems reasonable too. a 3 Ton Arcan from Costco is only $99 (http://www.costco.com/3-Ton-Profess...And-Steel-Service-Jack.product.100222458.html). Although I bought a brand new Snap On FJ200 for $275, I don't think it is three times better than Arcan from Costco. There is no way I would pay over $400 for Snap On FJ200 or FJ300 when a HF Daytona can be had for less than $200. The quality looks really good and I could see why Snap On would be concerned. Snap On needs to be realistic about what they are asking for when other manufacturers are only asking one third of Snap On's price.

 

[MikeF2316]

Went out to HF today and took some measurements as well as felt out the Jack. It is solid, weld are super nice as well.

Hey, where's the local Harbor Freight?

 

[abvw]

Hey, where's the local Harbor Freight?

Probably at Buffalo lol.

 

[Burgerkong]

Probably at Buffalo lol.

Rochester lol, W Henrietta.

 

[jeffsmystic]

Need to go get one.


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[WhiffySpark]

HF Daytona looks really good and price seems reasonable too. a 3 Ton Arcan from Costco is only $99 (http://www.costco.com/3-Ton-Profess...And-Steel-Service-Jack.product.100222458.html). Although I bought a brand new Snap On FJ200 for $275, I don't think it is three times better than Arcan from Costco. There is no way I would pay over $400 for Snap On FJ200 or FJ300 when a HF Daytona can be had for less than $200. The quality looks really good and I could see why Snap On would be concerned. Snap On needs to be realistic about what they are asking for when other manufacturers are only asking one third of Snap On's price.

That doesn't stop anyone from buying snapon. Never had and never will

 

[Tkevan]

When you're getting SO, MATCO, or Cornwell quality tools, that's one thing. When you're getting offshore stuff with a red paint job and shinny stickers, that's something else. Do you really think SO bothered with anything on their jacks, minus the looks? If so, the patent wouldn't be for cosmetics, it'd be for function. But, yes, folks will always pay more for a paint job and stickers and the perceived benefit.

 

[L.Cheapo]

When you're getting SO, MATCO, or Cornwell quality tools, that's one thing. When you're getting offshore stuff with a red paint job and shinny stickers, that's something else. Do you really think SO bothered with anything on their jacks, minus the looks? If so, the patent wouldn't be for cosmetics, it'd be for function. But, yes, folks will always pay more for a paint job and stickers and the perceived benefit.

Its almost worth the premium to not have to go into a HF store and smell the smell.

 

[ADSR]

Went out to HF today and took some measurements as well as felt out the Jack. It is solid, weld are super nice as well.

I take it you're close to the border?