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My current daily user is an 84T Craftsman ratchet which works"ok" but the reverse lever always seems to stick and kick over into the wrong direction. Ive been wanting to upgrade from my 3/8 Cman ratchet but it seems that every good high end fine tooth ratchet brand doesn't have a quick release button which I like. Any reason why the high end fine tooth name brand ratchets dont have a quick release button? My ratchet pic below.
 
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I've kinda wondered this, too.

I know it's personal preference but sometimes my preference is, say, to hit the button and let a conglomeration of extensions plus socket stay in a deep hole after I've broken the fastener free (essentially then using the extensions as a nut driver), INSTEAD OF having to involve both greasy hands and forcefully try to tug the extensions off the ratchet.

Then again I'm usually in the minority.....
 

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I have looked, and I didn't see any SO ratchets with fine teeth that had the quick release button.

May want to look again.

3/8" Drive Dual 80® Technology Standard Handle Quick-Release Ratchet
Item: FR80

Quick-release has a positive locking feature to hold socket/accessory securely in place when needed and push button for easy removal even with greasy or oily hands

• 80-tooth gear


1/2" Drive Standard Handle Quick-Release Ratchet
Item: SR80A

80 tooth gear for 4.5° of swing arc

• Quick-release has a positive locking feature to hold socket securely in place when needed and push button for easy removal


My current daily user is an 84T Craftsman ratchet which works"ok" but the reverse lever always seems to stick and kick over into the wrong direction. Ive been wanting to upgrade from my 3/8 Cman ratchet but it seems that every good high end fine tooth ratchet brand doesn't have a quick release button which I like. Any reason why the high end fine tooth name brand ratchets dont have a quick release button? My ratchet pic below.
 
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You guys are right. I don't see how I looked over the SO Fr80. Thank you very much!

IGN----- I completely agree with you. I like my button. I have a hard time ripping sockets off with oily hands on ratchets that dont have a button.
 
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Is SO the only brand that has the button in a fine tooth then? How about Mac or Cornwell?
 

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Quick release buttons make the whole thing weaker. The most common failure point on ratchets in this day is twisting off the anvil. Drilling a hole down through the center of the anvil weakens it somewhat.
 
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Quick release buttons make the whole thing weaker. The most common failure point on ratchets in this day is twisting off the anvil. Drilling a hole down through the center of the anvil weakens it somewhat.

Ive never had a ratchet fail because of the quick release button.

Looks like the SO FR80 is the best choice for me. Cornwell and Mac don't seem to offer alot.:thumbup:
 
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I've hit those buttons before when I didn't intend to, and lost my sockets / extensions. It's great that you got lined up with what you were looking for though!
 

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it also seems to make them a bit thicker and the name of the game lately has been low profile
 

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OP have you opened up your Cman and tried to just lube it or figure out why it's self-reversing?

I have to wonder if you're throwing the baby out w the bath water.

If you can get your hands on the old US 60T low profile versions that might also be a consideration. Some here have argued that 60T is the approximate threshold for the point of diminishing returns in a ratchet. I tend to agree.

Then again I'm usually in the minority.....
 

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quite an interesting question, as ease of manufacture and cost wouldn't come into it, maybe for strength? though I have never sheared the drive square off of a ratchet, usually the mechanism will skip or break a tooth first...


I do like q/r ratchets, but only ones i have are my two old craftsman 3/8ths, don't have a qr Snap On yet, I believe they did/do a 36 tooth one too but i forget the model number.
 

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You should stretch the spring a little on the 84 tooth.it helps some.or put a matco 88 rebuild kit in it.
 
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quite an interesting question, as ease of manufacture and cost wouldn't come into it, maybe for strength? though I have never sheared the drive square off of a ratchet, usually the mechanism will skip or break a tooth first...


I do like q/r ratchets, but only ones i have are my two old craftsman 3/8ths, don't have a qr Snap On yet, I believe they did/do a 36 tooth one too but i forget the model number.

I've found it interesting how many pro wrenches here don't want the quick release button. Their arguments stem around hitting the release at the worst possible time and dropping whatever. Personally I prefer the quick release but there has been many times I cussed myself cause something dropped off into never never land.
 

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I always thought quick release button is the best.
You can't accidentally pull out a socket.
 

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Quick release buttons make the whole thing weaker. The most common failure point on ratchets in this day is twisting off the anvil. Drilling a hole down through the center of the anvil weakens it somewhat.

That's what I always thought. You get the benefit of easy socket removal, you trade durability for that. Was never a big fan of QR myself, though - as time goes by - I can see situations where it would prove useful. YMMV

I've seen Craftsman split the knuckle in half, but not anything you guys call high end. I've never had a Bonney or SK ratchet fail like that, but they weren't QR.
 

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I've found it interesting how many pro wrenches here don't want the quick release button. Their arguments stem around hitting the release at the worst possible time and dropping whatever. Personally I prefer the quick release but there has been many times I cussed myself cause something dropped off into never never land.

There's another scenario too which is the opposite of my first example:

sometimes you fight w extensions and wobbles to get on a fastener, THEN you want to pop the anvil into the last extension and go. By being able to depress a button it just slides in without having to push on your wobbles and risk knocking something outta place.

Likewise sometimes you're trying to start a dirty or slightly boogered fastener with your fingers on extensions. It won't quite go but you're fairly certain the leverage of a ratchet will get you through that rough spot. When something is barely started on the first thread or two you don't really want to push down on it shoving a ratchet into that extension, but the button makes this happen with near zero force. Every machinist knows you don't loosen your drawbar 90% then pound on it 'cause you'll booger the very few threads that are left engaged - similar principle.
 

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I switched over to Snap-on QR ratchets after ending up with one included in an eBay auction. They've become my go to for 3/8" and 1/4" drive. Never had an issue with bumping anything and dropping sockets. QR ratchet and locking extensions make spark plug jobs a breeze (no more sockets stuck on plugs).

Proto also offers a QR in their 45 tooth pearhead ratchets.
 
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OP also the 75T ratchets utilize a head that's nearly exactly the same thickness as the low profile stuff, BUT the button sits much more proud (right). I personally really like the new 75T design while others here swear it's the biggest disappointment they've ever experienced. Note on the left is a U.S. low profile which actually IS slightly thinner than the redesigned 84T Taiwanese versions (maybe .020"?). Somewhere on this board I've posted thickness measurements of the old US low profile 60T, new Taiwanese 84T (since gifted away) and the 75T. They're all VERY close.

edit: LEFT: .477". RIGHT: .494". NOT including buttons
 

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I'm not really a fan of quick release ratchets even though I own a few. If by high end, you're only considering truck brands you're missing out on a couple of great brands. Check out what Wera and Carlyle offer. Of course, they aren't US made if that's an issue for you.:beer:
 

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That craftsman ratchet! Ok short story, had one very much like that one many years ago. Was my favorite ratchet. Lost it! Found it a decade later (no joke). Had it for a week, then was stolen. I went through an emotional roller coaster with that ratchet. Had a sentimental value to me and was bummed when it was gone for good a second time.

That is when I started my crazed tool buying. It started with the ratchet. I'm a bit of a ratchet junky these days. Lets start with my experience with the release button on higher end ratchets. I have a gripe about them. They work too well. The socket will not come off on my ratchets unless that button is depressed. On some of my cheaper much older ratchets I could still manage to remove a socket without button depressing. Problematic if I am loosening a bolt in a tight area and don't watch my clearance for my fat finger to get in there and release the socket. I will have to tighten back a little till I can. The pull off style is much better for that situation. So pick and choose for your application there.

I currently have 2 go to ratchets that I love with a release button. High tooth, not so much.
First one is the Facom sealed pear head ratchet with release button. JL.171 only 72 tooth. But that handle is so comfortable and the ratchet takes some serious abuse.

Secondly is even lower on the teeth count. The Koken 3774J. Longer ratchet, still a comfortable handle. I think somewhere around 30 teeth, but amazingly low drag. I have never had such a low drag ratchet that I can ratchet off even the loosest of bolts.

Now my next ratchet will be a high tooth with release button. If you want to spend the money you can get a Nepro 90 tooth ratchet with release button. NBR390 is one of the cheapest models in the 3/8 www.nepros.net

EDIT: I retract my statement about the Koken ratchet. It broke today. I would avoid this one.
 
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Quick release buttons make the whole thing weaker. The most common failure point on ratchets in this day is twisting off the anvil. Drilling a hole down through the center of the anvil weakens it somewhat.

A lot of people mention that reason. However it doesn't really hold true. Yes, the hole does make it weaker but only by an insignificant amount. Check out the equations here. (table with hollow cylinder shaft)
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/torsion-shafts-d_947.html

For my 3/8 ratchet it was something like a 3% loss in stiffness. Not something to worry about.
 

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I have looked, and I didn't see any SO ratchets with fine teeth that had the quick release button.

They're out there:

Just got my first Snap On tool, 3/8 FRH80 quick release ratchet comfort grip! Really looking forward to using it. I must be used to cheap ratchets, this one has some weight to it, nice and solid!

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If you have enough ratchets, you can attach sockets and bars to a different ratchet as you need them without having to swap that stuff back to a single ratchet. That saves time and you can use more compact, non-QR ratchets.
 

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O.P. Just go to Home Despot and get the Husky 72 tooth 3/8 ratchet. APEX product with a low profile and a recessed quick release button. Strong enough for me to give my workers and they don't break. Been (ab)using them at work for a couple years, and no failures. (yet)
 
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The Snapon truck stops at my friends shop on Wednesday. I'll see if I can get a FR80 or FRH80 off the truck. Is it better to buy off the truck,or can I get a better deal elsewhere?
 

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Off the truck is better that way you can check it over. Make sure the handle is all the way on and make sure the cover plate is flush.
 
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Off the truck is better that way you can check it over. Make sure the handle is all the way on and make sure the cover plate is flush.

Jeeez. For as much as these things cost,I wouldn't think i would have to worry about stuff like that. Especially it being an American made tool. Is the truck cheaper than online?
 

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Jeeez. For as much as these things cost,I wouldn't think i would have to worry about stuff like that. Especially it being an American made tool. Is the truck cheaper than online?

I mention those discrepancies because I've had it happen.

The truck dealer should be able to beat the online price if he's smart.
 

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I was vehemently opposed to ratchets without a QR button. Then I bought an F936 hard handle, no button. That was 1995, and I haven't willingly used a QR ratchet since. Wont buy one either. Personal preference, I guess.
 

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Quick release buttons make the whole thing weaker. The most common failure point on ratchets in this day is twisting off the anvil. Drilling a hole down through the center of the anvil weakens it somewhat.

Exactly! Most Pro mechanics I know do not like QR (Quick Release) ratchets.
QR ratchets are ok in 1/4" drive with greasy hands, easier to get socket off. Notice SO (Snap-on) high strength ratchets are not a QR.
 
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Im curious about the SO FRH80 ratchet plastic handle. It looks like that plastic handle woud just slip off the ratchet.
 

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Im curious about the SO FRH80 ratchet plastic handle. It looks like that plastic handle woud just slip off the ratchet.

You shouldn't worry, its on there solid, at least mine is. The shaft is dimpled and the handle is pressed on.
 
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I may pick the FRH80 over the FR80 then. Ive never had a ratchet with a nice comfortable handle.
 
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