Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

My woodcutter showed up first thing this morning with a small load of seasoned wood and towing his splitter. I had told him I might try to use a wood stove in the main shop this winter and he got eager to bring me some wood. So we split and stacked what he had. No picture but it made me late enough I could not start work until the PM

Welded and ground the little piece I made yesterday.

Good weld penetration.

Tacked it in place with the TIG, but can't get the TIG torch down in the box so I gas welded it. Piece at the top was real thin, you can see the big spot where I burned through and had to fill it back up. I'm thinking that piece needs to be replaced too.

That was so easy. I'm still struggling with the TIG. I can't seem to control it. The arc has a mind of it's own. So I went ahead and finished out the first piece with gas.

Didn't get full penetration, you can see the TIG tacks on the back side.

Ground the high spots off the other piece, it has a good weld, if a bit on the ugly side.

Ground the other piece part way, planished it with a tack hammer, and it ground out OK. Not great, but it will do. I texted my welder buddy and told him I was desperate for some TIG schooling. He promised to come tomorrow at 3:00.

I got the closing piece tacked in with TIG but failed to get a picture. We'll see how my buddy does on it. He may modify the welder settings or just tell me I'll never be a welder. He'll likely tell me that anyway.

Thanks for the visits, encouragement, and comments. We're getting nice thunderstorms now.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, that is one mean counter weight..

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, that is one mean counter weight..

Drives made me do it. It is such a shame to have a vise sitting in the floor not being used, but I don't mind it just hanging around.

Glad to see you're out and about. Did you grab a Coke while you were here?

 

[bj383ss]

Andy did post #3641 have pictures? If it did I can't see any. By the way your thunderstorms are down in my area now.

Bret

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: i'm sure that might be highest and best use for that big import vise, but i'm curious what you mean by lead screw missing? it looks like it's all there so maybe putting that on a post or BOB to use out on the farm might be a better use cause even without jaws it looks like it would hold something. then use an old tractor weight which i'm sure you have a few laying around for your door opener.

or keep the vise where it is if you like it and I approve cause it isn't an old USA or EUROPEAN made one that i'm not fond of seeing them abused.

IT'S SUNDAY. i've been waiting all week for it not to be a SATURDAY so i guess i'll relax today.

cheers and hope you get some R&R time yourself cause you go at a pretty good pace.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy did post #3641 have pictures? If it did I can't see any. By the way your thunderstorms are down in my area now.

Bret

Hmmm, it had 7 pictures, and when I look at it I still see 7 pictures. Hope I didn't hit the "Photo Private" button by mistake. Maybe PhotoBucket is trying to get back at me for abandoning their service just when they needed my paltry contribution.

 

[Farmall450]

Hmmm, it had 7 pictures, and when I look at it I still see 7 pictures. Hope I didn't hit the "Photo Private" button by mistake. Maybe PhotoBucket is trying to get back at me for abandoning their service just when they needed my paltry contribution.

I also cannot see any, just spaces where they should be.

 

[tym]

I also cannot see any, just spaces where they should be.

Ditto. No pics for me either.

 

[don long]

I've only been away working on a yard sale and I'm 3 pages back.
Man this thread moves fast.
I like containers for storage and Drives look into getting one and decorating the outsides , That's what I have planned with the 3 I have Lol.
Andy, I wanted to ask about pallet stacking inside the container too. and using a pallet jack to move them around after "BOB" helped getting them in the container.
The form gauge worked out well I see. I never thought of transferring the gauge info onto a block of wood. So I'm learning from you.
You are definitly making progress as a body bender.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: i'm sure that might be highest and best use for that big import vise, but i'm curious what you mean by lead screw missing?

Lead screw threads are pulled, I think. It works well for about two inches (all I tried when I bought it) but it won't close fully and won't open fully. So it is stretched, or the threads are pulled out of place. Quite small screw in it as well.

it looks like it's all there so maybe putting that on a post or BOB to use out on the farm might be a better use cause even without jaws it looks like it would hold something.

The jaw inserts are gone, and the screws holding them are broken off. I could weld new inserts in. But the limited range of motion and the concern that the threads might just shear off makes me not want to put much time in it. I'll just let it hang around.

then use an old tractor weight which i'm sure you have a few laying around for your door opener.

Got a bunch of 140# weights, but I only needed 40#. The vise was exactly the right weight.

or keep the vise where it is if you like it and I approve cause it isn't an old USA or EUROPEAN made one that i'm not fond of seeing them abused.

How about the Record vise I have that my Son In Law was going to mount on the back of a work truck? He sent someone to town to buy a vise and that's what they came back with. He said it seemed expensive at the time and never got around to mounting it. I don't think it has ever been mounted and is rusty. When he saw the look on my face he gave it to me.

IT'S SUNDAY. i've been waiting all week for it not to be a SATURDAY so i guess i'll relax today.

I relaxed today, the bull is getting around better. When I go out and get in their pen now, he and the heifer walk to the corner where I pin them behind a gate and give the bull his shots. They've learned.

cheers and hope you get some R&R time yourself cause you go at a pretty good pace.

Thanks for the visit! I didn't do much today, my buddy came over and gave me a welding lesson. He is an ace but also a good instructor.

I also cannot see any, just spaces where they should be.

Did you forget to pay your dues?

Ditto. No pics for me either.

On another thread I saw where some guys were switching to Chrome browser or something to see pictures. I'm really lost here, it's nothing like doctoring a bull who was lost. Actually, he knew where he was all along.

I've only been away working on a yard sale and I'm 3 pages back.
Man this thread moves fast.
I like containers for storage and Drives look into getting one and decorating the outsides , That's what I have planned with the 3 I have Lol.
Andy, I wanted to ask about pallet stacking inside the container too. and using a pallet jack to move them around after "BOB" helped getting them in the container.
The form gauge worked out well I see. I never thought of transferring the gauge info onto a block of wood. So I'm learning from you.
You are definitly making progress as a body bender.

Glad to have you stop by, Don.

I plan on decorating mine as Rat Containers. That natural patina everyone loves so much.

The container would certainly handle the load of stacked pallets, but there's not much room to maneuver around inside them. I used to use a pallet jack and have thought about getting one many times. But my shop is just too crowded to make much use of one, much less store it. Maybe I need to build on.

Ha! If you're learning from me you're in trouble.

I read about using two blocks of wood to capture the metal to turn a flange. I've never had a profile gauge before. It works pretty good. I have used a piece of solder but it's hard to keep the solder from bending when transferring.

Thanks for the kind words. I am seeing progress even though I have miles to go. I figure if I get the Studebaker done I'll be better. Question is how much better?

Here's the little stack of wood my woodcutter brought. Nicely seasoned.

Guess I'm going to try wood heat in the shop this winter.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Little update for today. My old friend who happens to be an ace pipe welder responded to my pleas for help and came over today. When I gas welded a spot I couldn't get to with the TIG, and it was so easy I didn't want to use the TIG again. So I cried uncle.

First he showed me how to sharpen the tungsten. He makes a very long thin point. Then he observed me welding like I had been. Next he ran a short bead and gave me some pointers. He welds with a very short arc. Maybe 1/8" long. Very short. And he sticks the tungsten out a long way, maybe 3/8". He then had me make another weld.

Short weld in the middle is his. Very short arc, narrow weld, good penetration. Weld to the right is my first. More heat, apparently. Much better than what I'd been doing. My second weld is on the left. Shorter arc, better penetration. He also showed me the value of using the pulse setting on the machine. Here's the back of the test coupon.

You can see my first weld does not have good penetration. His weld does even though it looks like the metal was just piled up on top on the other side. My second weld, not on a seam, had good penetration. I'm tickled.

I had tacked the second half of the door post and there was a 3/8" gap at the outer end. I could weld across that with gas but asked him to weld it with TIG. He built a bridge right across then filled in the V shaped gap. Yes, it's a little ugly.

Here's the other side

We visited and he left so I welded in the missing piece on the first side

Reasonably good penetration for being a horizontal weld with rusty metal below.

I need lots more practice but I really feel like I'm on the right track.

Set the running board in place, it looks like it will fit reasonably well. I want to make a modification at the back to make it match original a little better.

Getting closer to actually making some progress!!

It will be great to get the running board welded in place.

Nothing like a little help. So to recap my welding lesson

1 Better tungsten point
2 Greater tungsten stickout
3 Short arc
4 Melt puddle in base metal first (I had been melting filler metal then blending that into the base metal)
5 Base metal cleanliness (I'm used to gas welding through rust)
6 Arc pulse for penetration without a large puddle

He also explained to put my heel on the top of the foot pedal and use my toe on the pedal. It seems backwards but works lots better. I also didn't know the cap on the back of the torch loosens the tungsten. I'd been taking the cup off every time.

Pretty good day!

Now progress stops. My old pal from Houston is driving in for meetings in Tulsa then a few days here. We plan to make him a rotisserie and I need to round up material.

Thanks for the visit!!

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: good to hear the bull might be on the road to improvement!!

as far as your counterweight you probably have the right tool for the job so I APPROVE.

RECORD vices are good vises and rust usually doesn't cause to many issues cause can be cleaned up pretty easily. if yours is a newer one i probably is made in China (I think they have a town named Sheffield in China). if it says MADE IN ENGLAND and not just Sheffield on it's side then it's 20+ years old and a well made vise that would replace your Craftsman vise that i see you use all the time. here's a picture of a Record vice that i picked up a week or two ago that still had the original box sitting under the guy's bench and it's MADE IN ENGLAND. doe's yours look like mine under the rust?

take care and of course tomorrow is SATURDAY so enjoy the day as i will cause supposed to be sunny here in the great PNW.

cheers

 

[bj383ss]

Andy welding lesson #5 has helped me tremendously even welding with MIG flux core wire and no gas. I swab everything with Wax and grease remover before welding now.

Bret

 

[oldironfarmer]

ANDY: good to hear the bull might be on the road to improvement!!

Me too!! I think he's even happy about it.

as far as your counterweight you probably have the right tool for the job so I APPROVE.



RECORD vices are good vises and rust usually doesn't cause to many issues cause can be cleaned up pretty easily. if yours is a newer one i probably is made in China (I think they have a town named Sheffield in China). if it says MADE IN ENGLAND and not just Sheffield on it's side then it's 20+ years old and a well made vise that would replace your Craftsman vise that i see you use all the time. here's a picture of a Record vice that i picked up a week or two ago that still had the original box sitting under the guy's bench and it's MADE IN ENGLAND. doe's yours look like mine under the rust?

That is a mighty fine vise you have there. I would want to keep it in the box...

Mine looks a little like yours, I don't see much evidence of use other than one small ding in the moveable jaw and paint damage looks like it has been clamped down by two feet at one point. But it's only a 3.

take care and of course tomorrow is SATURDAY so enjoy the day as i will cause supposed to be sunny here in the great PNW.

cheers

You best be mixing concrete on a sunny day!! Thanks for the comments!

Andy welding lesson #5 has helped me tremendously even welding with MIG flux core wire and no gas. I swab everything with Wax and grease remover before welding now.

Bret

I've never like flux core because of the cleaning required, and have become accustomed to welding through paint and rust with 6011, and through rust with oxyacetylene. I really thought I knew how to clean but old habits die slowly. He kindly reminded me had I taken the time to clean the door post on the inside before welding to it we'd have fewer bug holes in the welds. Still, it gave him something to make fun of me about. Hadn't thought about wax and grease remover. Do you do that after sanding to bright metal? I suppose sanding could smear melted wax over the sanded surface. Thanks for the tip. I'm not used to welding on stuff which may have been waxed in the past. I'm thinking about giving my flux core another tryout.

Thanks for the visit!

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: yep it's not like i NEED another vise so it's sitting nicely in it's box inside a cabinet until i figure out a spot for it, but it won't be a counter weight for a door. your fairly small Record IS MADE IN ENGLAND so maybe 20+ years old and a good solid vise.

if you have a spot to use it maybe just clean it up and try to get some grease on it, but a word of warning Record vices are hard to take apart and put back together.

i'm using my SATURDAY to pick up some cedar 3x10's x 14 so i can make some steps for my deck next spring and also picking up more lumber just because i'll have the trailer out, but i might have time to form up some more sidewalk and make a 11 80 pound bag pour.

enjoy your day and best of luck with all the new knowledge you gained on your SUNDAY regarding your welding.

cheers

 

[Bob Heine]

i'm using my SATURDAY to pick up some cedar 3x10's x 14 so i can make some steps for my deck next spring and also picking up more lumber just because i'll have the trailer out, but i might have time to form up some more sidewalk and make a 11 80 pound bag pour.

Drives, when you mix your concrete do you split the bag in half or cut one end open and pour the whole bag? I've never had a problem with my back but I avoid lifting 80-pound anythings with one hand (puts a lot of stress on one side of the body).

I always cut the bag across the middle with the mixing shovel, lift the center and cut the other side of the bag with the edge of my shovel. Came across this video showing a neat trick with a piece of rebar to make the second cut even easier:

 

[Farmall450]

I must have forgotten to pay my dues.

I'm using the chrome we browser btw. No luck.

If you get some ramps you could run bob (and the pallets of feed) right into the pod, just like a dock would w/ forklifts.

 

[drivesitfar]

Bob: you amaze me with all that you manage to do that most guys can't do with 2 good arms. WELL DONE

your YouTube video looks almost like surgery and a little to slow for me, but maybe those are over 100 pound bags cause i didn't see the weight the first time watching it.

i think i do as you do cause i drop the 80 pounder in the empty wheelbarrow and take my hoe (I wore out the one i had with a hole in the blade) and i tear the middle up out of the bag, turn the bag over and spill the cement into the wheelbarrow, turn on my water (I picked up a couple fire hose nossels that work great now) to clean up the leftovers from the last bag and mix. if i get it a bit too runny i usually have an open bag to pour in more cement cause i don't want that much extra water and if i need more water i add some. then dump and spread it out a bit and go get another bag.

i think the 45 bag sidewalk pour on a 85 degree day about 5 years ago was my biggest one day pour and my bride did all the tamping and finishing or i'm sure i wouldn't have been able to finish. it was about a 30 foot long strip that widened at my Pergola and i formed the curves with trex so it was about 5.5 inches thick with a lot of steel in it. hasn't had a crack in it yet.

best of luck on any more you have to do and as i said in another thread your home looks like a resort at night with all the palm trees and lights and nicely maintained.

ANDY: speaking of PALM TREES i think you might need one or two? i also moved some huge cabinets yesterday and today so i'm trying to GET ORGANIZED.

 

[oldironfarmer]

ANDY: yep it's not like i NEED another vise so it's sitting nicely in it's box inside a cabinet until i figure out a spot for it, but it won't be a counter weight for a door. your fairly small Record IS MADE IN ENGLAND so maybe 20+ years old and a good solid vise.

if you have a spot to use it maybe just clean it up and try to get some grease on it, but a word of warning Record vices are hard to take apart and put back together.

i'm using my SATURDAY to pick up some cedar 3x10's x 14 so i can make some steps for my deck next spring and also picking up more lumber just because i'll have the trailer out, but i might have time to form up some more sidewalk and make a 11 80 pound bag pour.

enjoy your day and best of luck with all the new knowledge you gained on your SUNDAY regarding your welding.

cheers

Thanks for the visit!! I need to find a place for the Record vise. Why are they hard to take apart?

Drives, when you mix your concrete do you split the bag in half or cut one end open and pour the whole bag? I've never had a problem with my back but I avoid lifting 80-pound anythings with one hand (puts a lot of stress on one side of the body).

I always cut the bag across the middle with the mixing shovel, lift the center and cut the other side of the bag with the edge of my shovel. Came across this video showing a neat trick with a piece of rebar to make the second cut even easier:

Interesting way to open a bag of cement.

I must have forgotten to pay my dues.

I'm using the chrome we browser btw. No luck.

If you get some ramps you could run bob (and the pallets of feed) right into the pod, just like a dock would w/ forklifts.

Really need you to pay up, I miss your comments.

Bob: you amaze me with all that you manage to do that most guys can't do with 2 good arms. WELL DONE

your YouTube video looks almost like surgery and a little to slow for me, but maybe those are over 100 pound bags cause i didn't see the weight the first time watching it.

i think i do as you do cause i drop the 80 pounder in the empty wheelbarrow and take my hoe (I wore out the one i had with a hole in the blade) and i tear the middle up out of the bag, turn the bag over and spill the cement into the wheelbarrow, turn on my water (I picked up a couple fire hose nossels that work great now) to clean up the leftovers from the last bag and mix. if i get it a bit too runny i usually have an open bag to pour in more cement cause i don't want that much extra water and if i need more water i add some. then dump and spread it out a bit and go get another bag.

i think the 45 bag sidewalk pour on a 85 degree day about 5 years ago was my biggest one day pour and my bride did all the tamping and finishing or i'm sure i wouldn't have been able to finish. it was about a 30 foot long strip that widened at my Pergola and i formed the curves with trex so it was about 5.5 inches thick with a lot of steel in it. hasn't had a crack in it yet.

best of luck on any more you have to do and as i said in another thread your home looks like a resort at night with all the palm trees and lights and nicely maintained.

ANDY: speaking of PALM TREES i think you might need one or two? i also moved some huge cabinets yesterday and today so i'm trying to GET ORGANIZED.

I don't need to know more about hand mixing concrete I've done enough. Can you mix it on a street or driveway?

I don't think palm trees can take our winter weather. But I love to have some.

Thanks for the visits, guys!

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: most if not all Record vices have a closed end so to get it apart you have some maneuvering to do with the vise nut's holder. also the cotter pin or part holding the main screw to the dynamic jaw is spring loaded so you need about 4 hands i've heard. you'll probably do fine or if there is still grease on the screw just mount it to a bench and start using it. it might not be hard for you, but guys that restore vises every day/week say the Record is a PITA to work on, but they are well built vices. English way to spell vises is vices, but i'm sure you already knew that since you are world traveler. speaking of which i'm backup buyer for 1/2's 2hp motors if you can't get over to pick them up.

i think i'd like to know how to do ZUMBA rather than mixing cement, but it's all exercise.

i'm not certain what you meant by mixing cement on the street or driveway, but i don't always know what you are saying and we seem to get our points across.

thanks for the tip on OLD IRONSIDE over on BB's thread and I think i've actually seen it sailing in pictures and maybe a youtube video. remember who played Ironside on that TV show?

cheers

 

[realvc]

Perry Mason was Ironside on TV.

 

[oldironfarmer]

ANDY: most if not all Record vices have a closed end so to get it apart you have some maneuvering to do with the vise nut's holder. also the cotter pin or part holding the main screw to the dynamic jaw is spring loaded so you need about 4 hands i've heard.

Dang it! Now you've challenged me I hate it when that happens

you'll probably do fine or if there is still grease on the screw just mount it to a bench and start using it. it might not be hard for you, but guys that restore vises every day/week say the Record is a PITA to work on, but they are well built vices. English way to spell vises is vices, but i'm sure you already knew that since you are world traveler. speaking of which i'm backup buyer for 1/2's 2hp motors if you can't get over to pick them up.

Yeah, I try to not use British spelling, it hurts my English. If you get there before I do, please wait on me...

i think i'd like to know how to do ZUMBA rather than mixing cement, but it's all exercise.

Go to a local Zumba class, you'll have fun and a lot of laughs. Usually the first class is free I've found I can still do a bit of work along with doing Zumba.

i'm not certain what you meant by mixing cement on the street or driveway, but i don't always know what you are saying and we seem to get our points across.

Obviously a leading question. While I was in college I was speeding down a four lane street when an old guy pulls part way from a side street and stops. I had just passed a car on my left so I was in the outside lane and he filled only my lane. Oncoming traffic and I knew if I slowed I would hit the offender and likely the car that I'd just passed. Several cars coming in the opposing lanes. Probably doing 50 mph in my 51 Chevy, I cut to the center lane, slid past the stopped car and then slid off the right curb and plowed down a speed limit sign. Guy who pulled out into traffic waited to admit he caused the accident. Policeman said since there was no contact between our cars his action may have well been a mile back. I was confused but went to court and got a $25 fine or four hours public service. Kind judge in a college town. I was making $1.15/hr with a wife and baby and full time college so $25 was a lot. I signed up for public service. The day I showed up they assigned me to the city street department. I was ready to work hard, but they wanted to show me how they made signs. That was interesting, laying the letters out and then fusing them with heat, then sprinkling with glass beads and heating again. The guy I was working for was holding class. We then took the sign out and installed it. He had a sack of cement and sand a gravel piled on the flatbed. No mixer and no boat (my dad always made a shallow wooden "boat" to mix in). He had me dig the hole, I didn't say anything, but was dying to find out how he was going to make concrete with no equipment. He had me pile the gravel on the pavement (just three shovels), pile the sand on top, then a bit of cement and fold it with a square point shovel. I got it mixed well pretty quickly, it worked very well. Then he had me make a well in the middle and he poured a little water on it and I continued to fold the mixture and wet it. It worked surprisingly well and quickly. I've done it since, but of course if I were to do it now I'd put it in the hole dry and tamp it down. Soil moisture will harden it and the dry mix tamped will support a post better than a wet mix. And that, children, is how you make a watch.

thanks for the tip on OLD IRONSIDE over on BB's thread and I think i've actually seen it sailing in pictures and maybe a youtube video. remember who played Ironside on that TV show?

cheers

Perry Mason was Ironside on TV.

And I thought it was Raymond Burr

 

[sawduststeve]

Evening Andy.

Man, you cover some ground, and at some speed, I read quick but you DO quicker.
I keep abreast of what you're up to, and love the 4hr community service and concrete story. My dear old Dad when he started work would knock up 14 yard of concrete a day by hand with another young lad.I mixed up a few ton with him over the years. Cement and ballast, turn it over three times, add water, turn it over three times and repeat until finished. Good times.

Regards
Steve.

 

[tym]

Perry Mason was Ironside on TV.

I thought he was Jimmy Stewart's murdering neighbor?

 

[oldironfarmer]

Evening Andy.

Man, you cover some ground, and at some speed, I read quick but you DO quicker.
I keep abreast of what you're up to, and love the 4hr community service and concrete story. My dear old Dad when he started work would knock up 14 yard of concrete a day by hand with another young lad.I mixed up a few ton with him over the years. Cement and ballast, turn it over three times, add water, turn it over three times and repeat until finished. Good times.

Regards
Steve.

Thanks for the kind words!

My dad built a 20 by 30 milk barn when he was in his early twenties. It is still standing and was made with poured concrete walls, about 4" thick. SW Missouri they used river sand and river gravel. I wasn't here yet, but I'm sure it was all mixed by hand and shoveled into the form.

I thought he was Jimmy Stewart's murdering neighbor?

Thanks for stopping in, guys!

I have this vice which is locked up. It is U.S. made, so I've thought about restoring it.

Called my expert welding friend and in the conversation mentioned I was looking for 1/2" by 6" plate 10" long for the second rotisserie. He told me to come on over so I went and he cut two 4 ft pieces for me. He may not be very good at math, but it's enough. Gave me some more drop too.

Another shot of the running board clamped into place. I can see a bit of light at the end of a long tunnel.

Thanks for the visits!

 

[don long]

Andy
You seem to be really enjoying the rotisserie and it is making you look like a real tin bender running board looks great

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: i think PERRY MASON could be a correct answer to the actor that played IRONSIDE and i bet only his mom might have objected to the answer not being his Raymond Burr name.

I loved the cement making on the sidewalk story and i've actually seen that done along with making it in a sled like i think you said your dad did. the community service, wages per hour sure brought back some good memories and thanks for sharing.

yep your Study's cab is coming along nicely so keep on truckin.

so in case you didn't know that is a PRENTISS VISE company vise and probably from the early 1900's. if you want to unseize it there are several options. since it is missing the swivel base i'd probably leave it welded to the steel plate to use for mounting later. do you have a tup or bucket big enough to set it in either with diesel or vinegar? let it soak for a few days or a week or two and pull it out and more than likely it will start to move. if you use vinegar make sure to rinse it off completely and dry it either in the sun or a shop oven cause vinegar left on cast iron will keep eating it and pit it a lot.

or have you set up and Electrolysis tank yet? 1/2 Cup made one with a solar panel and Don just made one in a 5 gallon bucket to clean up some of their rusty stuff. that might work to un seize your old Prentiss vise too.

I'm bushed cause i rented a 12 foot Uhaul and picked up a bunch of good size lumber and cedar and tonight while i had the trailer i just left Lowes with 29 80 pound bags of cement and already loaded them up in my shed that isn't that close to the end of the trailer.

lastly i don't think your bag of cement in a hole with a post in it will be as solid as one i mix cement first to pour in a hole even up here in the wet PNW the dry cement doesn't seem to get wet enough in the hole.

cheers and have a great SATURDAY tomorrow and i'll try to do the same.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy
You seem to be really enjoying the rotisserie and it is making you look like a real tin bender running board looks great

Thanks Don! I'm surprised how often I change the rotisserie position. Roll down a couple of inches to grind, roll up to weld, roll over to check the back. I'm very pleased with it.

I mentioned I bought the running boards and reinforcing piece before I started. Had I made the running boards there would be three or four pages detailing every painful step of the way. I'm not sure how they made them, there is a pretty deep draw around the side but they don't look like a die stamping either. Maybe someday I'll work up to that level. If I can live long enough.

Looking forward to your potential visit!!

ANDY: i think PERRY MASON could be a correct answer to the actor that played IRONSIDE and i bet only his mom might have objected to the answer not being his Raymond Burr name.

I loved the cement making on the sidewalk story and i've actually seen that done along with making it in a sled like i think you said your dad did. the community service, wages per hour sure brought back some good memories and thanks for sharing.

yep your Study's cab is coming along nicely so keep on truckin.

so in case you didn't know that is a PRENTISS VISE company vise and probably from the early 1900's. if you want to unseize it there are several options. since it is missing the swivel base i'd probably leave it welded to the steel plate to use for mounting later. do you have a tup or bucket big enough to set it in either with diesel or vinegar? let it soak for a few days or a week or two and pull it out and more than likely it will start to move. if you use vinegar make sure to rinse it off completely and dry it either in the sun or a shop oven cause vinegar left on cast iron will keep eating it and pit it a lot.

or have you set up and Electrolysis tank yet? 1/2 Cup made one with a solar panel and Don just made one in a 5 gallon bucket to clean up some of their rusty stuff. that might work to un seize your old Prentiss vise too.

I'm bushed cause i rented a 12 foot Uhaul and picked up a bunch of good size lumber and cedar and tonight while i had the trailer i just left Lowes with 29 80 pound bags of cement and already loaded them up in my shed that isn't that close to the end of the trailer.

lastly i don't think your bag of cement in a hole with a post in it will be as solid as one i mix cement first to pour in a hole even up here in the wet PNW the dry cement doesn't seem to get wet enough in the hole.

cheers and have a great SATURDAY tomorrow and i'll try to do the same.

Glad to know the PV is Prentiss Vise. I'll definitely save it, but will likely remove the welded base. I could always make a swivel base if the one on the counterweight doesn't fit. We had to remove the swivel base on the counterweight to get the right weight. For some reason I didn't throw it away.

I've done electrolysis and vinegar for years. Electrolysis won't get in the tight spaces. I think the lead screw on this vise is damaged as well, so it will probably get cut out and a new one installed.

I just lost a long description of why dry concrete mix in a hole is better. I'm out of time so I'll bore you with that later.

 

[shortykorte]

CBacres mentioned a mixture of ****** fluid and acetone does a decent job of penetrating tight areas.


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[Hotrod1959]

Nice vise.

 

[dreamingmuscle]

I dont have the time to chase this vise Andy. You might the though.

https://stillwater.craigslist.org/tls/d/machinist-vise/6360582057.html

Glen

 

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[oldironfarmer]

CBacres mentioned a mixture of ****** fluid and acetone does a decent job of penetrating tight areas.

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I've tried that and couldn't tell much difference from PB Blaster. May be similar. Time is probably the most important ingredient in getting penetrants to work. I really didn't think the vise was anything special and hadn't looked at the name or noticed USA.

Nice vise.

Thank you! I plan to put some time into it and make it something I can use. I've got enough vices but not enough vises.

I dont have the time to chase this vise Andy. You might the though.

https://stillwater.craigslist.org/tls/d/machinist-vise/6360582057.html

Glen

Dang! That has a swivel built in, it would be great on the mill. But the guy says it is sold.

It was too cheap, he says if the guy turns it down I can have it.

Thanks for making me drool.

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Only way he's turning that down is if the swmbo tells him no. That was a cheap price.

I figured that would rock your recliner though.

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Heres another one very similar but not as cheap.

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/tls/d/milling-machine-vice-palmgren/6330876426.html

 

[oldironfarmer]

My buddy from Houston showed up a day early. Had to be back in Houston tomorrow so he spent the morning. We worked hard on getting started on his rotisserie. My son in law showed up, as well as being a code welder, he used to work in the skid shop at CE Natco, a major worldwide supplier back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. So I had him cope the beams for casters. Bob supplied the work table and Todd (left) supervised.

I had all the small parts already cut out and we deburred them. Here's the four rails coped for casters.

He left mid-afternoon to drive back to Houston (took some beam to make himself an overhead crane). As I was getting tools back inside our new preacher showed up with an old cast iron kettle which had one cast handle broken off. He asked whether I could put something on it so they could use it. Bent a 3/8" rod and welded it onto the pot. Preacher kept the preheat on it with a propane torch and I got a little nickle dobbed on it. And, we didn't crack the old pot.

Judging from the 3/8" rod, the old pot is only about 3/16" or less thick. I was real nervous about hitting a carbon deposit and blowing a hole in the top of the pot. But luck won out!!

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Only way he's turning that down is if the swmbo tells him no. That was a cheap price.

I figured that would rock your recliner though.

Heres another one very similar but not as cheap.

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/tls/d/milling-machine-vice-palmgren/6330876426.html

On eBay the Bridgeport vise is $240. I may have to buy one, that would be very handy. My vise is fixed on the mill, and I like that but it would be great to have a second one to pop on the table to make angle cuts. I can see you're going to spend some of my money.

Thank you. I have trouble letting go of it. I usually watch the color come back into my knuckles before I let a dollar go.

 

[dreamingmuscle]

I'm not spending your money. Just live vicariously through you.

Glen

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm not spending your money. Just live vicariously through you.

Glen

I can feel my grip slipping, slipping...

 

[Finallygotit]

No Andy, don't do it!!