eddieK
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VA - I'm going to need your address if you want me to send this your way...
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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michelin
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KMScott, I’m probably asking what has been asked many times now, but aside from the quality of your work which is nothing short of amazing, is it possible to see pictures of your vise collection anywhere?? You are a talented craftsman sir,thanks for sharing your work with us.
https://allentown.craigslist.org/tls/d/vise/6447280696.html
American Scale No50 - a model not listed in the Spreadsheet, and the ad gives neither inches nor pounds. Not going after it myself, but interesting nonetheless.
American Scale No50 - a model not listed in the Spreadsheet, and the ad gives neither inches nor pounds. Not going after it myself, but interesting nonetheless.
Private Lugnutz
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EddieK: In post #61022 above you posted a photo of a Grand vise with a federal stock number. In post #61025 I posted some information about your vise in reply, including its deciphered markings, service history, etc. You've posted twice since then, neither post giving any indication that you saw my reply. Want to make sure you didn't miss it. Linked here.
drivesitfar
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LESSER: there is a vise company list on Post #2 of the vise repair 101 list that probably isn't as complete as FMC's vise thread he made the the guys are working on, but there on post #91 there is a list of American Scale vises and here's what i found for you or whoever might want that little beast.
No50: open screw, swivel base, anvil/horn, 5” jaw, 40lbs
No50C (or 500): same as No50
Jrobb & Eddie: yep those are good start to the list and there are a lot others aren't there?
ALL: as above check out page #2 on the vise repair 101 thread for vise companies and if you might have one to add that VA and others haven't we'll have a couple sources to check out for our vises (and our vice).
cheers
No50: open screw, swivel base, anvil/horn, 5” jaw, 40lbs
No50C (or 500): same as No50
Jrobb & Eddie: yep those are good start to the list and there are a lot others aren't there?
ALL: as above check out page #2 on the vise repair 101 thread for vise companies and if you might have one to add that VA and others haven't we'll have a couple sources to check out for our vises (and our vice).
cheers
KMScott
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Thanks Nick, some times I get bored doing the same thing all the time so this one was a fun project.
KMS, that is just awesome.---You made a one of a kind, and better than Athol could have.---Oh, but I wished you had of found a #4 with the clamp already broken off.---The amputation makes me squeamish.
Thanks for the kind words but you gotta get over the leaving that vise original, how many guys you know do what I do. I am sure I am not removing to many of these old guys from the market place. I am a vise Doctor that cuts out the old and replaces with new along with altering vises to make them better. Got three on the operating table now. I know some of you vise collectors do not like to see this old iron spiffed up but I am not a collector like most here even though I have a fairly large pile. I have no favorites and not married to any of them, just trying to make a living on vises and vise parts. Mostly I use these restored vises as advertisement and SEO for my websites. This Athol sold in 8 hours.
michelin, I do not have a nice rack like Vises, Joe and Zoomie, my machine shop is in my basement and 900 sq ft does not leave me much room for storage. I pick up vises all the time but only show what work I do on them since most of the vises I have has been shown several times here on GJ. I added a link to the ones that I restored/repaired that you might like to see, the link i to what vise's that I sold. Look at how I store my vises, since that picture I had to restack all my vises and now the four shelved closet looks much more full along with every bench space taken up with vises.
My sold Vises.
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va.grouseman
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KMS, that's how I store mine.---It's not pretty by any means, but I'm very careful with them and keep them rust free.---Kind of unsightly, but as Bobby Bear said, ("I got'em boys, that makes me the winner").
gman007
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Based on the recent the post by oldldh showing the photo of a Bugatti vise, when I saw your vise, the first thing that came to my mind was Bugatti vise! Since it is your master piece and not Bugatti's and it is of no lesser caliber, if there was a Ferrari or Lamborghini vise this would be it.
Amazing work of art as usual
G7
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KMScott
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G7, I started machining in 1973, I have built so many Molds, Fixtures and tooling for production work. All these tools had to look like art, no scratches, all aluminum was either anodized or showed a nice machine finish. The Molds and fixtures was heat treated, polished and looking like a brand new car. Then they go into production and just get beat to death by operators that did not care. So at this time of my career it is truly gratifying to create something that will either go back to work or collected by someone that appreciates workmanship. Here is a pic of my last design and build before I said enough, it is a tool that slices thin wall aluminum tubing so the Engineers could measure the coating they add to this copier drum. Little off topic but the only tool I made that I took pic's of. Thanks G7.
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eddieK
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I apologize. I mistook VA for you in my haste....I shouldn't attempt to do more than one thing at a time.
I need your address if you want this delivered.
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Private Lugnutz
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No apologies necessary, eddie. I know that I miss things all the time, whether in haste, old age, fogginess, etc.
I just wanted to make sure you saw it, I wasn't trying to talk you out of the Grand 3" Army workbench clamper and didn't even realize your post to va.grouseman was about that vise. I am subscribed to this thread, but I read it mainly in catch-up mode all the time as it moves too fast for me. Having said all that, if you're not stuck on it, I will definitely PM you in case va.grouseman doesn't want it.MrSurly
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davethorik
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Yost 33C, 5" jaw, 96 lbs, brand new $790 on Amazon.
For a rusty, used one i think that's a tad steep, but that's my opinion.
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Ok so I need help. I finally took apart my Wilton bullet Vice. And after some good elbow grease and a few select choice cuss words yelled out in the right sequence I finally got it all apart. I plan on restoring it to the original look I was thinking about going with hammered green. The rear two metal pins on the rear assembly Gave me a good fight and when All was said and done they were bent to ****. Also I bent up my A few of my Dasco punch pens that came in a set. My question is where do I get these two metal pins for the rear assembly? I’ve looked on the Internet and I guess Wilton does not make them anymore. Is there something else I could use? I’m open to all ideas also here are some pictures.
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eddieK
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I ordered a new seat (not sure about the name but the pins lock it in so that the slide is held solid)...mine came with new pins.
Thanks for posting! Thats a 3 hour drive one way for me and I'm actually surprised they have it priced to so high. Too rich for my blood.
mgmlvks
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Ok so I need help. I finally took apart my Wilton bullet Vice. And after some good elbow grease and a few select choice cuss words yelled out in the right sequence I finally got it all apart. I plan on restoring it to the original look I was thinking about going with hammered green. The rear two metal pins on the rear assembly Gave me a good fight and when All was said and done they were bent to ****. Also I bent up my A few of my Dasco punch pens that came in a set. My question is where do I get these two metal pins for the rear assembly? I’ve looked on the Internet and I guess Wilton does not make them anymore. Is there something else I could use? I’m open to all ideas also here are some pictures.
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Been there and done that. I just tapped my pins straight and plan on reusing them. I have the same punch set - bent the same - straightened up as well
More pics here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/46064258@N08/albums/72157686413784533
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Been there and done that. I just tapped my pins straight and plan on reusing them. I have the same punch set - bent the same - straightened up as well
More pics here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/46064258@N08/albums/72157686413784533
25 dollars that’s a steal.. yeah I just straightened them out a little bit and tapped them back in. Hope to see your finished product.
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Outlawmws
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Dasco are notorious for bending like that. No written warranty...
BMR24
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Most of my dascos broke off, now I have a vast array of center and marking punches
trijeff
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I don't even waste my time trying to punch out the Wilton pins anymore, just drill 'em out and make some new ones from drill rod or, better yet and to make it WAY easier for the next disassembly, tap 'em for machine screws
Then again, I don't have vises I don't use. Doing otherwise would be like dating Jessica Alba and sleeping on the couch.
Then again, I don't have vises I don't use. Doing otherwise would be like dating Jessica Alba and sleeping on the couch.
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gman007
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It WAS "Happy Hour" when the bottle or cup were full, refill please!
Seriously what is this neat SI-FI looking contraption? Man I can think of so many uses for this!
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gman007
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I have Dasco chisels and have not had any problems with them but I can not vouch for their punches. If the punches are supposed to be made of real hardened high carbon steel, then when pushed over the limit should they not brake/snap rather than bend (sounds more like low carbon mild steel)!!
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gman007
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It looks like your super young apprentice (God bless him) is already fascinated with the vises! There is nothing like starting training early in life, especially appreciation for vises
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It is a high tech d-vise "octet swivel dual rotater"
The Globe Welders Vise circa 1922 (see the ad in last attachment)
So it is a like helping hands for soldering but on steroids and for welding! I can see this being used for many other situation in addition to welding, it is pretty darn neat.
By the way nice restoration job and it is in amazing shape despite being that old.
Private Lugnutz
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Beats blocking your work up or yelling for one of your sons to come hold something!
Kind of amazing, actually. Two vises capable of multiple axes and multiple elevations in relationship to each other.
Interesting that it was made by Albert Lea Foundry. That was the successor company to Albert Lea Tractor Mfg Co. When the tractor maker went under the foundry emerged in the same buildings with some of the same principals. The foundry was more diverse. EDIT: Outlaw may already know and if not would likely be interested in hearing that they also later made camp stoves and lanterns on the same site - as American Gas.
Kind of amazing, actually. Two vises capable of multiple axes and multiple elevations in relationship to each other.
Interesting that it was made by Albert Lea Foundry. That was the successor company to Albert Lea Tractor Mfg Co. When the tractor maker went under the foundry emerged in the same buildings with some of the same principals. The foundry was more diverse. EDIT: Outlaw may already know and if not would likely be interested in hearing that they also later made camp stoves and lanterns on the same site - as American Gas.
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drivesitfar
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GET: wow that is COOL. nice find and even better spiffing up. are you maybe going to find a spot to use that in your shop or is it heading for a shelf cause it's so rare? WELL DONE!!
Lug: thanks for the history on the company and person involved in making Get's vise.
Lug: thanks for the history on the company and person involved in making Get's vise.
Private Lugnutz
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In case you didn't already know, Albert Lea, while named after a person (a topographer with the US Army, actually, whose scout was Dan'l Boone's son!), is a town in Minnesota. It was a center for agricultural industry from the late 1800's on. Probably best known as the site of a violent meatpacker's union strike that prompted a national guard mobilization. But the main reason I am going on about it a little bit more in the middle of a vise thread is because it is also the home of Enderes tools. If you don't know about Enderes, they went under, like most small US tool makers, but have been revived and are back in business. Striking tools, mainly. You may recall that GJ, to its credit, made a big thing out of their revival a few years ago. They were a WWII supplier (chisels, punches, and other striking tools), which was my introduction to Enderes and to Albert Lea, the town and the historical figure!Lug: thanks for the history on the company and person involved in making Get's vise.
gman007
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Thank you for the detailed history, it is very interesting. You are for sure the tool historian and scholar!
All those in favor of Lugz for the President of the Historic American Made Tools And Machinery Society (HAM-TAMS) say aye
drivesitfar
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007: i know you are maybe serious with your comments cause LUG does know his STUFF when it comes to WWII and he's learning more everyday cause i think he likes it. we are just benefiting cause he found an old vise a while back and when some of guys in WWII had famous fathers or relatives that go back farther in history he's like a dog on a hunt and we all benefit.
I haven't bought too many NEW TOOLS lately, but when i do i'm going to check out a few member's noggins and ask which brands are worth buying.
Lug: thanks for the added history!!
ALL: i had a nice surprise yesterday while i'm cleaning out one of my 20x20 storage units. i found a box with 3 Zyliss vises and all their accessories in there too. these are awesome to work on outside projects for one you can mount them to almost anything and I just picked up a few pieces of cedar to rebuild my deck. and they are made of aluminum so if i happen to leave them out all night or a few days they won't rust up. WIN WIN!!
I haven't bought too many NEW TOOLS lately, but when i do i'm going to check out a few member's noggins and ask which brands are worth buying.
Lug: thanks for the added history!!
ALL: i had a nice surprise yesterday while i'm cleaning out one of my 20x20 storage units. i found a box with 3 Zyliss vises and all their accessories in there too. these are awesome to work on outside projects for one you can mount them to almost anything and I just picked up a few pieces of cedar to rebuild my deck. and they are made of aluminum so if i happen to leave them out all night or a few days they won't rust up. WIN WIN!!
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Lugz knowledge is for sure very impressive and my all of comments were meant as a serious compliment. GJ is lucky to have such distinguished and talented individuals as Lugz and Dr. Scott and many others as memebers and as you said we all benefit from their wisdom and knoweldge.
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After having looked thru literally thousands of vise posts, I decided I should post a few of my own. While I concentrate mostly on the small sizes for my collection, I buy and sell the bigger ones. Usually those over 2 1/2 inches.
The first of many that I’ll try to post, is a Parker that was patented by Thomas Hall, June 24, 1873, Patent no. 140,269. This is a quick adjust vise that functions much like the Stephens vises, except that Mr. Hall put his locking lever on the front, rather than on the side like Stephens. The patent link is below.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US140269.pdf
These were made in both swivel and fixed base models. Mine is the swivel base and is in good condition with the exception of the missing swivel lock on the one side. The two pictures of the fixed base unit are from Pat Leach's December tool list. Both of the vises have 2 inch jaws.
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The first of many that I’ll try to post, is a Parker that was patented by Thomas Hall, June 24, 1873, Patent no. 140,269. This is a quick adjust vise that functions much like the Stephens vises, except that Mr. Hall put his locking lever on the front, rather than on the side like Stephens. The patent link is below.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US140269.pdf
These were made in both swivel and fixed base models. Mine is the swivel base and is in good condition with the exception of the missing swivel lock on the one side. The two pictures of the fixed base unit are from Pat Leach's December tool list. Both of the vises have 2 inch jaws.
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zoomieport
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Hell All,
Does anyone live in or around Perkasie, Pa. want to help me out?
PM me if you can...please?
Thank you!
Mike
Does anyone live in or around Perkasie, Pa. want to help me out?
PM me if you can...please?
Thank you!
Mike
gman007
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Mike, Wow that is one heck of interesting vise! Thanks for posting it.
Now from purely practical and functional points of view based on the patent description and drawings, that is one complex configuration. It seems that at least on this one Mr. Hall seems to have forgotten about the KISS and the more moving parts the more points of failure principles. Also there might be concerns about how much force can one really exert on the piece with this mechanism.
But this does not at all detract from how novel and fascinating this vise is! As it says in the patent "the handle being attached to the vise differently from that of any other vise, and the method of applying friction to the handle to hold it where placed." and that mostly likely is true.
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