xin
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SIMPLE ANSWER.
GET rid of the welfare state and people will be either working or not eating.
I fail to see the problem here.
Milwaukee made in China?
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SIMPLE ANSWER.
GET rid of the welfare state and people will be either working or not eating.
I fail to see the problem here.
bob15
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
So the 10 dollar used Milwaukee drill I bought doesn't help the economy? You care to tell that to the store owner? Instead I should buy the 30 HF drill or the 120 dollar milwaukee drill? With the hundred bucks I saved can buy a lot more US made items after the fact.
But hey, you want to piss your money away on **** tool, go ahead
High horse?
That would be 2 different transactions Einstein.. by that logic you can goto allibaba and save LOTS of money, and then have 10 transactions.. let's stay away from inventing our own logic, so we can twist it into any reason we need.. you're a step or two away from the magic bullet theory with that one. your first purchase did nothing for the economy. Only for yourself..
Buying a new made in China item for less money would have contributed more than your used purchase, and still saved you money to buy other things..
We need a step-stool emoji to help people climb off their high horse.
Listen, buy whatever you want. It's your money.. but the day I come asking you for cash is the day you can tell me how I should spend mine. But let's not play the "I'm better than you" game cause you buy old USA tools - and the boast how your helping keep jobs here..
So the 10 dollar used Milwaukee drill I bought doesn't help the economy? You care to tell that to the store owner? Instead I should buy the 30 HF drill or the 120 dollar milwaukee drill? With the hundred bucks I saved can buy a lot more US made items after the fact.
But hey, you want to piss your money away on **** tool, go ahead
High horse?
if the same store owner sells you used made in the USA tool and made in other country tool for less... It doesn't matter does it.... and neither sale would help the Made in the USA movement.
And it is a flawed argument that says used made in the USA tool is better as well, if you look purely on quality but like many are brain washed some how and coo trolling without knowing it.... you either are too young or just ignoring facts that it's NOT the Chinese competition that puts US economy in this state .... and definitely didn't happen this decade.
And it is a flawed argument that says used made in the USA tool is better as well, if you look purely on quality but like many are brain washed some how and coo trolling without knowing it.... you either are too young or just ignoring facts that it's NOT the Chinese competition that puts US economy in this state .... and definitely didn't happen this decade.
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xin
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Here is the moral of the story, from experience anyone who says they will not work for $11 an hour is not in touch with reality.
I KNOW many people who would LOVE to make $11 an hour, if ONE has never had to do without and struggle to survive.
IF this is the 'normal' thinking of 'Americans' today - the USA is finished.
Lastly, if someone will not do a $11 an hour job with any pride they sure ain't going to $50 an hour job.
reader2580
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
I highly doubt the $100 saved by buying a used USA made tool is ever going to benefit the American factory worker.
One of three things is likely to happen:
1. You never had the $100 additional to buy a new American made tool.
2. The extra money gets saved.
3. The $100 buys more used tools.
So the 10 dollar used Milwaukee drill I bought doesn't help the economy? You care to tell that to the store owner? Instead I should buy the 30 HF drill or the 120 dollar milwaukee drill? With the hundred bucks I saved can buy a lot more US made items after the fact.
But hey, you want to piss your money away on **** tool, go ahead
I highly doubt the $100 saved by buying a used USA made tool is ever going to benefit the American factory worker.
One of three things is likely to happen:
1. You never had the $100 additional to buy a new American made tool.
2. The extra money gets saved.
3. The $100 buys more used tools.
kctyphoon
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
I'm sure the store owner was thrilled at having a $10 sale. Yes.. the flaw in your thinking, is your money stops at him.. if you had bought a $30 drill from HF, how much further back, and how far forward will that money travel in the hands of dozens or hundreds of people that earn a living getting that drill in your hands.
I could argue throwing the $10 drill into a recycling bin might contribute more than you having bought it.
So the 10 dollar used Milwaukee drill I bought doesn't help the economy? You care to tell that to the store owner? Instead I should buy the 30 HF drill or the 120 dollar milwaukee drill? With the hundred bucks I saved can buy a lot more US made items after the fact.
But hey, you want to piss your money away on **** tool, go ahead
High horse?
I'm sure the store owner was thrilled at having a $10 sale. Yes.. the flaw in your thinking, is your money stops at him.. if you had bought a $30 drill from HF, how much further back, and how far forward will that money travel in the hands of dozens or hundreds of people that earn a living getting that drill in your hands.
I could argue throwing the $10 drill into a recycling bin might contribute more than you having bought it.
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finn
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
I’m sure your used tools include DeWalt, and not Milwaukee then, since the Dewalt line includes American made products and Milwaukee is imported.
I’m sure your used tools include DeWalt, and not Milwaukee then, since the Dewalt line includes American made products and Milwaukee is imported.
dnschmidt
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Oh yes, there are hiring signs out everywhere here in Phoenix for ****** jobs that pay $10 an hour and have zero benefits. Personally, I don't consider these to be actual jobs by the standards of my generation and generations prior to mine. They're more like a paper route or shoveling snow was to my generation. My Grandfather worked in a union Steel Mill as a pipefitter. He made enough of money to raise 5 children, buy a house and drive a car. My Father worked for H. J. Heinz as a machinist and also was a member of a union and made enough money to buy a house, buy a car and also send me and my brother through college. I worked as a semiconductor engineer and made really good money and had every benefit known to man including a dollar for dollar matching 401K which made me rich enough to retire at 56.
Where are these jobs today? From what I can tell they don't exist. Why, because the American people let the money men **** them and move everything offshore without even a whimper. The fact the working class people here in America are anti-union is the most amazing thing I've ever seen compared to almost universal unionization in Germany where a lot of my relatives live. I worked for STMicroelectronics, a European company. When ST wanted to close a factory in France the workers burnt tires in front of the building and wouldn't let the management out of the plant. That factory still exists. When ST decided to close PF-1 here in Phoenix instead, a much better factory than the one in France, we all picked up our coats and calmly walked out the door. The America worker needs to become more militant otherwise they're going to get **** on forever.
Where are these jobs today? From what I can tell they don't exist. Why, because the American people let the money men **** them and move everything offshore without even a whimper. The fact the working class people here in America are anti-union is the most amazing thing I've ever seen compared to almost universal unionization in Germany where a lot of my relatives live. I worked for STMicroelectronics, a European company. When ST wanted to close a factory in France the workers burnt tires in front of the building and wouldn't let the management out of the plant. That factory still exists. When ST decided to close PF-1 here in Phoenix instead, a much better factory than the one in France, we all picked up our coats and calmly walked out the door. The America worker needs to become more militant otherwise they're going to get **** on forever.
kctyphoon
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My stepfather talks about this all the time.. how when he was a kid, his father worked - supported his wife at home with two kids, and all in the same year they bought a house, a car, and a boat. Nothing fancy or crazy expensive, but now many families have 2 working parents and still can't do that now.
People talk about unions like they ruined the country and "hold companies hostage". Charter communications, a hugely successful company just got the biggest tax cut in history and then announced they will not be bringing back their union workers that have been out on strike since last MARCH..
People talk about unions like they ruined the country and "hold companies hostage". Charter communications, a hugely successful company just got the biggest tax cut in history and then announced they will not be bringing back their union workers that have been out on strike since last MARCH..
LOL, I know a lot of people work for $11 an hour.
they struggle and get by. That's about it.
Getting by is not going to "make America great again" that's already been proven.
Put those tool factories near where you know the people need the jobs. No doubt they'll be lining up.
Indiana already has plenty of ****** jobs.
I disagree with your point that people who won't work for $11 won't work for $50 an hour.
We have a General Motors plant nearby that pays well as decent working conditions and benefits.
They never have a "now hiring" sign outside. In fact it's very difficult to get a job there.
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The unions are the only reason "average Joe" ever had a decent life.
Unfortunately, those days are gone forever.
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dnschmidt
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Kctyphoon, I don't mind the 1%ers talking about unions like they ruined the country and "hold companies hostage". They're suppose to think that way. But when the working man has been brainwashed into believing that ******** that's when the system falls apart. The point of a union is to insure a condition of mutually assured destruction which in the long run benefits society as a whole. Without them the companies are free to do whatever they wish and believe me they will. This is when the standard of living goes down to what it is now for the average Joe. Capitalists hating unions is business as usual. Working people hating unions is just plain stupid and weird. The power of brainwashing is never to be underestimated.
I totally agree with above,the problem today is most people get their news from fakebook or some politically biased news outlet and take it as fact.If you grew up in a union household you no otherwise and firsthand the benefits of it.
The unions didn't break these companies and industries,Regulation and overpriced ceo's that can't figure their way out of a wet paper bag did far more damage by a mile.
Well said, I couldn't agree more.
reader2580
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I work for a company that gave the unions everything they wanted and then some when the company was practically printing money. The unions didn't want to give any of it up when the company started to tank.
Standard union work week is only 35 hours. In the 1970s the union was going to strike over computerization so the company gave all union members at the time lifetime employment. Some union workers got to go home as soon as the day's production was done (with full shift pay) instead of staying until end of shift to help with cleaning and maintenance of equipment.
The company finally ended up in bankruptcy and the bankruptcy court was going to impose new union contracts unless the unions changed the contract. They gave up some things, but they still have the 35 hour work week. The company refuses to pay full rate for another five hours per week so the unions still work a 35 hour week.
I think the company would be better off with paying for a 40 hour work week as it would save a lot on benefits since fewer employees would be needed.
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As long as it's China or Japan I'm fine with it. Tawain not so much. I'm not a red white and blue chest beater. Not much made in America anymore and some of what is hadn't impressed me at all.
dnschmidt
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So, you'd rather buy from a Communist country than Taiwan. That's interesting.
bob15
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Unions were fine 100 years ago. What are they today? A corrupt-run group of people that will hold a business or government hostage.
Watched a union (machinist union) go on strike for about 2 weeks. When they came back to work, and you include their "signing bonus" for ratifying the contract, they gain absolutely nothing in wages or make-up of lost wages (and didn't gain much of anything in the contract itself either). Even the strikers admitted that it was a waste. This is the same strike that a reliable source (family member) watched the union rep throw away a bagful of cast votes without counting them because the workers needed to leave and counted stay until the end. Corruption at its finest. So why should I back a union?
Had another family member that was super-pro union watch his job go to another plant that was non-union, and the union did absolutely nothing to help help my uncle. So what exactly did all his union wages do for him? He got laid off.....
A cousin of mine worked for the highway department and waited over 30 minutes to have his sander filled by the front-end operator. After 30 minutes of waiting and watching the snow continue to fall, he got in the payloader and loaded his truck himself and went back to plowing the roads. He got written-up soon after because his brother-union-member got mad, even though he wasn't doing his job.
Sorry, I'll pass on the unions, and it isn't brainwashing, but rather firsthand experience. If you want to back them great, but for those who don't believe they are worth it anymore, don't think it from "fake news".
,Unions were fine 100 years ago. What are they today? A corrupt-run group of people that will hold a business or government hostage.
Watched a union (machinist union) go on strike for about 2 weeks. When they came back to work, and you include their "signing bonus" for ratifying the contract, they gain absolutely nothing in wages or make-up of lost wages (and didn't gain much of anything in the contract itself either). Even the strikers admitted that it was a waste. This is the same strike that a reliable source (family member) watched the union rep throw away a bagful of cast votes without counting them because the workers needed to leave and counted stay until the end. Corruption at its finest. So why should I back a union?
Had another family member that was super-pro union watch his job go to another plant that was non-union, and the union did absolutely nothing to help help my uncle. So what exactly did all his union wages do for him? He got laid off.....
A cousin of mine worked for the highway department and waited over 30 minutes to have his sander filled by the front-end operator. After 30 minutes of waiting and watching the snow continue to fall, he got in the payloader and loaded his truck himself and went back to plowing the roads. He got written-up soon after because his brother-union-member got mad, even though he wasn't doing his job.
Sorry, I'll pass on the unions, and it isn't brainwashing, but rather firsthand experience. If you want to back them great, but for those who don't believe they are worth it anymore, don't think it from "fake news".
Unions were always corrupt, but there was always something in it for "average Joe", who for the most part, enjoyed prosperity unequaled anywhere else on earth.
No more, so your wish will come true.
The future is a company that gives you some money for your services - and nothing more, not even employee protections.
Hopefully that will work out.
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...roviding-benefits-workers-disruptive-economy/
Sounds more like a race to the bottom
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Unions were fine 100 years ago. What are they today? A corrupt-run group of people that will hold a business or government hostage.
Watched a union (machinist union) go on strike for about 2 weeks. When they came back to work, and you include their "signing bonus" for ratifying the contract, they gain absolutely nothing in wages or make-up of lost wages (and didn't gain much of anything in the contract itself either). Even the strikers admitted that it was a waste. This is the same strike that a reliable source (family member) watched the union rep throw away a bagful of cast votes without counting them because the workers needed to leave and counted stay until the end. Corruption at its finest. So why should I back a union?
Had another family member that was super-pro union watch his job go to another plant that was non-union, and the union did absolutely nothing to help help my uncle. So what exactly did all his union wages do for him? He got laid off.....
A cousin of mine worked for the highway department and waited over 30 minutes to have his sander filled by the front-end operator. After 30 minutes of waiting and watching the snow continue to fall, he got in the payloader and loaded his truck himself and went back to plowing the roads. He got written-up soon after because his brother-union-member got mad, even though he wasn't doing his job.
Sorry, I'll pass on the unions, and it isn't brainwashing, but rather firsthand experience. If you want to back them great, but for those who don't believe they are worth it anymore, don't think it from "fake news".
I could give you a hundred examples of why most unions are a good thing ,how far do you want this thread to run off the rails?
xin
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Let me explain - if someone will NOT do a good job working for $11 an hour they sure ain't going to do any better at $100 an hour.
Was told many years ago, you got to get a skill/trade to survive. I think that is the missing link today (people overlook the skill/trade).
kctyphoon
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Unions were fine 100 years ago. What are they today? A corrupt-run group of people that will hold a business or government hostage.
Watched a union (machinist union) go on strike for about 2 weeks. When they came back to work, and you include their "signing bonus" for ratifying the contract, they gain absolutely nothing in wages or make-up of lost wages (and didn't gain much of anything in the contract itself either). Even the strikers admitted that it was a waste. This is the same strike that a reliable source (family member) watched the union rep throw away a bagful of cast votes without counting them because the workers needed to leave and counted stay until the end. Corruption at its finest. So why should I back a union?
Had another family member that was super-pro union watch his job go to another plant that was non-union, and the union did absolutely nothing to help help my uncle. So what exactly did all his union wages do for him? He got laid off.....
A cousin of mine worked for the highway department and waited over 30 minutes to have his sander filled by the front-end operator. After 30 minutes of waiting and watching the snow continue to fall, he got in the payloader and loaded his truck himself and went back to plowing the roads. He got written-up soon after because his brother-union-member got mad, even though he wasn't doing his job.
Sorry, I'll pass on the unions, and it isn't brainwashing, but rather firsthand experience. If you want to back them great, but for those who don't believe they are worth it anymore, don't think it from "fake news".
Great story - next time you can include what the company had proposed the employees should give up upon signing their next contract..
Since you included no details on that - I wish I had the list that my last strike was over, but I'll let you know that NOBODY that gets a new job at the multi BILLION dollar company will ever have a pension again --EVER.. I believe killing the 401k was out there in favor of some other horrible option, and about a page worth of other things we were also expected to give up.
I'll let you in on a little secret - huge companies sometimes INVITE the strikes.. they want them.. you get 6 weeks of no union payroll and healthcare expense for 35,000 employees - you just saved the company more money than youd have to spend if you gave into every demand the union made..
People like you don't realize, this is how negotiations work. The company comes out with an obscene list of stuff they want you to give up. The union counters with an even dumber list of demands. I believe "tuition assistance for immediate family members" was on our last list, basically saying we wanted the company to pay for children of employees to goto college. Lol.. we all laughed at that knowing how stupid it was, and it was obviously something thrown in their just so it could be removed later.. UNIONS DO NOT make companies go out of business. Mismanagement, over regulation and changing tides of technology do. Do you HONESTLY think that a company on the verge of bankruptcy has contract negotiations where they show that business has plummeted, there is no profit, and the unions say - we don't care we "demand a raise anyway". Thereby promising more people on the unemployment line?? The POINT of the union is to keep people employed, EVEN if it means letting some jobs go to help the bulk of the people they can. You seem to think that companies can't lock out their union workforce and bring in non union work.. they absolutely can.. how do you think unions get broken? You are OBVIOUSLY completely unfamiliar with the "needs of the business" clause inside contracts also. Myself and about 2000 people were let go because of "9/11".. it was an obvious contract manipulation to get people off payroll, and 9 months later we had our jobs back.. what would YOUR non union company have done for you in a situation like that? Could you afford the lawyers to fight for your job while you were unemployed??
It's the same game if you've ever gotten arrested. The police will charge you with the highest things they possibly can, knowing it will all be knocked down in court to something reasonsable. But you have to start high so everyone meets in the middle. In the end their is little movement either way - AND THAT IS THE GOAL. It's to make sure that if a business thrives, everyone eats instead of a CEO just giving himself 20 million dollar bonus's every year, and the board voting to give THEMSELVES raises, without doing anything (or taking things AWAY) for the workforce that made it all possible.
Being in a union does not guarantee you a job for life. Something else you dont seem to understand. But it promises you that you will be treated equally, work under safe conditions, get paid a livable scale, get overtime pay according to the law. Basically it helps keep everyone honest and do what THEY are suppose to be doing. Plus, if you ever get screwed / fired / asked to do something completely unsafe - they will fight on YOUR behalf.. you have OBVIOUSLY never been part of one - so you only know one side of it. I don't expect you to understand. The companies can do whatever they want. The union can only react in negotiations with neutral parties, arbitration, or in the worst case - a strike.. again - I don't expect you to understand. You can still be fired for ANYTHING, ANYTIME. the company can do as it pleases, but the union pools the money to help pay to protect the workforce and fight for your job if it was something you shouldn't have been fired for.
So your union employed family memeber got written up for operating equipment he's neither paid, or likely untrained to operate? He violated a COMPANY safety policy likely, and did something he was not suppose to.. the COMPANY wrote him up, not the union. Unions do not "write up" employees. And EXACTLY what happened to him afterwards??? Did he get fired? Suspended? Or, most likely - did somebody write something down on a piece of paper that got shoved in a drawer nobody will ever see again?? Whatever the outcome I promise he had a job afterwards didn't he?? Even after doing something his EMPLOYER (the company) deemed a violation of work practices. I would laugh as soon as I left that meeting.. and you're here using that as an example of why the unions are no good?? I think you proved my point for me.
And for the record, your experience isn't "firsthand" either.. "FIRSTHAND" by definition, implies you were there and were a witness to events. You're experience, at this point is a one sided story. Yes, the person who ratted him out might meet the definition of an *******, but I got news for ya - some people are assholes..
We can keep this back and forth going for another 10 pages if you guys want, on whatever topic you choose - but if your going to come on here and post stuff trying to use them as FACTS or evidence - that's what they should be. Long time ago, somebody told me that if you're going to insist taking a side, you should know wtf you're talking about.. I'll pass that same advice on to you now..
(Insert step stool emoji here) but I'll make do with this..
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You missed my point completely.
If America ever wants to have a vibrant middle class, they are going to have to do something more than "survive".
FWIW anyone with a "skill/trade" will find themselves on their ***, in a heartbeat, when someone/something comes that can do their job for less.
It happens all of the time
Just ask the General Practice Medical Doctors, who got shown the door, when they were replaced by Physicians Assistants who then get replaced by Nurse Practitioners
The Doctor is then demonized, because he can't pay his $300,000 student loan.
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FWIW 3 or 4 years ago I bought an M12 FUEL set consisting of a 1/2" drill/hammer/driver, 3/8" drive rattle gun and a stick-type LED light. They have all performed well above expectations and are still going strong.
Unless you need really serious power, do yourself a favour and try out the M12 range... it is really surprising. The Fuel Drill/Driver (1/2" drill capacity) is light and still has heaps of power for most home/workshop/light construction uses. The little 3/8" drive rattle gun will take wheels off cars no problem, it even got the crank bolts out of the flex plate of my BMW M54 engine which I did not expect.
Unless you need really serious power, do yourself a favour and try out the M12 range... it is really surprising. The Fuel Drill/Driver (1/2" drill capacity) is light and still has heaps of power for most home/workshop/light construction uses. The little 3/8" drive rattle gun will take wheels off cars no problem, it even got the crank bolts out of the flex plate of my BMW M54 engine which I did not expect.
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
My Makita tools which are few, were built in the United States. Next question.
My Makita tools which are few, were built in the United States. Next question.
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Okay, for one thing right off, you're talking about 30 years ago. I was in my early 20s. People aren't born the way they are, they evolve as they go. All the tools I bought back then were top of the line. I wasn't concerned as a 20 something to avoid mainstream American tool companies that shipped jobs to china because it was virtually unheard of back then. Japan maybe for the quality respected tools, but not China. Back in 1985 for example, Toyota was dominating the American car industry. WHY.....? Because they built a better product. Lee Iococa admitted in an interview once that the Japanese beat our asses at that time. Period. I bought some brand of table saw in the mid 1980s, that was American made. I think it was a Skil. It was a piece of ****. I wound up buying a Japanese made Makita, that lasted me quite a long time, years in fact. When it went, I replaced it with an American made table saw, by Makita. I recently bought a used American Made Makita off craigslist. Recently, I needed a multi tool pretty much on the spot. I looked at Makita..... Made in China, I looked at Dewalt..... made in china, I looked at one of my favorite brands... Porter Cable..... Made in China. I figured **** it, I'm not supporting the American companies when they ship all manufacturing to china, then expect me to buy it here in my country. I wound up paying an additional $40 to buy a German made Fein, rather than support American firms that outsource. So please don't go knocking on my ethics, or principles. I'm not perfect, but my principles are rock solid!
Okay, for one thing right off, you're talking about 30 years ago. I was in my early 20s. People aren't born the way they are, they evolve as they go. All the tools I bought back then were top of the line. I wasn't concerned as a 20 something to avoid mainstream American tool companies that shipped jobs to china because it was virtually unheard of back then. Japan maybe for the quality respected tools, but not China. Back in 1985 for example, Toyota was dominating the American car industry. WHY.....? Because they built a better product. Lee Iococa admitted in an interview once that the Japanese beat our asses at that time. Period. I bought some brand of table saw in the mid 1980s, that was American made. I think it was a Skil. It was a piece of ****. I wound up buying a Japanese made Makita, that lasted me quite a long time, years in fact. When it went, I replaced it with an American made table saw, by Makita. I recently bought a used American Made Makita off craigslist. Recently, I needed a multi tool pretty much on the spot. I looked at Makita..... Made in China, I looked at Dewalt..... made in china, I looked at one of my favorite brands... Porter Cable..... Made in China. I figured **** it, I'm not supporting the American companies when they ship all manufacturing to china, then expect me to buy it here in my country. I wound up paying an additional $40 to buy a German made Fein, rather than support American firms that outsource. So please don't go knocking on my ethics, or principles. I'm not perfect, but my principles are rock solid!
kctyphoon
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Just sayin - Dewalt and Milwaukee, both have thousands of jobs HERE that get supported by purchasing their products.. choosing to go with a foreign company that exports their products into the this country is counter productive to your morals.. supporting a foreign competitor that would love to see less American competition.. just pointing that out.
I get what your saying, and there is no perfect choice, but supporting SOME jobs is better than supporting NONE - wouldn't you agree? Items are made overseas but the companies and their employees are still HERE. Your principals might be rock solid, but your logic isn't.. remember I was pointing out how people want one thing, and their actions and support are on the complete opposite side of what they want, and they don't even realize that...??
Next ......???
I get what your saying, and there is no perfect choice, but supporting SOME jobs is better than supporting NONE - wouldn't you agree? Items are made overseas but the companies and their employees are still HERE. Your principals might be rock solid, but your logic isn't.. remember I was pointing out how people want one thing, and their actions and support are on the complete opposite side of what they want, and they don't even realize that...??
Next ......???
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Here we go again. I was at Albeni Falls building supply, a local lumber and hardware store in my area. I was looking for some metal drill bits. Found some by Milwaukee that were made in America. I bought all of them. When I go to home depot, I look for American made products all the time. My logic is solid as well. NEXT!
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Of cause.... you sounded like a president, I know of. Now you just evolved to be a China COO troll ? I am pretty sure you can look up the history what happened in the 80s.
Not sure why images are so popular ... but yea I agree with this.
Of cause.... you sounded like a president, I know of. Now you just evolved to be a China COO troll ? I am pretty sure you can look up the history what happened in the 80s.
Not sure why images are so popular ... but yea I agree with this.
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Fretters
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Honestly chaps, does it really matter? This China bashing, Made in USA **** is becoming very tiresome. Let each person stick to their own, but just without constantly ramming it down everyone elses throats on the forum. Everyone has, and is entitled to, their own opinion, but it doesn't mean any thread with an opening has to be jumped upon to air those opinions.
I prefer to buy old English equipment when I can, (though I have no qualms buying modern, quality kit, regardless of country of production), but I don't try convincing you lot that English gear is better than American, etc., or **** like that. Keep personal opinions largely that, namely personal, please.
I prefer to buy old English equipment when I can, (though I have no qualms buying modern, quality kit, regardless of country of production), but I don't try convincing you lot that English gear is better than American, etc., or **** like that. Keep personal opinions largely that, namely personal, please.
It doesn't but I just like to be the devil's advocate. remind me of that comment, "you can't be a little pregnant" from an earlier post. But COO /Sears / HF trolling is BAU here for some weird reasons.
Like I said, there are good tools, bad tools , good services and bad services and companies/brands that are just on my **** list for bad services.....
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I wasn't referring to your post specifically, just the posts in general.
I'm the same in that I have likes & dislikes, (usually garnered from experience rather than hearsay), but that type of thing doesn't seem to be relevant in a lot of posts. All this trolling/bashing which some seem intent upon serves little purpose.
just the posts in general.I'm the same in that I have likes & dislikes, (usually garnered from experience rather than hearsay), but that type of thing doesn't seem to be relevant in a lot of posts. All this trolling/bashing which some seem intent upon serves little purpose.
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bob15
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Never said they should give up their signing bonus. What I said was with their lost wages, the signing bonus was mute.
You talk about fact and yet I see a lot of BS by being brainwashed by union folks like yourself. Reality is: there is a reason union membership is in the tanks, people don't want them. And membership is probably continue to drop as younger people aren't entering union.....http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/316310-union-membership-hits-new-low
Want to read about the strike, go ahead (sorry I don't keep the contract term paperwork after 17 years): http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/nyregion/rejecting-10-raise-pratt-workers-vote-to-strike.html
With that said, you work on your side of the tracks and I will work on mine.
I wasn't referring to your post specifically,
I'm the same in that I have likes & dislikes, (usually garnered from experience rather than hearsay), but that type of thing doesn't seem to be relevant in a lot of posts. All this trolling/bashing which some seem intent upon serves little purpose.
I agree with you 100%.... It's just Cranky old man syndrome.... LOL you should read that sears thread... The guy complains that the store placed an item not at an area of his conveniences and started bashing sears... well one of the complains anyways.
finn
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You mean it was moot, not mute.
This argument gets old too.
Would it have been better for the workers to fold? No progress, either short term or, more importantly, long term, will ever come out of that strategy
Speaking of brainwashing.
Boeing (in one of the links), a very profitable company, who also gets shitloads of money from U.S. taxpayers, busts it's Unions, by moving from WA to SC, where they can pay their employees $10/hr less.
Although the real cost of living continues to increase every year everywhere, this move is seem by some, as a "win" for the American workforce, since it is indeed a boon for SC, a right work state. No doubt costs will increase locally to accommodate that newfound wealth.
This is a similar path made when the profitable garment industry left New England, for the south, then overseas.
Seeing union busting as a good thing for the American worker, reminds one of how the North Koreans, think they have a pretty good life.
jonesg
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
I watched a documentary on youtube about the leader of the miners union in the uk, scargill.
He was a very militant communist and accelerated the demise of the mines.
There are other players involved in the usa, the gvmnt environmental protection agency, which was weaponized by the left and used to step on the oxygen pipe of business.
The OSHA safety board that made it impossible for me to hire apprentices.
unions played their part but I suspect any business that goes union are just getting what they deserve, workers often need to protect themselves. Their greivances are easily manipulated by the left into resenting industry.
Hence when you hear "the rich corporation".
And down they both go in a toxic death spiral and the communist Chinese win.
With the past election there's been a regime change, the new president is polar opposite to the previous one, he's already started defanging the anti business EPA . He's also putting tarrifs on cheap Chinese imports.
Business investment is flooding back again from corp offshore accounts.
So there's a reset, industry will come back.
Your country is the same as ours. Unions have been responsible for a lot of damage to industry, (take the coal mining industry over here as a prime example. The person running/fronting the union profited handsomely, whilst an entire way of life was decimated due partly/mainly to the union), coupled with workers expectations as to worth becoming unrealistic. Also, younger generations seem largely unwilling to get their hands dirty. All self inflicted injuries, IMHO.
If people didn't constantly want to earn more and pay less, industry might still be alive & well & offshore production might be less. I have pride in our industrial heritage & the stuff we once produced, but I'm not blinkered to simple fact. Past is past. Plus, there was plenty of homegrown shite produced too, as well as the better stuff.
I watched a documentary on youtube about the leader of the miners union in the uk, scargill.
He was a very militant communist and accelerated the demise of the mines.
There are other players involved in the usa, the gvmnt environmental protection agency, which was weaponized by the left and used to step on the oxygen pipe of business.
The OSHA safety board that made it impossible for me to hire apprentices.
unions played their part but I suspect any business that goes union are just getting what they deserve, workers often need to protect themselves. Their greivances are easily manipulated by the left into resenting industry.
Hence when you hear "the rich corporation".
And down they both go in a toxic death spiral and the communist Chinese win.
With the past election there's been a regime change, the new president is polar opposite to the previous one, he's already started defanging the anti business EPA . He's also putting tarrifs on cheap Chinese imports.
Business investment is flooding back again from corp offshore accounts.
So there's a reset, industry will come back.
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