Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Bob Heine's Auto Emporium

[jimreed2160]

That Bora gizmo looks like it is a real router tamer. In spite of my garage full of ww tools, I always seem to be missing something handy.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I like that Bora Bora thingy.

I bet you can run that router one handed with that thing.

 

[don long]

Bob
I just covered the last 3 pages of your thread (since my last post)
I have been laughing for the last 30 minutes. You guys are hilarious

Nice lil hammer

My arms have recovered and my finger prints are coming back as I have finished the Vette and it waits for the trim shop to call.

I'm looking at my wood shop with more interest lately

 

[Bob Heine]

I haven't had a carpenter visit my home in more than 40 years.

Not long to wait now Bob, your government has deemed my family and I as low risk reprobates and approved our ESTA's, or they liked the look of my $42.
Only one problem I'll come baring tea bags not my tool bag.

Steve

Steve, thank you for reminding me that our passports expired in 2013. I have to get them renewed by July 2018 or there is a whole new set of hoops to jump through. If we're not here when you arrive, contact Guantanamo directory assistance.

I'm hoping you are bringing the beverage kind of tea bags because I've heard there are some other less pleasant meanings.

That Bora gizmo looks like it is a real router tamer. In spite of my garage full of ww tools, I always seem to be missing something handy.

Jim, I am pleasantly surprised how well it works, especially for the price. If I were smart I would buy more expensive solutions but I want too many things right now. One expensive tool precludes the purchase of three or four cheaper ones.

I like that Bora Bora thingy.

I bet you can run that router one handed with that thing.

Andy, you just won a chance at what's behind that door. This is the first time I have successfully routed anything straight on the first try.

Bob
I just covered the last 3 pages of your thread (since my last post)
I have been laughing for the last 30 minutes. You guys are hilarious

Nice lil hammer

My arms have recovered and my finger prints are coming back as I have finished the Vette and it waits for the trim shop to call.

I'm looking at my wood shop with more interest lately

Don, I'm glad you had a good laugh. Sending the Vette off to the trim shop must have been a sad moment but knowing it will come back ready to travel is a good thing.

I have another wood shop update that may be of interest....

 

[ODIS]

So much going on here! Looks like you are having a ton of fun too.

Looking forward to seeing the your next woodworking project.

Our best to you,

ODIS

 

[Bob Heine]

I decided to buy a new router. Then I decided to buy a router table. Then things got interesting.

Both my Craftsman routers (1HP and 2HP) have 1/4-inch collets (as does the Ryobi laminate trimmer). A lot of the larger router bits are only available in 1/2-inch versions. I decided I NEED a router with a 1/2-inch collet. The obvious choice for me was a Porter Cable Model 690LR, which comes with both size collets and everyone seems to offer accessories for Porter Cable routers. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005QEVQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Norm Abrams I'm not but this is now my collection of routers.

I didn't think this through very well. That Porter Cable router solves one problem (1/2-inch collet) but creates a new one. The mounting pattern for the Craftsman router table doesn't even come close to matching the Porter Cable router. OK, no big deal, I'll just buy another table. Well that is going to be expensive. I could just buy a mounting plate but then I need to do something about a fence, tracks, tabletop and guards and....

OK, I'll buy a ready-made table and base. I like what Rockler has to offer but they show a lift mechanism that would be cool. When I start adding up the table, stand, lift and fence accessories, I'm over $500.

After a few days of searching, I found a lift for $52 and my jaw dropped. It's made for a Bosch router. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007VHPFK/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Better yet, Bosch sells a cabinet-style table with accessories for $139 and that lift is made for it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000H14DLY/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I am on a roll when I find that Bosch sells a reconditioned 2-1/4HP variable speed router for another $139. It has enough power to handle those big bits and comes with both 1/4- and 1/2-inch collets. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000056TAM/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Well, I'm not too mad because I can put the 1/2-inch collet in that Porter Cable router and use it as a scary hand-held (those bushings fit just fine in its standard base. This means I can have a router table set up and ready to use all the time.

Now I need to design a box for this router cabinet to sit on as well as one for the table saw. Once both boxes are on wheels and the work surfaces are aligned, I'll have easy to set up outfeed tables for both the saw and the router. Hopefully they'll fit under the bench! I better go back and look at Woody's Works Garage -- he made some neat stands for his woodworking machines.

 

[Craptain]

So did you get the Bosch set up? It wasn't clear. Being Bob, I am sure you did.
I will have to put a family photo together with my routers. Mine consist, of Craftsman laminate trimmer, Porter Cable mid size, (same as yours) and Freud is the big gun. I can't remember what my table is, but I bought it on clearance at Lowe's, and it has a very good fence and dust extraction. I think it's Bosch.

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[sawduststeve]

I'm hoping you are bringing the beverage kind of tea bags because I've heard there are some other less pleasant meanings.

Now there's an image thats gonna give me nightmares. A very childish sense of humour, are you sure there's no English in you.

Your router collection seems to be gathering pace nicely.
I've always found Bosch tools to be very good quality, and a finely adjustable lift on a router table invaluable. Good work Bob

 

[bj383ss]

Bob this is getting scary! Did those recent termites bite you while you were sleeping and now you have a thirst for working with wood?

Bret

 

[Bob Heine]

So did you get the Bosch set up? It wasn't clear. Being Bob, I am sure you did.
I will have to put a family photo together with my routers. Mine consist, of Craftsman laminate trimmer, Porter Cable mid size, (same as yours) and Freud is the big gun. I can't remember what my table is, but I bought it on clearance at Lowe's, and it has a very good fence and dust extraction. I think it's Bosch.

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Andrew, ye of little faith. The cabinet/table arrived Saturday but I took an additional day to assemble it. I followed the instructions but didn't read one step all the way to its end. Had to take it apart to assemble it correctly and three screws fell off the WorkMate. Found two right away but the third simply disappeared. Rather than have a meltdown, I returned Sunday and didn't try to find the screw. Six feet in the opposite direction from the first two was the missing screw under the vice up against the toolbox.

It has two dust extraction ports, one at the bit and another in the cabinet, with the power cord notch.

The other nice feature is the power switch. The switch controls two outlets inside the cabinet so you can control the shop vacuum along with the router. That's an add-on to any of the other cabinet/table setups I looked at. The shield above the router bit is another nice feature but best of all are two feather boards which can both be mounted on the vertical fence or one on the vertical fence and the other in the table track.

I don't have the lift or the Bosch router (they are scheduled to arrive Monday) so the inside of the cabinet will have a lot less storage space but it will be a better place to store bits and accessories than the cabinet on the wall.

I'm hoping you are bringing the beverage kind of tea bags because I've heard there are some other less pleasant meanings.

Now there's an image thats gonna give me nightmares. A very childish sense of humour, are you sure there's no English in you.

Your router collection seems to be gathering pace nicely.
I've always found Bosch tools to be very good quality, and a finely adjustable lift on a router table invaluable. Good work Bob

Oh Steve, there's more than a little English in me. My mother was born in Bournville in 1912.

I have always admired Bosch tools but they were always too high-end for me. The prices on these items surprised me.

Bob this is getting scary! Did those recent termites bite you while you were sleeping and now you have a thirst for working with wood?

Bret

Bret, it really is scary but I think you and a couple of others put the bite on me. I don't expect to achieve your results but I am willing to take the plunge -- well, maybe the plunge router will stay on that old Craftsman table.

 

[shortykorte]

Nice new, shiny. Me like.

Bob when the lift comes in could you provide the inside diameter? I want to see if my router will work with it.


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[oldironfarmer]

Are you having internet trouble? Somebody said something about you needing a new router...

 

[1/2 Cup]

Are you having internet trouble? Somebody said something about you needing a new router...

Andy, Andy, Andy

 

[jimreed2160]

Just, WOW! Now we all want one.

 

[Guster]

Router, benchtop table and lift looks like a very nice deal Bob. Have to admit I had a good look and got lost down the rabbit hole very quickly after browsing some(or all) of the Amazon suggestions at the bottom of the page.

Like you I have a generic router table kit(Triton) that was left for me by someone leaving the country. I’ve fiddled with it to make my Makita router fit but it was no easy job. As such I’ve only used it once and it was neither easy or very good to use. The table is solid but uses little toe clamps to mount the router base which turns out to be a terrible idea as they kept vibrating loose. I was actually glad I managed to reach under and catch my router before it fell on concrete before realising it is still running!!! Adjustments were tedious and in the end I spent over 2 hours to get it to do a 10minute job. Other than making a whole new adapter plate, a solid mount and a nice lift mechanism alone would have made a tremendous difference. The next thing that came to mind is that this thing needs to have an extractor fitted. Those featherboards on your's are a nice touch too.

Now seeing the track guide for the router in action looks great. I may have look into making a base plate for my router, adapted to a commonly available track or suitable substitute at some stage. More than a few times I would have loved to have that option.

 

[Bob Heine]

Nice new, shiny. Me like.

Bob when the lift comes in could you provide the inside diameter? I want to see if my router will work with it.

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Stewart, the lift arrived today and I measured it. The opening is 3.5-inches in diameter. It appears to be a standard size because my new Porter Cable router fits the Bosch lift base opening. The diameter is the same but the alignment mechanisms for the two routers are different. The Bosch lift is not only designed for the Bosch router, the base for that router is also the base for the lift. Only difference is the one that comes with the router has two wooden knobs and a plastic baseplate. Bosch doesn't show the adjustment and clamp side of the base in their photos. Here it is sitting on the Porter Cable motor assembly, which has alignment pins around its circumference.

I was upset when I thought I bought an unnecessary base but it isn't that big a deal. I can leave the handle-free lift mounted to the Bosch table. When I want to use the router as a portable, just remove the motor and put it in the handled base. Not to mention that I have two allen adjustment keys.

Are you having internet trouble? Somebody said something about you needing a new router...

Andy, how did you know I was having internet trouble? Did someone say something?

Andy, Andy, Andy

Just, WOW! Now we all want one.

Jim, this isn't a professional setup but for home use I'm impressed. It's hard to beat $278 for a stand-alone router and table setup. The most common negative comments were about the metal (aluminum) insert not being perfectly flat. Seems to me if that's your big complaint, go to a machine shop and have them mill a one-off perfect one.

 

[Bob Heine]

Router, benchtop table and lift looks like a very nice deal Bob. Have to admit I had a good look and got lost down the rabbit hole very quickly after browsing some(or all) of the Amazon suggestions at the bottom of the page.

Like you I have a generic router table kit(Triton) that was left for me by someone leaving the country. I’ve fiddled with it to make my Makita router fit but it was no easy job. As such I’ve only used it once and it was neither easy or very good to use. The table is solid but uses little toe clamps to mount the router base which turns out to be a terrible idea as they kept vibrating loose. I was actually glad I managed to reach under and catch my router before it fell on concrete before realising it is still running!!! Adjustments were tedious and in the end I spent over 2 hours to get it to do a 10minute job. Other than making a whole new adapter plate, a solid mount and a nice lift mechanism alone would have made a tremendous difference. The next thing that came to mind is that this thing needs to have an extractor fitted. Those featherboards on your's are a nice touch too.

Now seeing the track guide for the router in action looks great. I may have look into making a base plate for my router, adapted to a commonly available track or suitable substitute at some stage. More than a few times I would have loved to have that option.

Guster, I have played with the Craftsman table but had about the same result as you. I was willing to upgrade to a better setup but I hold on to my money too tightly to spend $1,000 to make a piece of molding.

The track guide is a winner and it actually can be adjusted to fit different plain tracks but not the track saw tracks I've looked at. I am sure, with your machining skills that a very nice version would be a piece of cake.

 

[Guster]

Guster, I have played with the Craftsman table but had about the same result as you. I was willing to upgrade to a better setup but I hold on to my money too tightly to spend $1,000 to make a piece of molding.

The track guide is a winner and it actually can be adjusted to fit different plain tracks but not the track saw tracks I've looked at. I am sure, with your machining skills that a very nice version would be a piece of cake.

I also don’t have the space for a permanent router table. For the same reason I don’t have a tablesaw or a radial arm saw. The Triton table is easy to pack up and store at least. Perhaps a reason to get a router that supports a through base height adjustment to make a decent table insert for at some stage.

A track jig is already added to the bottom of my project list in an ever losing battle of attrition. My friend always remind me how much working in an office is a waste of my talent. Unfortunately my basic talents suffer the same problem most people suffer. They didn’t come with time and funding to fully abuse them(aside from the important things to look after like putting my kids through school and paying the bank for renting my house to me) Besides, this site is like a gateway drug for my addictions with daily reminders of what I still want to do with my spare time. Going by that analogy I guess that makes you, Bob, one of my ‘suppliers’ and me one of Bob’s junkies! I’ll quit tomorrow… maybe after I check Andy’s thread.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I also don’t have the space for a permanent router table. For the same reason I don’t have a tablesaw or a radial arm saw. The Triton table is easy to pack up and store at least. Perhaps a reason to get a router that supports a through base height adjustment to make a decent table insert for at some stage.

A track jig is already added to the bottom of my project list in an ever losing battle of attrition. My friend always remind me how much working in an office is a waste of my talent. Unfortunately my basic talents suffer the same problem most people suffer. They didn’t come with time and funding to fully abuse them(aside from the important things to look after like putting my kids through school and paying the bank for renting my house to me) Besides, this site is like a gateway drug for my addictions with daily reminders of what I still want to do with my spare time. Going by that analogy I guess that makes you, Bob, one of my ‘suppliers’ and me one of Bob’s junkies! I’ll quit tomorrow… maybe after I check Andy’s thread.

My name is Andy.

I am on GJ. I am a Garage Junkie.

I'm not yet ready to try to quit.

I am hopeless.

 

[1/2 Cup]

My name is Andy.

I am on GJ. I am a Garage Junkie.

I'm not yet ready to try to quit.

I am hopeless.

No comment..

 

[jbmatth]

Me-"I'll quite my garage junkie habit when I get all of my projects done."

Me (5 minutes later)-"Let me see what I can find interesting on Craigslist."

JB

 

[rmalkow2]

Me (5 minutes later)-"Let me see what I can find interesting on Craigslist."

JB

That sounds very familiar. But someday others hunting Craigslist will be shopping in my back yard.

 

[Bob Heine]

I also don’t have the space for a permanent router table. For the same reason I don’t have a tablesaw or a radial arm saw. The Triton table is easy to pack up and store at least. Perhaps a reason to get a router that supports a through base height adjustment to make a decent table insert for at some stage.

A track jig is already added to the bottom of my project list in an ever losing battle of attrition. My friend always remind me how much working in an office is a waste of my talent. Unfortunately my basic talents suffer the same problem most people suffer. They didn’t come with time and funding to fully abuse them(aside from the important things to look after like putting my kids through school and paying the bank for renting my house to me) Besides, this site is like a gateway drug for my addictions with daily reminders of what I still want to do with my spare time. Going by that analogy I guess that makes you, Bob, one of my ‘suppliers’ and me one of Bob’s junkies! I’ll quit tomorrow… maybe after I check Andy’s thread.

Guster, I completely understand the space constraints. At the moment my workshop is getting frighteningly crowded. That being said, I have the radial arm saw in the middle of a 12-foot bench and the height of that determined the space under the bench, which is just high enough for a small table saw on a stand.

If I lose the cart next to the table saw, which is storing my blasting media, there is a perfect spot for the router table and base.

Can I interest you in a nice Festool router? The first taste, I mean tool, is quite reasonable and you don't have to pay me right away. I don't take Festool myself but I am happy to get you started.

My name is Andy.

I am on GJ. I am a Garage Junkie.

I'm not yet ready to try to quit.

I am hopeless.

Andy, you aren't fooling me. I'm just a low-level dealer in HF fixes. You're the kingpin dealing smack with handles.

No comment..

Me-"I'll quite my garage junkie habit when I get all of my projects done."

Me (5 minutes later)-"Let me see what I can find interesting on Craigslist."

JB

JB, have you met Craig? He deals Vidmar and Lista down in Southwest Florida. On the street he goes by CBacres.

That sounds very familiar. But someday others hunting Craigslist will be shopping in my back yard.

Bob, I'm going to keep my eye out for Malkowslist.

 

[Bob Heine]

One of my small annoyances is wringing out microfiber towels. Because I can't twist them without getting soaking wet, I have to settle for just squeezing them. That means they are only good for drying a couple of panels. Washing one car left me with five towels hanging on the line. The two big ones hold so much water it took two days for them to dry after I gave them my best squeeze.

Growing up in the early 1950s most people didn't have automatic washing machines. Some had a wash tub with an agitator and a second smaller tub to spin the water out of the clothes after you finished washing and rinsing the load (that was our first machine in 1962). The other kind of washing machine had the big tub with agitator and a wringer mounted on one side (my mother had one of those).

I thought the solution to my towel wringing problem was one of those wringers. Turns out they are available but start in the $130 range and go up from there. Here's a link to some of the ones Amazon offers:

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&k...vtargid=kwd-2674006221&ref=pd_sl_5xgqtju9iq_e

Pretty much the same price range on eBay unless you specify used wringer. I found one that looked sturdy and well used. It arrived today:

I was thinking about just using it as is because it works quite well -- clamped to the side of a 5-gallon bucket (stabilized with a few gallons of water). I realized I have friends in nice places who would frown on this level of restoration so I disassembled it and put the rusty bits in the ultrasonic cleaner with Evapo-Rust. A few minutes in the bead blaster and it will be ready for primer and paint. I'm thinking black lacquer (I have two gallons of the stuff).

 

[Finallygotit]

......JB, have you met Craig? He deals Vidmar and Lista down in Southwest Florida. On the street he goes by CBacres.......

JB, don't do it, please don't do it.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Oh the hand wringing that goes on here.

Why do I even bother to stop by?

Oh, I remember, because Bob always makes me feel better about myself.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Bob, way to go with the wringer.

I haven't seen one for years, my Dad used to run a washing machine repair business years ago and they were very common back then..

 

[bj383ss]

Bob I see you have the Chemical guys drying towels. I love those things but yes they take forever to dry. I have 2 and need like 4 more. I can dry the Camaro with 1 but, the truck and the wife's car take 2 towels. Now I need a wringer!

Bret

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bob my dad had one arm smaller than the other (not shorter) from trying to pick a piece of lint off of washing machine rollers when he was seven. Watch out they bite! We are in our second childhood after all. Who knows if we are old enough to be playing with hand operated machinery even? Don't let Andy get near it if he stops over. It may cause his funny bone to end up lame.

 

[jbmatth]

JB, don't do it, please don't do it.

No problem there, I don't want to travel that far for cabinets. I will be around Atlanta this summer, but my truck will already be too full to add more cool stuff.

 

[oldironfarmer]

They looked like the free HF towels to me. I have some but have yet to use them, my cars like to streak.

 

[rmalkow2]

Old time hand operated wringer, what a great idea to bring back old tech and make it new again. Seems like it will be perfect for the job and, should look really good in black lacquer. Along with 12 other projects so you can use up those 2 gallons.

 

[shortykorte]

Whenever I need a pick me up, I stop in for a hit of sensibility.


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[xtremek]

Back when I was younger, I looked for a ringer to squeeze out my shammy. Nice score.

 

[Bob Heine]

JB, don't do it, please don't do it.

Listen to your friend JB. Dan, thanks for stopping by!

Oh the hand wringing that goes on here.

Why do I even bother to stop by?

Oh, I remember, because Bob always makes me feel better about myself.

Andy, we're family so you are obligated to stop by.

Bob, way to go with the wringer.

I haven't seen one for years, my Dad used to run a washing machine repair business years ago and they were very common back then..

Steve, I have wanted one for a long time but the new ones are too expensive for me. This one is stupid simple and appears to have been around for quite a while.

Bob I see you have the Chemical guys drying towels. I love those things but yes they take forever to dry. I have 2 and need like 4 more. I can dry the Camaro with 1 but, the truck and the wife's car take 2 towels. Now I need a wringer!

Bret

Bret, those towels are amazing. I end up using two on the Cadillac but the PT Cruiser and Vette can be done with one. I'm hoping the wringer will help me do each car with one. I bought three and I am running out of space to store them.

Bob my dad had one arm smaller than the other (not shorter) from trying to pick a piece of lint off of washing machine rollers when he was seven. Watch out they bite! We are in our second childhood after all. Who knows if we are old enough to be playing with hand operated machinery even? Don't let Andy get near it if he stops over. It may cause his funny bone to end up lame.

Bobby, I was too short to get my hand in the wringer but the Hoover upright vacuum answered my question: "What's under there?" One fingernail turned black and eventually fell off. I consider it a valuable lesson because it kept me from trying that on our first rotary lawnmower.

A lot of people feel sorry for folks with one arm missing but there are benefits. As long as I turn the crank with my hand I'm safe around the wringer. OK, as long as I don't use it when I'm naked.

No problem there, I don't want to travel that far for cabinets. I will be around Atlanta this summer, but my truck will already be too full to add more cool stuff.

JB, you survived a serious bite from a Cobra so I am confident you can say no to the Vidmar/Lista pushers.

They looked like the free HF towels to me. I have some but have yet to use them, my cars like to streak.

Andy, I think the biggest Harbor Freight microfiber towels are 16" x 16". Those Chemical Guys towels are 36" x 25" with **** carpet thick pile. Pretty sure they will dehydrate you if they gets too close to your mouth.

Old time hand operated wringer, what a great idea to bring back old tech and make it new again. Seems like it will be perfect for the job and, should look really good in black lacquer. Along with 12 other projects so you can use up those 2 gallons.

Bob, I am thinking of making a dozen wooden boxes with 40 or 50 coats of black lacquer. Pretty sure I have a gallon of black lacquer primer as well. Old School makes me feel younger.

Whenever I need a pick me up, I stop in for a hit of sensibility.


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Stewart, you are welcome to all my excess sensibility. Always great to have you stop by and comment.

Back when I was younger, I looked for a ringer to squeeze out my shammy. Nice score.

Kirk, its funny that they are making a comeback but the prices are crazy. Even $35 for this one made me cringe (OK, the $15 shipping helped as well) but I figured they weren't going down in price any time soon.

 

[Bob Heine]

Took the wringer apart and after a quick wash with Simple Green soap, the rusty parts went into the warm Evapo-Rust bath in the ultrasonic cleaner. Gave the handle and roller shafts a quick cleanup and another Simple Green cleaning.

Decided to give the handle a little love and put a coat of Tung Oil on it. I use a high-tech application technique on small parts:

• Paper medicine cup to hold a teaspoon of Tung Oil
• Q-Tip to apply Tung Oil

There was still a little Tung Oil in the bottom of the cup so my wood handle soft-edge screwdriver (for pushing stuff I don't want to scratch or puncture) got a quick coat as well.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Did you coat the rollers with tung oil?

I went to therapy today. Doc asked "why you back?" I told him about the mental naker-bob-wringer picture and he was on the couch for twenty minutes. It worked pretty well, I just kept asking "and why do you feel that way". He let it all out. In the end we hugged and he told me to warn you to keep your nose out of the wringer, naked or not.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Nice job Bob on the wringer. As for working naked around machinery I knew a guy in high school they called HP who lost half of something to a vacuum cleaner on the wrong end. We all thought it was a nasty roomer. Went I started my aircraft apprenticeship I worked with his father who confirmed it was true. I still cringe to think about it. You were lucky! VERY INTERSTING?

 

[1/2 Cup]

Bob, your wringer is cleaning up nicely.

Not a very good picture but I have an old cast iron framed mangle wringer..
It may be a bit big for your needs but it still works well.


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[Craptain]

Whenever I need a pick me up, I stop in for a hit of sensibility.


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Please tell me. Just where do you find that around here? Surely not this thread.

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