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That's an interesting question, CRTDI. I always thought it was a New Britain logo, at the corporate level, if you will, above the brands, but Alloy Artifacts unequivocally states that it stands for 'NONE BETTER'. I am not so sure. Tools branded with either the blocky 'NONE BETTER' brand or the fancy script 'New Britain' brand are straightforward. It's tools like this, without either of those brands, and only the Circle-NB logo that I am not sure of.
 
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My assumption has been that the tools with the NB in the circle were None Better, and New Britain were so marked. Username sent me this 21/32” Chrome but I see that your set came with one.
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As I said, I'm not convinced of that, Don. The fancy script "New Britain" line is clearly distinct from the blocky "NONE BETTER" line of the same era (late 1930's and 40's). And there is no doubt about earlier (late 1920's, early 1930's) "NONE BETTER" tools. But AA’s TM research is incomplete and not nearly detailed enough, and their terminology is inaccurate. For example, there are actually two different "NB" trademarks: one where the letters are in the shape of a circle, and another where the letters are in the shape of a circle, surrounded by a circle, including the words "New Britain" and the words "NONE BETTER." AA doesn't even distinguish them.

But rather than take my word for it, here is a chronological review of the pertinent New Britain Machine Company trademark history.

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They filed an application to trademark the letters “NB”, in the shape of a circle, inside a circle, with the words “New Britain” above it, and the words “NONE BETTER” below it, on December 17, 1919. First use July 1919. It was registered (#133,171) on July 13, 1920. (AA doesn't include this TM in their TM table.) Link to TSDR page with certificate here.

They filed an application to trademark the letters “NB” in the shape of a circle, with no circle around it, and no other words above or below it, on May 8, 1920. This application makes no mention of the term “NONE BETTER.” First use April 1920. It was registered (#137,346) on November 23, 1920. (AA doesn't include this TM in their TM table.) Link here.

They filed an application to trademark the words “New Britain”, “NONE BETTER”, and “Socket Wrench Set” along with a drawing depicting a socket wrench set, on October 9, 1923. First use September 1923. It was registered (#185,962) on July 1, 1924. (AA does not include this TM in their TM table.) Link here.

They filed an application to trademark the letters “NB” in the shape of a circle, with no other words above or below it (looking identical to their July 2, 1920 TM# 137,346), on July 2, 1924. Notice that this was the day after the prior trademark was awarded. Also, note that this application makes no mention of the term “NONE BETTER.” Unlike TM#137,346, it lists all the machines they built (i.e., “screw, mortising, chucking,” etc), as well as “wrenches, and sockets sets”. I am guessing this list of goods is what prompted the new application. First use a vague 1919. It was registered (#195,032) on February 17, 1925. (For some reason, this is the only TM that AA includes in their TM table.) Link here.
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When you strip away all the TM app and registration dates, and just look at their first use claims, they were using the solitary or stand-alone circular “NB” logo and the circular NB logo inside a circle with the words “New Britain” and “NONE BETTER” since 1919. But there is no indication in any of the applications that the “NB” – solitary, or inside the circle accompanied by New Britain and NONE BETTER – stood exclusively for New Britain or NONE BETTER.

I just can't find anything in the TM record to back up AA's conclusion that the “NB” in the logo stands exclusively for NONE BETTER. In fact, since NONE BETTER is already a play on New Britain, the suggestion is that it stands for both.

EDIT: To put a fine point on it... Even if there was a decal on the lid of the set I just found with the expanded Circle-NB logo, including "New Britain" and "NONE BETTER", I would have a hard time reading the Circle-NB logos on the sockets as exclusively NONE BETTER. I still think it's meant to be bigger than brand, the USPTO TM data backs that up, and I haven't seen anything that disputes it.
 
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You are probably right. I’ve based my opinion on my own found examples and it seems that once they moved into the 40s each brand, None Better, New Britain and Husky were pretty clearly marked. My earliest None Better set had no manufacturers markings whatsoever. I was only able to figure out who made them by consulting AA. Here are some pictures.
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Here are New Britain and None Better 1/4” drive sets. You can barely see the None Better label in the last picture.
 

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Here is a New Britain ad from 1946 that I found on the internet. That ratchet looks pretty familiar.
-Don
 

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Tin Medic generously sent me a correct 9/16” and spare 7/16” socket for my double knurl New Britain 1/2” drive set. Hopefully more pieces will be arriving soon.
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Today a 31/32” socket arrived from Username and an eBay seller supplied the u-joint. It’s coming along but I’m still looking for a 13/16” socket. An eBay seller flaked out on me.
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Picked up this Husky set this past weekend and got it cleaned up. What little paint was left came off while cleaning. Gonna have to try and find a close match to the original color.

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I'll post some close-ups of my box later. And I'd be willing to ship it to you if you want to get that serious about paint-matching (and if you pay for the round trip! :)). It's an olive drab green, much closer to gray, with more blue than yellow. And it's a crinkle finish.
 

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I'll post some close-ups of my box later. And I'd be willing to ship it to you if you want to get that serious about paint-matching (and if you pay for the round trip! :)). It's an olive drab green, much closer to gray, with more blue than yellow. And it's a crinkle finish.

Definitely! Send me a PM with what you need and I’ll make it happen. Thanks!
 

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Here are some pics. (It's in the middle in Pic 1, surrounded by other green boxes. The SW is Kelly green. The others are OD. You can see how it's even drabber and grayer than OD, but it's definitely green.)

If you want me to ship the empty box, just PM me your address. It's pretty light and shouldn't cost too much. I'll PM my address to you and then you can ship it back when you're done with it.
 

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Here are some pics. (It's in the middle in Pic 1, surrounded by other green boxes. The SW is Kelly green. The others are OD. You can see how it's even drabber and grayer than OD, but it's definitely green.)

If you want me to ship the empty box, just PM me your address. It's pretty light and shouldn't cost too much. I'll PM my address to you and then you can ship it back when you're done with it.

Thanks for the pics. I think the pictures you provided are good enough to come up with a close match, especially with the other colors there for comparison. As soon as I come up with something I’ll post my results. Thanks again.
 

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My double knurl 1/2” drive set is getting to be more complete, little by little. A sliding tee arrived today and I have an extension on the way.
-Don
 

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I picked up this pair of New Britain brake tools today. Excerpt from 1940 catalog.
 

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Today a 31/32” socket arrived from Username and an eBay seller supplied the u-joint. It’s coming along but I’m still looking for a 13/16” socket. An eBay seller flaked out on me.

-Don



Damn! I picked you up a 13/16 at the flea market today, but it's a single knurled band socket. It's still yours if you want it for a place holder.


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Damn! I picked you up a 13/16 at the flea market today, but it's a single knurled band socket. It's still yours if you want it for a place holder.


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You bet. I’ve been striking out on that size. Need any S-K sockets yet?
-Don
 

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Speaking of New Britain, I found a pair of 8” pliers that will be going into a friends New Britain based GMTK.
-Don
 

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The eBay extension arrived and Catfish Dan generously sent me a 13/16” socket that I was unable to find. With a flex handle and a couple more tweaks the late ‘40s set will soon be complete.
-Don
 

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Speaking of New Britain, I found a pair of 8” pliers that will be going into a friends New Britain based GMTK.
-Don

Cool set jeep!
You know I just realized, I cant recall ever seeing a NB pair of slip joints.
Not a big deal until you think how slip joint pliers are one of the most common tools .
Every decent flea has at least a dozen pairs.
 

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The gentleman I traded the pliers to sent me this pair of double knurl sockets today. I now have all the sizes the set would have come with. I just need to unite these with my 18” flex handle that resides in my GMTK.
-Don
 

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I bought a few vintage catalogs and magazines at the flea market yesterday, including a February 1948 issue of Automotive Digest that included this full-page New Britain ad. Nothing especially new or illuminating about it, just neat vintage paper eye candy! :)
 

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Nut spinner set. Bought it because still had crossbar.
 

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Nut spinner set. Bought it because still had crossbar.

What size drive is that set? Is the crossbar marked? My 1/4” drive crossbars are marked New Britain. I wonder if they did that in all drive sizes?
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Thanks. Notlob mentioned that he has one matching a 1/2” drive flex handle. Maybe if he sees this he can let us know about his or better yet post a picture. I’d like to know which style I need for my late ‘40s 1/2” drive set.
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I found this New Britain drill gage at the flea market this morning.

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The problem is it was attached to this big honking glass-windowed cabinet that I have no idea what to do with! :wtf:

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I will be posting more photos when I get it home!
 

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I found this New Britain drill gage at the flea market this morning.

The problem is it was attached to this big honking glass-windowed cabinet that I have no idea what to do with! :wtf:

Looks like you have two options.
You can cut the legs off and make a steam-punk coffee table, or you can make a lamp out of it.
Surprised you even had to ask.
 

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You guys are killing me! I guess I walked right into these with my attempt at humor.

It's going to go in the Lugzsonian as a decoration. I would actually consider using it like a large index, to store drill bits, but I don't want to be lifting the glass up and down too often.

I didn't get home in time to take pics outside in some good light. Pics to come tomorrow (hopefully).
 

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Here are some more photos of the High Speed Drill cabinet and some analysis.

The cabinet is 26" W x 13" H x 13" D. The color is somewhere between copper and brown and the branding across the bottom edge, under the glass lid, reflects that motif. I am happy with the condition. The branding on top is marred by some staining and a spot or two of rust. And there are some other areas of rust to address, but overall, it looks pretty danged good and it is structurally very sound.

The "SAFETY GLASS" lid has one of those simple slide arms that you have to simply nudge to engage or disengage on or off of a retaining nut by hand to either open or close. As you can see, it does not open very far, requiring some bending and careful dexterity to reach in and remove a bit, increasing my reluctance to use it as a drill index for my user drill bits. (I do not collect vintage drill bits.)

I originally thought this was 1940's, but now I am convinced I was wrong. I think it's a 1950's cabinet. It contains shallow finger grab compartments for High Speed Drills from 1/16" (HSD-100) to 1/2" (HSD-156), and that range with those part numbers does appear as early as the 1940 catalog. But the font of the script "New Britain" logo in 1940 did not have the exaggerated serifs. They were clipped.

That range and those part numbers also appear in the 1953 catalog, and the font of the script "New Britain" logo in that catalog is a spittin' image match to the font on this cabinet.

Furthermore, while this is not evidence of production, I discovered that a scrap piece of paper scotch-taped to the back with emergency telephone numbers scrawled on it had a number in the old phonetic system introduced by AT&T in 1955.

One side-note - it's interesting that it also has a NAPA sticker on it. That is from much later, but New Britain was a NAPA member since at least 1940.

Enjoy!
 

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Here is a scan from the 1953 cat. I didn't make one of the same listing in the 1940 cat, but, as I said, the logo serifs are all very much more clipped in that one
 

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Lug: I know it's hard to keep and use all the cool stuff you find, but that drill bit holder could maybe even go inside the house to show off some of your smaller gems with that cool patina and the metal framed glass it certainly has COOL POINTS.

or trade for something you like better to someone that has room on their bench to use it as it was designed.

nice find!!
 
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