The VISES of Garage Journal

[oldldh]

The problem with many folks is they think that they know it all...

Some of us do, but most don't...

Reverend Scott knows a whole boatload...

And, he's a very nice fellow, and I consider him a good friend...

So he who vents on my friend, will have to deal with me...

And you don't want to do that...

Because I do know it all...

And anything that needs refreshing in my ancient memory bank, there are other sources on this board, available...

Besides that...The combination of age, experience, treachery, and the ability to cheat, without getting caught, will triumph over young blowhards, every time...

Therefore consider this post your first lesson that contains something woefully lacking in your life...

ADULT SUPERVISION!!!!!

Now, start acting like adults, who don't know it all, but are open to an order of magnitude increase in your knowledge about "Ancient U.S. and European Cast Iron Clampers..."

Cause, children, this is the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cretedog]

The problem with many folks is they think that they know it all...

Some of us do, but most don't...

Reverend Scott knows a whole boatload...

And, he's a very nice fellow, and I consider him a good friend...

So he who vents on my friend, will have to deal with me...

And you don't want to do that...

Because I do know it all...

And anything that needs refreshing in my ancient memory bank, there are other sources on this board, available...

Besides that...The combination of age, experience, treachery, and the ability to cheat, without getting caught, will triumph over young blowhards, every time...

Therefore consider this post your first lesson that contains something woefully lacking in your life...

ADULT SUPERVISION!!!!!

Now, start acting like adults, who don't know it all, but are open to an order of magnitude increase in your knowledge about "Ancient U.S. and European Cast Iron Clampers..."

Cause, children, this is the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AngryBeaver]

Re: VA
Circa 1979


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while a little younger than you these were only G60's.....

 

[gman007]

100% agree which is why I've been pretty quiet over the last couple days but disrespecting the good doctor and the whole group in one fell swoop goes too far in my book.

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Chris
Truth be told, initially I was also (as did everyone else) extremely upset specially when Dr Scott was disrespected. I had drafted a long response with choice words.

But then upon further reflection I came to the conclusion that the whole point of existence of a fxcking piece of shxt troll in life is to live on negative feadback energy from others. In fact it seems this is the only way trolls can validate their pitiful and miserable excuse for existence. So ignoring trolls might be one of the best ways of depriving them of this validation.

For the record as all who have a bit of brain, skill, talent, integrity and capability will testify the dirt under Dr Scott’s finger nails has infinitely more skill, talent, integrity and higher IQ than any troll will wish they had in their wildest dreams.

 

[G-ManBart]

Speaking of trollish behavior, there's this gem that proves people will scam others for a buck (go figure).

The seller says this is a rare, 1946 (first year!) Wilton. I figured he was confused and sent him a polite note with Wilton's web page info saying they've been in business since 1941, along with a link to the date stamping page, and he replied "got it" but sure didn't change his ad.

Maybe if a hundred people tell him he's scamming others it might change? I do find it ironic he left a picture with a paper business check visible. Knowing the scam artists on CL there's already overseas making withdrawals on that account...

https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/wilton-bullet-vice-chicago/6756709609.html

 

[gman007]

Maybe if a hundred people tell him he's scamming others it might change? I do find it ironic he left a picture with a paper business check visible. Knowing the scam artists on CL there's already overseas making withdrawals on that account...

https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/wilton-bullet-vice-chicago/6756709609.html

Gman
Now that is really funny

Ps
I responded to your pm but to be honest I can never tell if a message went through as I never see anything in the sent folder.

 

[wrenchguy]

Speaking of trollish behavior, there's this gem that proves people will scam others for a buck (go figure).

The seller says this is a rare, 1946 (first year!) Wilton. I figured he was confused and sent him a polite note with Wilton's web page info saying they've been in business since 1941, along with a link to the date stamping page, and he replied "got it" but sure didn't change his ad.

Maybe if a hundred people tell him he's scamming others it might change? I do find it ironic he left a picture with a paper business check visible. Knowing the scam artists on CL there's already overseas making withdrawals on that account...

https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/wilton-bullet-vice-chicago/6756709609.html

that vise is in north shore of chicago.... why on s-bend c-list?

 

[Smitty]

Re: Angry Beaver
That’s one serious Mustang

Re: dkruth
It’s the beach

 

[gman007]

that vise is in north shore of chicago.... why on s-bend c-list?

I see that happen all the time. Sometimes even searching SWM on CL will show results from Indiana including Soutbend and funny enough those Southbend results mostly turn out to be actually from Chicago. I am guessing because of relative close proximity of SB and Chicago, CL pulls all the listings together.

 

[Smitty]

Trying to hit for the cycle, four down three to go.
Prentiss vise #’s 19 1/2, 20, 21 and 22


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[gman007]

Trying to hit for the cycle, four down three to go.
Prentiss vise #’s 19 1/2, 20, 21 and 22


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Smitty
I swear I am getting dizzy just trying to keep count of how many vises a day you are picking up.

Man hats off to you, in my book you are the road runner of the vise world and are running circles around competition! No disrespect but boy am I glad you do not live in My neck of the woods

Ps
See I am so dizzy now that I forgot to say very nice collection

 

[Smitty]

Lol, thanks
Yeah, Prentiss vises are getting pretty scarce around these parts.

 

[dkroth]

Re: dkruth
It’s the beach

OH! That's a log - a telephone pole in the foreground. I thought it was a ditch with muddy water.




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[va.grouseman]

Smitty, you're down to the toughest ones to find, but they do surface once in a while.---Zoomie sold the nicest #23 I've ever seen.


What is the model # on the little 1 3/4'' and 2'' swivel jaw Prentiss's?---I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone say.

 

[Smitty]

Smitty, you're down to the toughest ones to find, but they do surface once in a while.---Zoomie sold the nicest #23 I've ever seen.





What is the model # on the little 1 3/4'' and 2'' swivel jaw Prentiss's?---I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone say.

Yeah, I’ve got a feeling you’re right. I’ve yet to see a 23 for sale.
Just when I thought I was down to three you had to throw these into the mix. Not fair
Nice find on that coachmakers btw

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[gman007]

Yeah, I’ve got a feeling you’re right. I’ve yet to see a 23
Just when I thought I was down to three you had to throw these into the mix. Not fair


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Do not panic, there is also some good news! To start with They are all under $30 and adding up price of all of the models in that page, you can have them for around $150.

Now I just happen to have a flux capacitor that I can lend you. Do you by any chance have a Delorean?

 

[Shiftless]

BLACK FRIDAY DEAL

While visiting my SIL and her husband for the long Thanksgiving holiday, we guys drove to town (Carson City NV) for a beer. On the way I said let’s pop into this antique store. 20% off for Black Friday so this $50 vise cost me $40.
I know with all the deteriorated paint you can’t see markings, but it is definitely an Athol 614.
That town has a long and rich history of gold and silver mining so I bet this vise saw some duty in that line of work. It’s probably what ...80 years old? OLDER??
It doesn’t have the spring and pin screw retainer like some older Athols...there is an INTERNAL horseshoe collar like Parker has on the OUTSIDE.

 

[Smitty]

Re:gman

I do but it’s 88 mph days are in the rear view mirror.

 

[gman007]

BLACK FRIDAY DEAL

While visiting my SIL and her husband for the long Thanksgiving holiday, we guys drove to town (Carson City NV) for a beer. On the way I said let’s pop into this antique store. 20% off for Black Friday so this $50 vise cost me $40.
I know with all the deteriorated paint you can’t see markings, but it is definitely an Athol 614.
That town has a long and rich history of gold and silver mining so I bet this vise saw some duty in that line of work. It’s probably what ...80 years old? OLDER??
It doesn’t have the spring and pin screw retainer like some older Athols...there is an INTERNAL horseshoe collar like Parker has on the OUTSIDE.

Shift
It sounds you had a lot of fun and in the process a good vise at a great price kind of fell in your lap, very nice

 

[Rich.]

Hi all,

I have a question for the Record experts on here. Im looking for a Record 84-34, but im curious as to the history of it.

There is a 34, and an 84. Then there is the 84/34 which appears to be an 84 with an anvil on the back. The 34 has an anvil too, so it that where the 84-34 comes from? Its just a child of the two?

Thanks
Rich

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Yeah, I’ve got a feeling you’re right. I’ve yet to see a 23 for sale.


https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/atq/d/vintage-prentiss-no-23-vise/6725127320.html

I think the guy is an antique dealer in southern Alabama. He posted on here about three years ago for information. It went on CL shortly afterwards. He got the vise and some other stuff from a guy that owed him money. I bet he doesn't have a couple hundred dollars in it. He started off asking $3000 for it and apparently doesn't need the money and will continue the sit on his "gold mine"

 

[Shiftless]

Update

After careful brass wire brushing, we can see the lettering on that 614 I mentioned a few postings back.
Any experts out there who can tell the date range of manufacture based on the style? I know that Athol used several different designs over the years. I know it is early 20th century and definitely after 1905.
The internal clip retainer has me puzzled. Any experts care to comment?

I believe I will enter it in the “most deteriorated paint” category.

 

[thin_concrete]

Yeah, I’ve got a feeling you’re right. I’ve yet to see a 23 for sale.


https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/atq/d/vintage-prentiss-no-23-vise/6725127320.html

I think the guy is an antique dealer in southern Alabama. He posted on here about three years ago for information. It went on CL shortly afterwards. He got the vise and some other stuff from a guy that owed him money. I bet he doesn't have a couple hundred dollars in it. He started off asking $3000 for it and apparently doesn't need the money and will continue the sit on his "gold mine"

He and I have very different definitions of the word “mint.”

 

[zoomieport]

Zoom

So you are the guy making us (and not all everyone here is “old”, what ever that means in the first place! And is there a legal age in this free country after which one is not allowed to own more than one vise) all look bad and mean (no wait, on second thoughts, never mind, it seems it is a
Was my jealously talking)

Seriously Amazing collection (and I am jealous but in an admiring way) .

I am doing a none scientific survey of people who actually own Parkers. How many Parkers do you have and how many have broken slides?

For the record, I will go first, I have three and have no broken slides.

G-MAN,

I only have 19 Parkers that I can find... None have broken slides.

Take Care!
ZOOM

 

[Shiftless]

4 Parkers in my little collection.
None have cracks.

My Parker bear may or may not have one but he’s wearing overalls.

 

[rusty65]

Update



After careful brass wire brushing, we can see the lettering on that 614 I mentioned a few postings back.

Any experts out there who can tell the date range of manufacture based on the style? I know that Athol used several different designs over the years. I know it is early 20th century and definitely after 1905.

The internal clip retainer has me puzzled. Any experts care to comment?



I believe I will enter it in the “most deteriorated paint” category.

All the earlier Athol vises I’ve seen used that method of screw retention and since your vise has machine and foundry on your vise that dates it to after 1925 if I’m not mistaken. Here are a picture of two of my Athol vises a no 523 3in quick release and a 3 1/2 ratchet Handle swivel jaw.

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[va.grouseman]

Smitty, thanks for the Prentiss AD.---I have a #35 and a #37 but never knew they had model #s



And here's a few of my pics of the Charles Parker.---You know what they say, no pics, reasonable doubt---Reasonable doubt, never happened.

 

[Shiftless]

Rusty: Thanks for the feedback on my 614
I love the vintage look of yours. Is that a smoking hot oil treatment or some kind of paint?

 

[Stuart in MN]

Update After careful brass wire brushing, we can see the lettering on that 614 I mentioned a few postings back.

I was just moving around a 614 in the garage yesterday... I've had the thing for years but haven't done anything with it. I'm thinking I'll put it on my basement workbench this winter.

 

[Smitty]

Smitty, thanks for the Prentiss AD.---I have a #35 and a #37 but never knew they had model #s



And here's a few of my pics of the Charles Parker.---You know what they say, no pics, reasonable doubt---Reasonable doubt, never happened.

Nice pick up, it pays to keep your eyes peeled. That Parker is in great condition.

 

[va.grouseman]

Really nice Athol's Rusty.---A lot of bell and whistles on those.---A ratchet swivel jaw,---The total package.---Well if it only had the split swivel base.---Yours is 97% of the total package.

 

[chrisnazzy]

Update

After careful brass wire brushing, we can see the lettering on that 614 I mentioned a few postings back.
Any experts out there who can tell the date range of manufacture based on the style? I know that Athol used several different designs over the years. I know it is early 20th century and definitely after 1905.
The internal clip retainer has me puzzled. Any experts care to comment?

I believe I will enter it in the “most deteriorated paint” category.

I have 3 Athol vises and all are marked Athol M&F Co. I've read that their name changed from Athol Machine Co. (A.M. Co.) to Athol Machine & Foundry Co in 1920.

I have a 614, 624N and a 624 1/2. All have spring and cotter pin style shaft collars.
Here is a pic of my 614.

It was originally restored by member Crotalusatrox. When he got it the jaws were in pretty rough shape so he had them surface ground smooth. He graciously gave the vise to me when I worked the deal and picked up a Reed 406 for him.

P.S. - one of the vises I'd like to own the most is a small 2" to 2.5" Athol swivel base. I've seen them posted in here as:

622 1/4
622 1/2
722 1/8

I know they're rare and valuable but if anyone has one they'd consider selling let me know.

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[Shiftless]

Chris:
Thanks for the info. So mine is 1921 or later.
That’s certainly a nice looking set of vises you have there. Is that Rustoleum satin sage paint or something else?

After a clean up, I can get a better look at the unusual (new to me) retainer system.
Under all the deteriorated paint and surface rust, it seems to me that my 614 is in pretty good overall shape. The jaws aren’t completely worn out and there are no chips missing.

Stay tuned for more pics
.
.
Rusty:
If you have some extra time could you check on this?
Does your swivel jaw Athol that you pictured have the same internal horse shoe clip screw retainer as my 614 or does it have the spring and pin holding in the main screw?
Thanks!
.
.

 

[IdahoMan]

This is going for $150 locally (6" jaws). Anyone want to talk me in/out of it? :S

The vise sources **** around these parts.

 

[gman007]

Hi All
A few days ago I posted the following message:

I am doing a none scientific survey of people who actually own Parkers. How many Parkers do you have and how many have broken slides?


First of all I want to thank

454ragtop
GETRIDAONE
jrobb316
kenc184
meatsis
Outlawmws
Perrorojo
Rbarnes
Shiftless
va.grouseman
zoomieport

who kindly responded.

I have attached a photo of tabulated results so far (survey is still open and will remain open as long as members care to participate)

I apologize, if you have already responded and somehow I missed your post ( sorry I had to weed through all the posts to find the responses). If so, I would appreciated if you could kindly let me know again.

For those that do own (or have owned) Parkers and wish to participate in the survey, please let me know the total count vs how many had damaged slides.

In fact I want to extend the survey to include not only what one currently owns or previously owned but also even if you have seen a Parker (intact or with damaged slide) in PERSON.

The idea is to get a FIRST HAND account rather say a single photo of a Parker with broken slide that might have been seen by 100 people and each of which can state that they have seen a Parker with a broken slide.

Thank you in advance

 

[rusty65]

Chris:
Thanks for the info. So mine is 1921 or later.
That’s certainly a nice looking set of vises you have there. Is that Rustoleum satin sage paint or something else?

After a clean up, I can get a better look at the unusual (new to me) retainer system.
Under all the deteriorated paint and surface rust, it seems to me that my 614 is in pretty good overall shape. The jaws aren’t completely worn out and there are no chips missing.

Stay tuned for more pics
.
.
Rusty:
If you have some extra time could you check on this?
Does your swivel jaw Athol that you pictured have the same internal horse shoe clip screw retainer as my 614 or does it have the spring and pin holding in the main screw?
Thanks!
.
.

Both my Athol vises have the internal horseshoe clip. I also want to add a picture of a Athol advertisement I own which also shows the internal horseshoe clip. I believe the ad is from some time before ww2 but I’m not exactly sure on the exact year.

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[chrisnazzy]

Both my Athol vises have the internal horseshoe clip. I also want to add a picture of a Athol advertisement I own which also shows the internal horseshoe clip. I believe the ad is from some time before ww2 but I’m not exactly sure on the exact year.


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Thanks Rusty. Those are Athol catalog scans I didn't have saved and have never seen. The only decent Athol page I had saved prior to this had only recently been posted by Fierljeppen.

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[tool_scrounge]

This is going for $150 locally (6" jaws). Anyone want to talk me in/out of it? :S

The vise sources **** around these parts.

I think you could find a better vise for similar money on Ebay if you are patient.

 

[MissileBear]

I am doing a none scientific survey of people who actually own Parkers. How many Parkers do you have and how many have broken slides?


...In fact I want to extend the survey to include not only what one currently owns or previously owned but also even if you have seen a Parker (intact or with damaged slide) in PERSON.

I refinished a (Union) Parker 973 1/2A for my brother - still uses it, no broken slide, pics earlier back in this thread. A guy I know downstate has an earlier #436 he won't sell me...he showed me last time I was there but isn't accepting offers on it. No broken slide on that one either.

I actually have leads on 3 other Parkers...one is mine that I need to pick up, the other 2 are questionable if a deal can be made. I'll report back.

 

[gman007]

Both my Athol vises have the internal horseshoe clip. I also want to add a picture of a Athol advertisement I own which also shows the internal horseshoe clip. I believe the ad is from some time before ww2 but I’m not exactly sure on the exact year.

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Rusty
Thanks for the catalog pages. They are very informative.

Looking at these catalog pages I just noticed some interesting tidbits.

First there is the matter of Vernacular/terminology. In the first page of the catalog there is a reference to the "Horn" but here on this thread we generally refer to this part of the vise as the Dynamic Jaw support Shelf. Even what we refer to as Dynamic Jaw itself, is referred to as "Front Jaw" (in the same paragraph where it talks about the Horn). I am curious if this was Athol's terminology or was it the industry terminology at the that time.


I also could not help but smile when I read this sentence "Any Man will sometime abuse a vise by using it as an anvil". Well that might have been true then, but no blue blooded GJ member will do such a thing now