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[scubamc]

Finally deciding to restore the vice that was mounted on a bench in the backyard of a house I bought five years ago. It needs lots of TLC. I believe it is a Wilton 744. Can someone confirm this for me?

 

[KMScott]

Dr. Scott, I don't think they left the factory loose. I think, when in use, and the handle is allowed to drop, the handle head smacks the main screw head and over time it begins to de-peen the knob off. Kinetic energy...

Outlaw, I was referring to the swivel handles like on this 1C that had both knobs rotating. Reed peened the knobs in place but left enough so both knobs rotated. I have seen this on other vises but can not remember which vise did it.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

No educated guesses on the "C.M & T. CO."?

 

[Outlawmws]

Outlaw, I was referring to the swivel handles like on this 1C that had both knobs rotating. Reed peened the knobs in place but left enough so both knobs rotated. I have seen this on other vises but can not remember which vise did it.

Ah! my mistake. I though it was the main handle!

 

[Outlawmws]

No educated guesses on the "C.M & T. CO."?

Cincinnati Machine & Tool? Just a WAG.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

And not a bad one. If you mean the machinery company, I went there myself until I discovered that the full name was Cincinnati Milling Machine Company.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I did see this on Twerty's list...

Crossley Machine & Tool Co., Inc./Sure-Grip Drill Vise & Maxi-Cut Drilling Head/UNK

 

[Outlawmws]

Actually I was thinking the clamp company, but that is just Cincinnati tool:

http://www.theclampguy.info/hist_ctc.htm

 

[Outlawmws]

I did see this on Twerty's list...

Crossley Machine & Tool Co., Inc./Sure-Grip Drill Vise & Maxi-Cut Drilling Head/UNK

That looks promising...

 

[kenc184]

Good info guys thanks! Kenc184 that’s the same handle on mine. The measurement is the same minus the screw ends. One of my screws was missing and the handle is cracked a bit on one end.

I can certainly make that, but the er.... turret....capstan....holddown nut, whatever it's called on mine is a different shape than any other 577 I've seen pictures of. I wonder how much variation there was in small parts like thus?

 

[AngryBeaver]

Outlaw, I was referring to the swivel handles like on this 1C that had both knobs rotating. Reed peened the knobs in place but left enough so both knobs rotated. I have seen this on other vises but can not remember which vise did it.

a few of my reeds were like this... my Rock island 543B was like that also. also the OLD wiltons, like early models all had spinning knobs on the swivel locks

 

[rusty65]

Well there’s yet another mint in box Wilton baby bullet which puts my count at 3 including my own.









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[Smitty]

Real nice Smitty.---If you are going to collect, collect the nice ones.---If you are going to use, get the used ones.---JMO.

Thanks VA, it has a couple of minor issues but I’d give it a solid B+ for an 80 +/- year old vise.

 

[Smitty]

Well there’s yet another mint in box Wilton baby bullet which puts my count at 3 including my own.









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Wow, what a find.

 

[rusty65]

Wow, what a find.

It’s not mine it’s up for bid on everyone’s favorite auction website.


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[RBarnes]

Well there’s yet another mint in box Wilton baby bullet which puts my count at 3 including my own.









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Someone educate me, if this baby bullet is mint in the box and has never been used, how come it seems to have bits of red paint under the green in the one photo?

 

[rusty65]

Someone educate me, if this baby bullet is mint in the box and has never been used, how come it seems to have bits of red paint under the green in the one photo?

I believe it’s on top of the green paint. As I’m 100% sure that’s the original paint as the seller also said it’s dated 6-70 which is the correct color for the era.


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[Burgerkong]

Came upon a Hollands 16, anyone interested? Super heavy, not cracked and no welds. Jaw has a chunk missing however.

Anyone have any documentation on this?

 

[ricleh]

Someone educate me, if this baby bullet is mint in the box and has never been used, how come it seems to have bits of red paint under the green in the one photo?

The dynamic jaw seems to have been replaced also. The static jaw is serrated but the dynamic jaw is smooth and one of the retaining screws is really mangled looking. The box indicates a vise with serrated jaws.

 

[rusty65]

The dynamic jaw seems to have been replaced also. The static jaw is serrated but the dynamic jaw is smooth and one of the retaining screws is really mangled looking. The box indicates a vise with serrated jaws.

The vise comes with a couple pairs of jaws. You can see them in the bag next to the vise.


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[KMScott]

Came upon a Hollands 16, anyone interested? Super heavy, not cracked and no welds. Jaw has a chunk missing however.

Anyone have any documentation on this?

Hollands built two different #16 models, if you could share your spec:s then both models can be seen on the Spreadsheet. Jaw width, weight and max opening will be appreciated. Max opening is easy to measure, just measure the square slider hanging out the rear.

The cast in jaws on your 16 need some work. Thanks for sharing.

 

[DwightS]

Here’s a Craftsman 51871 vise I found at my father’s barn. It was stashed in the corner. The adjustment screw was frozen up and the arm was bent. I sprayed it with PB Blaster and left it to soak for a couple of hours. Used a pipe for leverage and it broke loose. I disassembled it, cleaned it up, sanded it and painted it. Took a little creative liberty with it by painting it red, what I take as classic Craftsman instead of the boring blue. I did recreate the adjustment lever with new 5/16 steel rod. Haven’t been able to create the proper beads on the ends, but it works.

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[Smitty]

Came upon a Hollands 16, anyone interested? Super heavy, not cracked and no welds. Jaw has a chunk missing however.

Anyone have any documentation on this?

Nice vise but I have to ask...what’s going on in your avatar???

 

[racin72charger]

Came upon a Hollands 16, anyone interested? Super heavy, not cracked and no welds. Jaw has a chunk missing however.

Anyone have any documentation on this?

Raises hand. I would love a large vice like that.

 

[wabo100]

Picked up a Reed 4c in good condition cleaned it up the date on it is 10/67

 

[Craftfab]

Found a 4" Wilton Cadet vise that was cast with "Sample" on the side. Beside that is "5/30" cast and above is "111006". Any thoughts on if the Samples were made to the same quality as full production?

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Found a 4" Wilton Cadet vise that was cast with "Sample" on the side. Beside that is "5/30" cast and above is "111006". Any thoughts on if the Samples were made to the same quality as full production?

You do know it's blasphemy approaching on heresy to post a comment/question like that without accompanying pics right?

 

[Craftfab]

You do know it's blasphemy approaching on heresy to post a comment/question like that without accompanying pics right?

Not mine. Is for sale. New to Wilton vises and didn’t know if a “sample” was worth the normal asking prices.

 

[dkroth]

Not mine. Is for sale. New to Wilton vises and didn’t know if a “sample” was worth the normal asking prices.

New to Wilton you say?...

Yes indeed the "Sample" vises are inferior. They are worth much less than other Wiltons. Nevertheless, I collect them as oddities. I'll cut your losses and offer you half of whatever you paid - you cover shipping.







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[va.grouseman]

Well Rusty, that little Wilton hasn't sold yet but it has found a new owner as of now.---Evidently there is no price celling on those little buggers.---There is no (What The Market Will Bear), it bears anything tossed at.

 

[Fierljeppen]

Well Rusty, that little Wilton hasn't sold yet but it has found a new owner as of now.---Evidently there is no price celling on those little buggers.---There is no (What The Market Will Bear), it bears anything tossed at.

I don't understand why the demand is so high for these vises. The 1950 catalog said that they made "tens of thousands". That means that there is a substantial supply out there, yet for about -10- years they continue to sell at an extreme premium price.

I don't get it?

 

[txlonghorn1989]

I don't understand why the demand is so high for these vises. The 1950 catalog said that they made "tens of thousands". That means that there is a substantial supply out there, yet for about -10- years they continue to sell at an extreme premium price.

I don't get it?

You definitely don't wanna look into the brainwashed BS with diamonds that's for sure.

 

[va.grouseman]

Fierljeppen, That's good to know.---Tens of thousands times $400.00 to $700.00 is known as a retirement package.

 

[matt_i]

Merry Christmas everyone! German super vise I picked up since I was last here. Twelve inch jaw, thirty inches tall and a little over 700 lbs. This is a before picture and I will get back to you later with an after picture.

I'm really curious about the design of the moving jaw since it travels an arc...guess I will have to wait for more pics

 

[Smitty]

Vintage vises in their original habitat.


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[wrenchguy]

pulled from smokstak, conversation was about it maybe being very early olds horseless carriage shop.

 

[Smitty]

pulled from smokstak, conversation was about it maybe being very early olds horseless carriage shop.

Great photo, I like the pot belly stove heating up the shop not to mention the workbench full of Prentiss vises.

 

[va.grouseman]

You have to wonder just how much those fellows actually used the swivel jaws.---It would be funny if they were like 3 different people I've bought swivel jaw vises off of and they had no idea what the pin was for.---One fellow had a Rock Island and a Charles Parker, both swivel jaws, and said he would sell me either one but wanted to keep one, and had no idea that either was a swivel jaw.---I bought the Rock Island and then showed him what they would do.---He was excited and had sellers remorse at the same time.

I suspect the fellows in that photo knew what did what.

 

[Smitty]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure they weren’t using the slide as an anvil either.

 

[oldldh]

Vintage vises in their original habitat .jpg[/IMG]

You do realize, that's a Bugatti???

Where are all the Bugatti vises???

I could be wrong, but I believe that is a Type 35...

The second photo is a "Pur Sang" replica from Argentina...