J H Williams vintage hand tools

[wrenchguy]

Wrenchguy,

I had high hopes for the two "S" wrenches in this lot from this morning's flea market to fill some of your Silent Salesman needs (See Pic 1.)

Alas, the 661 is a 661A (whereas you need a 661D, E, or F), and it doesn't appear to be a Williams. This is now the tiniest "S" wrench I own. (See Pics 2 & 3.)

The other "S" wrench is a Williams, oval logo, Brooklyn factory, and it is the correct wrench in terms of opening sizes (1/2" x 9/16"), but it's later than 1919, when they dropped the "6" in 677B. (Not to mention the hairline fracture!) (See Pics 4, 5, & 6.)

Those 661's r small and "cute" as my grandaughter calls 'em. Thanks 4 looking out 4 'em.

heres the list, thanks 4 any help.
Oval logo part numbers wanted.
OVAL LOGO ONLY.
1
3
5
7
8
23
35
37
725b
731
733
675b
677b
683b
663g
664
661
spark plug wrench, 993 or 993a or 994

 

[wrenchguy]

Some visual, half of them are wrong for this board layout and each 1 willbe replaced as the correct 1 comes in. I'm thinking i'm going to build another board to use up the wrong 1's that were purchased for the 1923 layout.

 

[bmwrd0]

Got this box and the sockets of the eBay (there were other Williams sockets and a MTF extension also) and I had found the ratchet a while back in a junk shop. Now, just need the other sockets.

 

[d42jeep]

I found this Williams 1/2” drive extension yesterday at an estate sale. It’s not too unusual except for the AT-8708 stamped on the side. That AT number doesn’t correspond to the Merlin Packard set and was obviously hand stamped so I’m not sure what to make of it.
-Don

 

[RubiconJK]

I found this Williams 1/2” drive extension yesterday at an estate sale. It’s not too unusual except for the AT-8708 stamped on the side. That AT number doesn’t correspond to the Merlin Packard set and was obviously hand stamped so I’m not sure what to make of it.
-Don

Don,
It might be a long shot, but I remember Plombob's old site showing a listing of the Ranger AT tools of which there was one item listed as AT 8027 (identified on the list only as "valve adjuster"). He noted that this item was not labeled as Ranger AT, but only AT with the 8027 following. The link actually worked from a thread I started several years ago, so I'm copying it here for reference.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120303023346/http://plombtools.com/Ranger.aspx

 

[int3414]

work in progress,need 75A,79C & 83B....anybody

 

[bonneyman]

Got this box and the sockets of the eBay (there were other Williams sockets and a MTF extension also) and I had found the ratchet a while back in a junk shop. Now, just need the other sockets.

Is that orange on the ratchet stock, or did someone do it to match the box for their OCD?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's factory. All drives sizes. Late 30's and 40's. I don't know about 50's.

 

[bmwrd0]

Here's one more with the orange paint. It's a B51, so 3/8's

I love how prewar tools are so much more decorated than post-war. Except for Plomb, they went the other direction.

 

[Macduf]

To cool to pass up for .50 . Any idea on age?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice find, Macduf. Made between 1919 and 1924. Same age as these, its cousins, linked here.

 

[d42jeep]

Here is a postwar Williams set I passed along to Tin Medic last year.
-Don

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Got this box and the sockets of the eBay (there were other Williams sockets and a MTF extension also) and I had found the ratchet a while back in a junk shop. Now, just need the other sockets.

Very nice. I like those compact 1/2" sets.

 

[wrenchguy]

Wrenchguy,

I had high hopes for the two "S" wrenches in this lot from this morning's flea market to fill some of your Silent Salesman needs (See Pic 1.)

Alas, the 661 is a 661A (whereas you need a 661D, E, or F), and it doesn't appear to be a Williams. This is now the tiniest "S" wrench I own. (See Pics 2 & 3.)

Lugtz included this 661 in a deal we worked out.
I want to share that this 661 wrench is about 3/4 the size of the williams 661's.

 

[leg17]

Who made that little baby?
I have seen that logo before but I don't know who it is.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm not sure, leg. I sent it with another extra stand-in.

 

[wrenchguy]

Some inserts from williams 16th edition 160 page product book. March 1915. Don't have scanner, only photos.

 

[wrenchguy]

I've go an 83B but no indication of manufacturer

He's looking for this logo only. Thanks for thinking of our projects.

 

[int3414]

appreciate the help!...no 83b yet...have 75b & this with mack truck scrip..ok for now....thanks again

 

[3baygarage]

Neat, Wrenchguy. From Paris and 104 yrs old.

 

[wrenchguy]

Neat, Wrenchguy. From Paris and 104 yrs old.

Thanks, plus i think its no. 127th product line book sent out of ??? in 1915. 4 some reason Williams kept track where it was sent, maybe preferred customer thing.

 

[wrenchguy]

A question for the experts, The new underline logo came out in 1924 and knowing those wrenches won't fit on the board because being to long would this board be withdrawn from the retailers? According to Williams literature, the board was on loan to the retailer.

Showing 24 of correct p/n with oval logo.



heres the list, thanks 4 any help.
Oval logo part numbers wanted.
1
3
7
8
23
35
663
664
677
733
993
994

 

[Provincial]

I picked up a #37 today with the logo shown in post #504. Is someone needing one?

 

[int3414]

I picked up a #37 today with the logo shown in post #504. Is someone needing one?

no 37,could use a 21 or 23.,,thanks!!

 

[Tylermorris]

A few scattered here and there, this is my favorite speed wrench.

 

[misterbill]

What era is this version of the Williams logo?

 

[int3414]

work in progress,w/some mack truck wrenches..,.finishing touches for now,on to the billings/spencer project..........thanks to the wrench guy & others!!

 

[Provincial]

I found a Williams 8936 Waterpump wrench this weekend in a group of tools I purchased. Interesting wrench.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice find, Jock. I have a few. Imagine the days of toting six or seven of those around instead of adjustable water pump pliers. Strangely, Williams made them well into the late 40's long after the advent of water pump pliers. They had alligators in their catalog for a long time after they were obsolete too.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Picked up some very early wrenches at the flea this morning. See Pic 1 for group shot.

All of these are Brooklyn factory forged. Only the largest even has the oval logo.
- A 666E (1-1/8" x 1-1/4" milled openings) "S" wrench with flat handle for Hex Caps.
- An 866G (7/8" x 1" milled openings) "S" wrench with concave handle for Hex Caps.
- A 529 set screw wrench.
- And a 76 set screw wrench.

See Pics 2 - 6 for zooms on "S" wrenches.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Here are the set screw wrenches...

 

[Private Lugnutz]

an adjustable alligator wrench, patented 1897, just because I had never seen one.

That is the H.A. Smith patent wrench (548,019, Apr 3, 1897) made by Elgin. I'd like to run into one some day to complete the bifecta. I own the other adjustable alligator wrench, patented by C.S. Bonney (728,842, May 26, 1903) after he sold Bonney Vise & Tool Works. He moved the adjusting nut to the center. Those were called "THE VICTOR" and made by Kraueter. Link to my specimen on the Bonney thread, here.

 

[wrenchguy]

These are for the williams repro board i'm going to build later this summer.
The rusty 1's are in the wild finds the past 15 years. I kinda just bought big 1's and left the others. The biggest is a 38" 19a, beat up oval 18, 13a, mack 45 and couple 10's oval and underliner. The new board will be a mix everything williams i got left. Maybe the 7' chain wrench too. Gotta see how things layout.



these are extra incorrect 1's from the board i'm working on now.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

If you want it you can have it for the three doollars I paid plus shipping.

A very good price, of course, and offer, thanks, RJ, but it's all about the hunt and the finding for me. They are usually plentiful on eBay as well, but that's just not the same, either. Someone else "found" those! One will come along on my flea market haunts, eventually. If it was the last piece in a 39-piece set, and I have been looking for years, different story! You enjoy it.

 

[wrenchguy]

A "Genuine Vulcan NO.16" by JH Williams. The body is 5" thick with nut and bolt end adding another 1 1/2". I got this at the Hudson NY Valley Engine Club auction a few years back.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That's a monster. Picked up a few random wrenches in a box of stuff

 

[bonneyman]

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile. A Williams obstruction wrench in a size I was looking for!

 

[leg17]

Here is another Williams Wrench Board

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antiq...333108?hash=item4b64f51f34:g:kqQAAOSwzFpc6GiO

eBay lot # 323816333108

 

[Jim C.]

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile. A Williams obstruction wrench in a size I was looking for!

bonneyman,

You lucky dog!!! That’s one I don’t have. Nice find!

Jim C.

 

[bonneyman]

bonneyman,

You lucky dog!!! That’s one I don’t have. Nice find!

Jim C.

Thanks! 13/16" is a common fitting size in A/C, so was glad to find it.
It's covered with a varnish-coating. Acetone should clean it right up.