Went and took an actual pic. Here is my stuff. I have had to make screws for a Starrett jaw that had the steep taper. I also took a bit off these worn jaws to make a smooth set. They are hardened and I could still get several retouches out of them in the future.
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sgtgeo
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The funny part was Morgan Milwaukee had all the replacement parts for the Morgan Chicago 140 I mean you could build a new vise from their spare parts list except the screws were different lol the smallest simplest part, I thought.
I would think the new jaws would come with screws, but maybe not. Morgans once they were bought by Milw. Tool and Equip. went to the pinned T style jaws, which I like because there are no screws to mar up with the workpieces.
sgtgeo
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The new jaws did come with new "modern" screws but my jaws were good do I was trying to avoid paying ~$60 for new jaws/screws
Productbob
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Jack84
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AI Hembrug made this vise, they also made lathes and other tooling.
Their main business was weapons and ammunition manufacturing. In 1973 the tooling and weapons production where split up.
In the mid 50's they made the AR10 under license of Armalite.
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Here’s an old time capsule Wilton that I found down by the border a while ago. It has 6” jaws and weighs in at 109 lbs. it seems to be a transition model between the no. 6 and the no. 600. The vise is in great shape with only a hammer mark or two.
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Here’s an old time capsule Wilton that I found down by the border a while ago. It has 6” jaws and weighs in at 109 lbs. it seems to be a transition model between the no. 6 and the no. 600. The vise is in great shape with only a hammer mark or two.
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trijeff
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Productbob
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jeff, this green and bright steel combo looks awesome! may have to copy your approach to liven up the work shop 
Farmall450
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Finished up my Bullet Resto, thanks for oldironfarmer!
See link in signature.
See link in signature.
Doc995
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Farmall450
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It would be good for jewelry or tying fishing lures.
AndrewH
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It’s not a functioning vise. It’s a paperweight!
Edit: If it were a functioning vise, it would have went for 100s if dollars easily. Cute trinket though!
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va.grouseman
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Dock995, They are non functioning units.---Here's a couple.
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=i...gws-wiz-img.IwcWEuSdDsI#imgrc=AGiHWNaftbPlHM:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=i...gws-wiz-img.IwcWEuSdDsI#imgrc=AGiHWNaftbPlHM:
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Outlawmws
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Sgt, on the steep angle screws: the reason was probably so they would wedge in and not back out in use. A form of screw lock
The reason they stopped was its cheaper to buy std screws than make or have made orphans...
The reason they stopped was its cheaper to buy std screws than make or have made orphans...
KMScott
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I purchased a Parker 275, 6-1/2 swivel jaw with the swivel base that releases from under the bench in January. I started to tear it down for a restoration and was surprised to find the dove tails broken in the middle of the Static. This happens when you open the vise to far and apply pressure and the cast dove tail takes all the pressure and sometimes breaks. Well this is a hard repair and the second one I have done.
Hardest part is locating the two broken dovetails while the vise is up side down. Programing the cut's are the easy part. It was a fun fix and as good as new.
Patent date of November 1867 says this is a old one and I was surprised to find the vise is built pretty accurate. The dove tail was centered pretty close in fact just about the best cast Static I have ever worked on.
Hardest part is locating the two broken dovetails while the vise is up side down. Programing the cut's are the easy part. It was a fun fix and as good as new.
Patent date of November 1867 says this is a old one and I was surprised to find the vise is built pretty accurate. The dove tail was centered pretty close in fact just about the best cast Static I have ever worked on.
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tool_scrounge
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I believe this is correct. It is not quite a self releasing taper like used or machine tools (17.8°) or self locking (7°), but it should wedge better than 90° flat heads. As with a lot of things, when you are under price pressure from competitors you do what is needed to cut costs.
royce
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What a pleasure seeing a vise that most would scrap, be restored to to better than new condition.
Atta Boy Kevin
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oldldh
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How many does this make Reverend Scott????
YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!
Really, really nice...
More snow, tonight???
YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!
Really, really nice...
More snow, tonight???
KMScott
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Thanks guys, on my way to Kansas today, got a trunk load of vise for Demoman. Yep oldie still snowing. When will Spring show up. Have a good weekend guys.
va.grouseman
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Vise, the wording is technically correct but misleading.---There is no crack, the material is missing/gone.---There is no repair, no effort was made.---I'm just sorry you went to such lengths for naught.
WhoWhatNow
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How did the rest of the vise look? Care to share the location/price since you passed?
More than misleading. The cast iron is cracked off. Very disappointing.
Handle was bent, about 3/4” of gap between the handle and handle hole due to wear. Huge silver dollar sizes dent in the top of the jaw. Very little serrations left in the jaws. It turned pretty okay.
That is not a crack that's a chip.
Sad that some people will say, do, or omit just about anything to sell something.
In addition to the blanket “any cracks or repairs” question, I asked about any general condition issues and was told “I don’t see any.” I’m not driving 5 hours round trip without being told the condition is okay. If, when I dig into the gunk of the dovetail, I found a crack, fine. It’s understandable that something like that could be missed. But 1/3rd of the jaw is missing. This is something you see.
The worst part was, when I made a new offer to them given the condition issues, they acted like I was wasting THEIR time. Live and learn.
Wow, that is quite something. I wouldn't have had a clue how to fix that.
Shiftless
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Vise:
I feel for you man.
That seller probably figured he would lie about the condition and assume that anybody that came from over 100 miles away would not leave empty handed.
It’s good that you stood your ground and left that guy holding his overpriced project vise.
I, for one, learned a lesson about direct questions about my usual “cracks or repairs” I will include the words “missing chunks” but that might not help with a-holes like you ran into.
I assume you asked for pics and the seller used some excuse for not snapping a pic.
I feel for you man.
That seller probably figured he would lie about the condition and assume that anybody that came from over 100 miles away would not leave empty handed.
It’s good that you stood your ground and left that guy holding his overpriced project vise.
I, for one, learned a lesson about direct questions about my usual “cracks or repairs” I will include the words “missing chunks” but that might not help with a-holes like you ran into.
I assume you asked for pics and the seller used some excuse for not snapping a pic.
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I just did exactly that repair with braze welding over on the vise repair thread. You could have fixed it, although it takes an anormous amount of heat to get that big heat sink up to temps. Of course, the price would have to have been right. What were they asking?
Thanks. Yeah, I asked for and received photos. None showed the missing chunk. The jaws were closed or at an angle where you couldn't see the missing piece in each photo. They've now uploaded a pic of the damage. Trying to be fair to them, they were not vise people. Maybe an old rusty vise looks pretty much the same to them with and without a chunk of the jaw, but I think this is pretty tough to miss.
I thought of you the moment I saw this damage. Seeing what you did with yours I thought it could probably be fixed and used. But, for me at least, a lot of the collectable value went out the door when I saw the damage. And although I'm not buying to resell, I'm also not buying to lose money driving off the lot.
Shiftless
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Safe travels KMS
Nothing like a road trip with a big load of vises! A year ago I had 14, but no real biggies. Kevin only has to drive 400 miles or so. Just about any of us would like to be part of that meet up with Demoman.
There’s a good karma make up deal just on the horizon.
Just think if you had the damn thing shipped. You would get not only the "undamaged" price, but shipping cost on top of that. One of the reasons I normally go look at and pick up something.
This damaged vise would have no interest to me since I only have vises I want to actually use. I do wonder considering that most on here are just collectors it does seem a little interesting since if you have a bunch of vises on a shelf is the condition that important?
I understand the concept of re-sell, but when one of these big vise collections eventually goes on the market, it seems like there will not be enough collectors to absorb everything at the prices the collector will want for each vise? Time will tell I guess.
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Yeah, shipping would have been a disaster.
I think how much damage you'll accept on something that's going into your personal collection is personal preference. For me, the rarer the item the more damage I'm willing to accept, if the price is reasonable. I would have bought the 108 in this condition, because it's a rare, big vise that I'd like to have. But catastrophic damage like this brings the price down by 75%, for me.
Re: the vise market, I'd be interested to hear what others think. My take is that it's strong for premium pieces and that a collection (or several) of premium vises going on sale would not change it, but interested to hear other thoughts.
Well, I hope to prove you wrong with my dog of a Prentiss 56, that Reed vise should be easily repaired and be totally useable.
Of course the price would have to be right, I wouldn't pay collector price for a repairable user.
AndrewH
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Finally picked up my Parker 60X from the freight terminal, this thing is a monster. It makes my Reed 108R feel small. It needs some work for sure but the vise is sound and the nut / threads are good. Just gotta fix up the meatball, new handle, have a friend cast me a Parker collar and machine some jaws which will be easy since they are replaceable.
Definitely worth it for a vise this big.
Definitely worth it for a vise this big.
Finally picked up my Parker 60X from the freight terminal, this thing is a monster. It makes my Reed 108R feel small. It needs some work for sure but the vise is sound and the nut / threads are good. Just gotta fix up the meatball, new handle, have a friend cast me a Parker collar and machine some jaws which will be easy since they are replaceable.
Definitely worth it for a vise this big.
That's a big boy. Nice pick up!
