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TIA. Is there any real world advantage to 90 tooth ratchet vs. the 84 tooth ratchets? Specifically in GearWrench. I see now that their 90 tooth ratchets are starting to become more available, the 84 tooth are much more reasonable in price. They claim the 90 tooth ratchets are much stronger, but they have to make those claims in order to sell product. A little less travel which is a plus but..........
 
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That is an immeasurable difference in use, so tooth count doesn't matter. It would. Come down to ergonomics and strength of the components
 

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As I understand it, the 84 tooth is on its way out. Should be good deals around considering that.

I have the 84 tooth 1/2' drive, locking flex. I wish I had spent a little more on the Carlyle. The GW isn't really a bad ratchet. I just can't seem to bond with it. But that may well be because of my disdain for Apex and GW.
 

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84T was pretty good effort of a ratchet, now prices can be had real low they great value option .
once you over the 72T tooth count reality is lash and general slop in the mechanism plays bigger roll on real world swing arc than the tooth count, drag is also big point look at when choosing .
Plenty good lower cost ratchets out there and tooth count not the main point to consider when choosing as it mainly abused for marketing points these days .
Have a look at tekton, carlyle and capri and compared against GW .
Most ratchets today even at 15 20 bucks you be hard pushed busted them just by hand, most issues will be with wear and mechanism sticking skipping or slipping and you can reduce that scenario with good choice, some maintenance and possibly easy warranty if choose right brand .
 

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My go to is my snap on 80 tooth... it is smoother, and has less back drag than an 88 tooth matco... no experience with the gear wrench 84 or 90, but I wanted to like that 88 tooth matco, and well... compared to the snap on.... it ***** in every aspect.

as MR B said... once you get over 72, it all comes down to how good it's machined... more teeth don't necessarily mean its better...
 

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I'm not a heavy user, but I can't really tell a difference between 72 and 90 teeth in use. As the others said...handle comfort and back drag is more important in my limited experience.
 

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My go to is my snap on 80 tooth... it is smoother, and has less back drag than an 88 tooth matco... no experience with the gear wrench 84 or 90, but I wanted to like that 88 tooth matco, and well... compared to the snap on.... it ***** in every aspect.

Agree 100% but I doubt Dual 80s are in the OPs budget. Only reason I still own any Matcos is because their ratchet mechanism ***** less than Snap-ons locking flex mechanism.

The GW 84T is part of the same weak, jam-o-matic, Danaher>Apex 8xT ratchet family so personally I'd try the 90T version. Guess I need to check whether they make 90T locking flex........................
 
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Agree 100% but I doubt Dual 80s are in the OPs budget. Only reason I still own any Matcos is because their ratchet mechanism ***** less than Snap-ons locking flex mechanism.

The GW 84T is part of the same weak, jam-o-matic, Danaher>Apex 8xT ratchet family so personally I'd try the 90T version. Guess I need to check whether they make 90T locking flex........................

I have a Dual 80 in 3/8" drive F80 to be exact, and the FLF80A. I was looking at GW 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" wrenches and saw they went from 84 tooth to 90 tooth recently. Which made the pricing on the 84 tooth wrenches look more appealing, and got me thinking about adding to my tool box a little more. Based on what you said about jamming the 90 tooth might be the way to go, but the jury is still out on the reviews.
 
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I have the 120xp flex ratchets. My only real complaint is the joint. I hate detents and they all have a little side to side play. I might grab a GW if I know it'll get covered in grease and oil but I reach for my SK LP90 flex and Snap-on Dual80s first.
 

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Not mixing apples and oranges with throwing other brands into the equation, Yes, I think the Gearwrench 90 tooth ratchets are better in some aspects than their 84 tooth series.
Now, I only own two Gearwrench 90 tooth comfort grip flex head ratchets in 1/4 & 3/8 drives and my observations are only based on about a month's use.
Visual differences: the comfort grip handle is now black and orange instead of red & black. it's shaped slightly different. the end of the comfort grip handle is tapered more and they've added rings or grooves towards the end of the handle to prevent your hand from slipping off. The 1/4 drive comfort grip handle lost the flat spot on the backside of the handle and is now round. the 3/8 drive model's handle is still flat on the backside. On the ratchet heads, Gearwrench added their new GW logo. Below that is a stamped 90T instead of the laser etched 84 tooth, and beneath the recessed direction switch, added four stamp lines or grooves. I don't know if these are cosmetic, to prevent accidental direction changing, or a new place for grease & grime to collect. :dunno: The ratchet head edges are radiused on the 90 tooth model similar to the 120xp but, the head remains as thin as the 60/84 tooth series.
The big differences between the 84 & 90 tooth versions is the pawl & drive gears. The gear cover plate on the 90 tooth ratchet is smaller than the 84 tooth and the gears themselves are supposed to be harder on the 90 tooth version. The drive gear is no longer flat on the back and has a small hole instead. I know you won't be able to swap a Matco repair kit into a 90 tooth ratchet. Not that you would want to but, some people did it with the 60 & 84 tooth ratchets for some unknown reason to me.
The only downside I've noticed about the 1/4 90 tooth flex head ratchet is that the ears or sides of the ratchet head don't hug the handle as closely as I think they should. there's a good 1/8 inch gap between the bottom edge of the ratchet head and the top of the handle. I think the gap should be next to nothing. Now, I own 60/84 tooth Gearwrench ratchets. I wouldn't consider upgrading to 90 teeth across the board because, I'm happy with what I have but, i did pick up the two 90 tooth flex heads because, at 8.25 inches long for the 1/4 inch flex head, and 13.5 inches long overall for the 3/8 flex head, they're my most used ratchets with thin heads. Besides, it's my understanding from speaking with the Gearwrench reps at SEMA last year, that the 90 tooth platform will eventually replace all of the 84 tooth versions just like, the 84 replaced the 60 tooth versions. Gearwrench really needs to offer a 3/8 drive in that 1/4 drive flex head body though. :lol: :beer:
 

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Well, it's obviously six better.



Exactly what I was thinking. I don’t think that 6 more teeth will make a noticeable difference. But the marketing **** dictionary says that a higher number has to be more better.


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I have a Dual 80 in 3/8" drive F80 to be exact, and the FLF80A. I was looking at GW 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" wrenches and saw they went from 84 tooth to 90 tooth recently. Which made the pricing on the 84 tooth wrenches look more appealing, and got me thinking about adding to my tool box a little more. Based on what you said about jamming the 90 tooth might be the way to go, but the jury is still out on the reviews.

I use set of 84T long flex for over 2 years in daily autoshop kit and had no issue with any of them, they not greatest ratchet on world but shoot well above price you can pay when buy 2 or 3pc sets .
They way better than the 120xp but plenty very nice ratchets can be found from tekton carlyle, capri, facom for smilar price but better design/manufacture .
 

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There is little to no difference in feel. I have both a made in Taiwan GW 84 tooth ratchet and a made in China Canadian Tire Maximum 90 tooth ratchet that is sourced from Apex tool group. The internals are almost 100 percent identical. Unless they actually change the design of the ratcheting mechanism significantly, there shouldn't be much of a difference.
 
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Thanks for the replies. It seems as a result of the 90 tooth GW, the prices for the 120XP have come down too. A good mechanic buddy of mine swears by them.
 

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I tried the 120xp ratchets, and I just don't care for them. Larger head, action not as crisp, no thanks.

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they worse than the 84T
capri and carlyle do some nice ratchets pro usable at mid range price .
 

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I have a Dual 80 in 3/8" drive F80 to be exact, and the FLF80A. I was looking at GW 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" wrenches and saw they went from 84 tooth to 90 tooth recently. Which made the pricing on the 84 tooth wrenches look more appealing, and got me thinking about adding to my tool box a little more. Based on what you said about jamming the 90 tooth might be the way to go, but the jury is still out on the reviews.

I can't see why you would want to go from a Dual 80 to a GW product.
 

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I have a Dual 80 in 3/8" drive F80 to be exact, and the FLF80A. I was looking at GW 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" wrenches and saw they went from 84 tooth to 90 tooth recently. Which made the pricing on the 84 tooth wrenches look more appealing, and got me thinking about adding to my tool box a little more. Based on what you said about jamming the 90 tooth might be the way to go, but the jury is still out on the reviews.

I'd wait on them, surely the 84-tooth will get clearanced at some point this year and they're really solid ratchets.
 
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I can't see why you would want to go from a Dual 80 to a GW product.

There are some people who like the Matco 88 tooth ratchets more than dual 80 ratchets. The GW 84 tooth ratchets are pretty much the same thing and there are locking flex head models available.
 

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I don't have a 84T to compare but I measured a D80, LP90 and my 120xp. All 3/8 ratchets. Most likely if one ratchet won't fit, none of them will. Here's the measurements:

SK LP90 0.5029x1.126"
D80 0.5662x1.208"
GW 120xp 0.5509x1.319"
 
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I can't see why you would want to go from a Dual 80 to a GW product.

Maybe his dual 80 is to thick to fit somewhere because Snap on made the heads massive?

My Dual 80 is in 3/8" drive. I have other ratchets in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive but I was looking for something, slim, strong, and with a high tooth count for tight spots. I also didn't want to pay Snap On, or other truck prices for it.
 

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I don't have a 84T to compare but I measured a D80, LP90 and my 120xp. All 3/8 ratchets. Most likely if one ratchet won't fit, none of them will. Here's the measurements:

SK LP90 0.5029x1.126"
D80 0.5662x1.208"
GW 120xp 0.5509x1.319"

The 120xp is significantly larger than the 84T.

My Dual 80 is in 3/8" drive. I have other ratchets in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive but I was looking for something, slim, strong, and with a high tooth count for tight spots. I also didn't want to pay Snap On, or other truck prices for it.

The 84T is great. I own about a dozen of them and use about 6 of them at work. I'd absolutely reccomend them, that said the 90T looks equally as promising.
 

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I have some 84 and 120 tooth gear wrench stuff in 1/4 and 3/8. Once I got on the 120T bandwagon, I haven’t looked back. I still use the 84 tooth stuff but my go to is the 120T.

When did they release 90? News to me.


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Tekton 90t /thread
I've had good luck with GW, IIRC it is slimmer, and I'm really not a Tekton fan.

I have some 84 and 120 tooth gear wrench stuff in 1/4 and 3/8. Once I got on the 120T bandwagon, I haven’t looked back. I still use the 84 tooth stuff but my go to is the 120T.

When did they release 90? News to me.


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I've had good luck with GW, IIRC it is slimmer, and I'm really not a Tekton fan.

I like the Tekton tools I have, but i've never had an issue with Gearwrench so I've continued on with them. For shits and giggles, I just bought a 90T 1/4" flex, since the 84T 1/4" flex is my most used/loved ratchet. Will report back, should be here Tuesday.
 

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For the price of 84T sets it hard go wrong .
I like select carlyle ratchets more but I got no complaints on 84T as it simply good value given tools design and taiwan quality level, the locking flex is also good concept but you likely break it in pro use given time .
Tekton ratchets are pretty good (besides flex heads) and warranty easy process and that handy on mid priced ratchets getting pro use .
 
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I like the Tekton tools I have, but i've never had an issue with Gearwrench so I've continued on with them. For shits and giggles, I just bought a 90T 1/4" flex, since the 84T 1/4" flex is my most used/loved ratchet. Will report back, should be here Tuesday.
I'd be interested in your observations.

For the price of 84T sets it hard go wrong .
I like select carlyle ratchets more but I got no complaints on 84T as it simply good value given tools design and taiwan quality level, the locking flex is also good concept but you likely break it in pro use given time .
Tekton ratchets are pretty good (besides flex heads) and warranty easy process and that handy on mid priced ratchets getting pro use .
My problem with buying tools sight unseen [Tekton] is I end up with tools I might not like taking up space in my toolbox. I've had good luck with GW. Tekton for me would be a shot in the dark. OTOH if I were to see and try one I might feel differently.
 

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I don't need anymore ratchets. If GW made a long 1/2" drive flex ratchet without detents I might be interested. I like made in USA ratchets and will spend a little more to buy one. With that said, it's becoming harder to justify USA made because Asian tools have dramatically increased in quality.
 

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I'd be interested in your observations.

Great looking ratchet, looks identical minus the serrations under the selector...which I can't figure out why they did that, the backplate is a little different and the orange ring. I actually intended to scratch the paint off because I thought it was tacky but it looks much better in person. I'll leave it be. I think the 90T might be a hair smaller side to side, but my digital caliper is at work, maybe I'll measure them but I probably will forget. Mechanism feels exactly the same, very crisp, audible clicks, very little back drag. The joint is greased from the factory with a little bit of black lube/grease. No idea on the internals, I don't typically open up a ratchet unless I have a problem with it. It'll be put into service at home, tho I could bring it to work and replace the 84T I have there? Dunno. Enjoy the pics, best I could do, the lights in this house are all fairly dim. Made in taiwan

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I don't have the 90t ratchets but I have the 84t and a few 120xp. For my needs I don't need a smaller swing arc than what 84t provides. I'd rather have a more compact/thinner ratchet head. I don't really use my 120xp ratchets because the 84t are slightly thinner. It's a small difference but on more than a few occasions it made all the difference in accessing a bolt in a tight space.

As far as strength, I don't see many reports of 84t breaking. I haven't broken any of mine and if I did I'd just send it in for warranty replacement. If I were in the market for new ratchets now I'd buy the 84t that are being discounted.
 

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...looks identical minus the serrations under the selector...which I can't figure out why they did that...

I suspect the raised lines under the selector are to minimize the appearance of scratches under the selector. The scratches will only be on the peaks of the raised lines instead of the entire surface so scratches won't be as visible. Might seem silly but appearances gets lots of peoples attention. I recall a reviewer on this forum mentioning scratches under the selector on a ratchet.
 
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The gear wrench ratchets i have have ranged from absolute **** to mediocre. They all seem to lock up pretty regularly. I want to try the 90, but why bother? Ive had no luck with tekton either. Carlisle and capri have been good to me.
 
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