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Vise, those peened over stud ends will require some additional techniques to save. I've used a very small and sharp cold chisel to reform the top thread as it comes out of the nut. I've resorted to using a torch to heat the peened over metal to soften it to make the reshaping easier.
It's truly a labor of 'love' to do this sort of work to save the nuts and studs. But your vise looks so perfectly preserved that having to resort to painting it to hide the color and finish on new fasteners would in my eye, ruin the vise, or certainly at least diminish it's wonderful patina.
Hopefully you will find that the nuts will at least turn after some oil and heat, then you can work on each nut and get them off.

Is anything broken on the vise or for some other reason it HAS to come apart?

PierceA
 
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Vise -- as owner of a few Parkys I should know the answers to your questions.

However, while I've stripped and repaired the woodworking QR mechanism (many parts are interchangeable with the much later Records, which copied P), I've not done this for t the bench top/engineer type - what I would say is that the spring on QR may be brittle after 130 years.

For my personal satisfaction, it's been enough to fettle, clean and tidy (repaint or oil) the working examples I have.

I think my biggest old Parky, very like yours, but not quite as big, not only has the 4 screws/bolts holding the 2 castings of the static but also a couple of locating pins. Don't forget, slightly later versions of the same Parky had a single casting static, and they will dismantle OK. I think the best bet if you need to start a strip down is the pin at the end of the slide.

Sorry I don't have the full answer - most likely next time I take my big one out, it'll stick and I'll have to take it to pieces.
 

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Reed 424-1/2 swivel jaw coachmaker's vise.
Date stamped 1-26. Won't win any beauty contests but seems like an uncommon model.
4-1/2" jaws, opens 10", weighs 78 lbs.

The pin came out by hand and the jaw swivels, although it is snug. I was shocked!!!
 

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Vise...Is there a back story on the Parkinson vise that I missed? It's certainly worthy of one.

davethorik...Really nice pickup! You've had the pedal-to-the-metal all year, with regard to your vise acquisitions.
 

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Thanks, guys. I haven’t messed with the pin yet. Will have to get it up on the table for a closer inspections soon.

Fierljeppen - not much of a story other than I made deal for this vise over a year ago when it was sitting in the UK and it finally arrived on Friday. Seems to have been made late 1800s/early 1900s and is a predecessor to other UK-made quick release vises. I haven’t seen another one this big, but maybe others have. I’m not very knowledgeable about Parkinsons and am always interested in learning more, if others have more information to share.
 

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Remove the taper pin at the rear
Remove the screws that hold the QR bracket around the screw at the front
Activate the QR and pull the main screw and the QR out the front in one
Turn over and remove the nut
Then the dynamic should pull out.

This is the method I use for the later type of QR and I don't believe these early ones are different.
 

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Remove the taper pin at the rear
Remove the screws that hold the QR bracket around the screw at the front
Activate the QR and pull the main screw and the QR out the front in one
Turn over and remove the nut
Then the dynamic should pull out.

This is the method I use for the later type of QR and I don't believe these early ones are different.

Thanks very much! Will report back when I get some room to try this. :beer:
 

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Here’s my first vintage vise, craftsman 5186 made by Reed. I can’t wait to restore it and start using it. Currently using a crappy HF vise that I had to repair after just using it to hold 1” square tubing I was cutting for a welding cart.
 

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That’s a nice Reed. I already got a Morgan Chicago 35 that should arrive next wknd from Georgia. I also lucked into a littlestown 450. I haven’t taken a pic of that yet. Here’s the Morgan.

Just saw the price of that Reed on EBay. GEEZ!!!! I didn’t pay anywhere near that for mine.
 

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G'day folks,

Figured I would finally join up a couple of weeks ago after coming across this forum, never could I begin to imagine the wealth of knowledge here...

Anyway, figured as I recently returned from deployment and got around to getting a new bench vise, I figured that would make a good first post.

For quite a while now I've had a 100mm Irwin Record Bench Vise, Grey Cast Iron, "Made in Sheffield - China :lol:". Given that, not too bad for what I use it for, except that I've been afraid of breaking it while making brackets, and being a standard pattern is a pain in the **** when you want to work on anything in its vertical orientation and that is longer than the throat is deep (retic sprinklers, rudders, garden power tools in any orientation, etc).

What I really wanted was a Dawn 100mm Cast Offset, but that is financially out of reach, even the second-hand ones that recently turned up on FB Marketplace and Gumtree around here are going for near their as new price (and these are fairly beaten up, they wanted $375 and $430 respectively).

Enter the ITM (formerly Trademaster) 100mm Offset Fabricated Steel Vise.

Just under 3x the price of a new Irwin Record at $154 AU (the on sale price, normally $235, but at that point I'd be trying very hard to negotiate a deal on a fabricated Dawn....), and appears to be at the high end of Chinese made gear (I’m assuming China since I can't find a clue as to where it's been made, Nicon factory in India is another possibility, even Dawn doesn't make their fabricated vices in Australia anymore..... The lowest I could find for a new fabricated Dawn was $300 including freight.

Anyway, it has a nice thick machined one-piece spindle, with a roll-pin in through-hole to retain the spring (too small a diameter to be a likely point of failure via the spindle shearing off) and what I’m told is a Ductile Iron Nut, so not likely to break that either. Support plates are 8mm, jaw plates are 12mm. 14mm holes in the base that take M12 bolts quite handily. For the price, I can't complain, have already taken advantage of the offset feature several times, and look forward to seeing what it can take. Being Fabricated Steel, it will be easy to have repaired if I break it (looking at the welds either side of the rear of the dynamic jaw plates to the slide, if anything will fail first, it's those). I've attached numerous photos to give you an idea of its size and construction, and also in comparison to the 100mm Irwin. The jaws are almost twice the thickness on the ITM. Also, in the photo where the dynamic jaw wound out, that is with the rear end of slide flush with the rear of the body (the max I would take it to).

The other vice I had considered was a Bunnings 150mm Craftright Offset at $75, however the price and the quality on inspection in-store was... well... not flash, the spindle is of a significantly smaller diameter than what I have now.

I'll start a Garage Gallery thread down the track once I've tidied up. It's what is now considered a two car garage in new houses built in Australia since the early 2000's :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Let's just say you could get two cars in, but you'd only be able to get in and out of one of them......

Of course I thought I was being quite clever with consolidating space and storage, until I saw that YouTube video of the (I think) 8 by 4 foot workshop.

Can't get over the American vises either, the Reeds are unreal and ridiculously heavily built.... Very curious as to why Offset vises never took off in the US, or at least became a reasonably available option?

Cheers all :)

Edit:

There's a 200mm Dawn Standard shop vice for $85 on FB Marketplace at the moment for those living in and around Perth.... get on it.
 

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Awesome find there Dave!

Thanks outlaw! I was excited about this one!

Vise...Is there a back story on the Parkinson vise that I missed? It's certainly worthy of one.

davethorik...Really nice pickup! You've had the pedal-to-the-metal all year, with regard to your vise acquisitions.

Thanks Fierljeppen, the lines of this vise are really growing on me.

Dave, real nice Reed.---It's got all the bells and whistles.---I love the Coachmakers.


You can own it's twin too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Reed-...048844?hash=item56d237a24c:g:l9QAAOSwAGxeB2uA

Va,
Yikes that is a nice vise but too rich for my blood. The 424-1/2 was 1/3 the price but i had to take the workbench it was bolted to also, seller wouldn't separate. He was just trying to clear space in his shop.

It worked out for everyone...he got room, i got a vise, and my mom got a nice sturdy potting bench to use for gardening. :beer:
 

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TOJ, Hollands made offsets as far back as 1909 but there seems to be very few of them.---Could be that because they were made of cast that they were unreliable as they were subject to different stress points than conventional bench vises.---Seems that all modern day offsets are fabricated out of plate steel.
 

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T.O.Judgie,
Yessir, it is strange that offsets are few and far between here in the ununited states.
And in AU there are lots of fabricated ones from many different places!

What is the matter with us Yanks!?
(that's rhetorical, don't answer)
: - )

And thanks for all the photos - you've made me somewhat jealous of that thing.
:- )

BTW: I live in Boring, Oregon and one of our sister cities is Bland, NSW
 
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T.O.Judgie,
Yessir, it is strange that offsets are few and far between here in the ununited states.
And in AU there are lots of fabricated ones from many different places!

What is the matter with us Yanks!?
(that's rhetorical, don't answer)
: - )

And thanks for all the photos - you've made me somewhat jealous of that thing.
:- )

BTW: I live in Boring, Oregon and one of our sister cities is Bland, NSW
Charles,

No worries, I intend to be active with that sort of thing, until the next lot of sea-time anyway. Personally I'm jealous of all those Wilton Bullets. For something built to be used industrially, they also have real design style and from everything you read on here, almost bullet-proof......
 
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TOJ, Hollands made offsets as far back as 1909 but there seems to be very few of them.---Could be that because they were made of cast that they were unreliable as they were subject to different stress points than conventional bench vises.---Seems that all modern day offsets are fabricated out of plate steel.
Now that is interesting,

How many of those do you estimate were produced? were they of grey or ductile iron construction?
 
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Now that is interesting,

How many of those do you estimate were produced? were they of grey or ductile iron construction?


Hard to say.---You never know how many were lost to the war effort.---And that goes for all brands of vises.---But very few have shown up on this forum.---Even my Father and Grandfather were hauling wagon loads of (anything steel) to the freight train yard as fast as they could round up a load.---As far as grey or ductile, someone else would have to chime in.---I know that Columbian was using ductile but don't know about Hollands.
 

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Judgie and others - in the UK I believe Record made offset vices under their Leader (weld fab) brand, (I have an early one or even predecessor I think?) I think there were also a few cast steel offsets by Fortis, but not sure of that. Greyrabbit would know.

and his advice on the Parky is spot on - leave those static side screw alone unless you really must dismantle.

I'm not a gun person (a heavy poker from the fireside is max artillary for me) but I see references to S&Ws etc - there's an interesting Bisley vice on the bay here - you can tell me - is this for gun maintenance or as a grip for target shootin?
 

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Can anybody help me out with identifying this vise? I was thinking parker? I dont see a collar, maybe rock island? Any guess at the width or model?? Any help is appreciated.
 

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Athol, the huge jaw support is a giveaway.

:+1:

G'day folks,

Figured I would finally join up a couple of weeks ago after coming across this forum, never could I begin to imagine the wealth of knowledge here...

Can't get over the American vises either, the Reeds are unreal and ridiculously heavily built.... Very curious as to why Offset vises never took off in the US, or at least became a reasonably available option?

Cheers all :)

Actually, American offset vises did exist and in many options, but not in the same style of a Hollands Mfg. Co. or Dawn offset vise.
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While England dominated the quick-release vise market, The Americans produced the most off-set vises, in a rotating jaw version. This style of an offset vise goes back to at least 1870 and possibly earlier. The following are a few examples from pre-1900.

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The advertisement below shows a Pittsburgh Automatic Vise Co. rotating vise being used in an offset manner.

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Judgie and others - in the UK I believe Record made offset vices under their Leader (weld fab) brand, (I have an early one or even predecessor I think?) I think there were also a few cast steel offsets by Fortis, but not sure of that. Greyrabbit would know.

and his advice on the Parky is spot on - leave those static side screw alone unless you really must dismantle.

I'm not a gun person (a heavy poker from the fireside is max artillary for me) but I see references to S&Ws etc - there's an interesting Bisley vice on the bay here - you can tell me - is this for gun maintenance or as a grip for target shootin?

Record did
View media item 60367Though I think they were mostly marketed to Australia, I have not seen another here so they are not common.
Fortis did as well and unusually they are left hand offset, I do not have one of those.
 

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fierjleppen, that's a great info archive of US made rotating jaw vises - looks like they go back a long way.

You may know that there's an English version of these, Swinden's, made for at least 80 years (?) and still available (new, made in East Anglia, England) in several sizes, with optional swivel bases and heavy vehicle mounts (for the military etc) - they're even more expensive than most quality new vises (if you can find such). There was also a weld-fab equivalent 'The Herbert - Armoured' from a London maker for a few years.

Most vises on the UK used market are very cheap - low tens of $$ if rusty but good and $200 is a high price for a well cleaned, lubed and repainted used vice of any size, QR or not, unless a historic rarity.

However the Swindens can go for much more.

And the other costly vise is the combo of a blacksmith's vise and original farrier-type stand/table.
 
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Please help with nailing down the identity of this Columbian. The stamp pad says "556", but the first "5" appears to be stamped over an original "6". After these stamped digits is a cast "M".

Look how robust (and long)the fixed-jaw base is! And what's with the lever by the meatball? This model is clearly steel (not iron), as seen in the welds. Someone welded the base down to a huge hand cart, and It's been hidden in plain sight for years.

I could not find this model in any old literature. Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 

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Repost w/ (hopefully) corrected photos that will display to all

Here's my first post in this particular thread.

New to me:

WILTON 400S

She's been sitting, buried on the lowest shelf of the deepest corner of my buddy's garage for ~1+ year and I finally got it. Traded him some work for it. Nothing crazy - just building and installing some shelves in his garage believe it or not.

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Now that I have a big kid vise, I wanted to build a big kid vise stand to go with it. Importantly, I wanted to make sure that I made the stand from the jump, rather than tell myself I "plan to" make a proper stand for it for the next ~3 years.

Picked through the metal supply store's remnant/cut-off room and came up with:

Bottom plate: 3/4" x 18" x 18" Mild Steel
Column: 1/4" wall x 6" ID Steel Pipe
Top plate: 1/2" Steel cut to vise's swivel plate's outline + 1/2" all around
Hardware: 5/8"x11TPI G8 Hex Bolts + nuts

Stitch-welded base-to-column, column-to-top plate

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Photos aren't the best, but I just finished it up and packed it into the garage for the night.

Plans are to:

- Prime & paint the stand
- Put some wheels on it somehow without creating a tripping hazard/annoyance
- Make a waxed canvas cover sack to keep the rust off it when not in use (I'm not one who needs/uses this kind of heavy duty vise every single day, especially at the house)

I don't have space enough for a ton of anything, so this one is a user - no doubt about it.

I am excited.
 

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1cargarage...Very nice setup! You can never go wrong with a contemporary Wilton machinist vise, as long as the price is right. I always prefer the pedestal setup which eliminates the need for a swivel base.



Please help with nailing down the identity of this Columbian. The stamp pad says "556", but the first "5" appears to be stamped over an original "6". After these stamped digits is a cast "M".

Look how robust (and long)the fixed-jaw base is! And what's with the lever by the meatball? This model is clearly steel (not iron), as seen in the welds. Someone welded the base down to a huge hand cart, and It's been hidden in plain sight for years.

I could not find this model in any old literature. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks.


That's the first Columbian Hardware Co. quick-release machinist vise I've ever seen. I hope you or another worthy vise collector will be able to rescue that unicorn. Amazing find!

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Judgie and others - in the UK I believe Record made offset vices under their Leader (weld fab) brand, (I have an early one or even predecessor I think?) I think there were also a few cast steel offsets by Fortis, but not sure of that. Greyrabbit would know.

and his advice on the Parky is spot on - leave those static side screw alone unless you really must dismantle.

I'm not a gun person (a heavy poker from the fireside is max artillary for me) but I see references to S&Ws etc - there's an interesting Bisley vice on the bay here - you can tell me - is this for gun maintenance or as a grip for target shootin?

Danny, that is likely a vise for pistolsmithing. It's too small for a lot of rifle work - if an unbarreled (bolt) action, perhaps. Also a clamp on so light duty use.
 

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Wow, thank you sir! What great information on this Columbian! I will surely rescue it first, and then decide what the heck to do with it. Thanks again!
 

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PSCo1867, you know the slide and base on that Columbian looks like Record style/castings.---And as Fierljeppen said, that's the first quick-release Columbian I've seen also.---Just wondering if Columbian didn't commission Record to roll out a few across the pond for them.---Record did love the quick release feature you know.---:dunno:
 

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Fierljeppen, I like your thinking on the offset inquiry.---You know I never thought of a rotator as an offset but now it occurs to me that they are actually a better offset with more reach, more depth, and more versatile.---Only differance might be the material they're made of.---But rotators weren't meant to be abused and over used anyway.---I've got a dozen rotators of various makers and never once thought of them as offsets.---But one can easily see why the rotators would upstage the offsets in the good old US of A,
 

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So I believe I just got lucky last night on an eBay listing that was missing some important key words. Or maybe it was the brazed repair that turned people off, but either way, I'm still pretty happy that I scored this little Prentiss Jeweler's vise for a pretty small sum last night.

My plan is to remove some of that brazing and see if I can figure out where the original break was and go from there. The end state is that it'll be sitting on my desk, so I'm not terribly concerned with usability.

What do you all think is the best course of action?
 

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MORE about the PositionALL - this time with a GOOD video : - )

Here's a quick video showing a few of the features of the PositionALL , the darn-near-universally adjustable work mount.

This is a proof-of-concept/prototype. The finished tool will be powder coated and quite elegant (of course!).
: - )

There's more features coming to it soon, I'm still in the design/prove-out stage.

Please, let me know ALL of your thoughts, complaints, questions, comments, kudos, and amazement!
: - )

At the start of the video I have my fave Wilton 3" vise on it (my 150 lb. Amer. Scale vise is a bit much, you know?), then I swap that out for a base fixture that can have ANYTHING mounted to it.

You see, the PositionALL is designed to accept any 1-12" square tube mount that you want to weld up.

Yeah, this is an unedited video that just shot a half hour ago.

Cheers!

 
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I finally got a Wilton!

I paid $60 for it on Facebook marketplace. I’m going to restore it! I have it disassembled for now I’ll have to find the hardware for it but in very excited! I’ve wanted a Wilton for a long time! 9b6dddfd5741ab7da3600df42fc3203d.jpg5ae731b8d2cb92c3eeab307eb81db8ee.jpg


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