Show Your Heritage Logo Love

[JoCoSawdust]

Crown badged AMD boxes had a much shorter run time than did the Heritage badged equivalent ooba. The catalogs show the transition from Heritage to Crown in 1959 (the last year the catalogs show AMD made boxes). The catalogs are, of course, always behind what was going on in the trenches. We knew there were Crown AMD boxes out there date stamped 58. With that dirty paper Old Radar posted, the "change" period seems to bump to the left even more.

Same on the wrench racks. They ran for years marked with the Heritage logo. Not so much with the Crown logo as the wrench racks went away very early in the Crown era.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Cool! To both of you. Do people seek out the Crowntop cabs because they may be more scarce?

I would say it depends on the collector... it may drive a price up or down depending on your perspective. I like it and think it drives the price up in my book because it is an odd specimen in terms of logo vs. what the rest of the years have for logo as well....99% of the public wouldnt know the difference but the real tool nerds do and I think it is cool just because it didnt have a very long run ...

 

[Smokeshow69]

Thinking aloud here...if a Crown labeled AMD box was delivered to a customer's doorstep in the first half of the second month of 1958......it about had to have been manufactured in late 57?

Thoughts?

I was actually pondering that myself JoCo... Transportation back then wasnt what it is now....I wouldnt be suprised if it was manufactured in October or November of 1957. This is a whole rabbit hole that Rileysan and I have some theories on based upon the distribution of the Pressteel made Deluxe roller and being listed as being available through truck freight...

 

[Smokeshow69]

Ed: Yet another great find. You're really on a roll!

ooba: Sorry I missed your question. Your stack is 45-48ish. The early Heritage boxes had two pulls per drawer (horrible design feature). Not knocking your boxes at all, they're fantastic matched specimins, just that 2 pulls per drawer makes it a two handed operation to open a drawer if there's any weight in it. Great early stack!

OR: +1 on great documentation!! The more dirty paper we find on these things, the more we can narrow things down. Catalogs are a mediocre source of information at best in all things Sears related.

Smokes: Looking at that pitiful Crown 8d, I can tell it really, REALLY wants to live in North Carolina.

In regards to my Crown 8d, if you were closer I would be tempted to trade just so we can both have matched sets since I know my set didnt start life together In other great news, I was able to get a few needed parts for this from Rileysan so I can finish working on both boxes!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I recall part of that conversation/theory Smokes and I tend to agree about the Deluxe Roller. I've yet to see as much as a basket case one of those. Every one that I'm aware of is left of the Rockies.

I'd have a hard time parting with my Heritage 8d as there's a Heritage 10d sitting on top of it. I passed on that oddball Crown 7d roller I showed you. Seller was not very responsive, wouldn't send additional pics and was a bit of an a-hole in general. I didn't feel like making the drive to put money in his hands. I'll land a Crown 8d one of these days.

 

[Old Radar]

Well, here is the delivery notice with the 2-13 date--no year. The form was revised on 1-21-58. This got me second-guessing myself as the form date only establishes a no-earlier-than date and could easily be a year old. Then I remembered to check the AMD embossing behind the CM badge--both the roller and the top box are embossed with 58. Again, not definitive for the same reason. I'll have to look at the paperwork again tomorrow to see what made me sure of the '58 delivery date.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks for the update Radar. Regardless, that's some great dirty paper you have there.

Since we're Heritaging tonight...

I recently picked this box up from eBay. Possibly THE worst place to snag a toolbox but I didn't fair too poorly on the price. I can never bring myself to say that I "won" an auction since it always costs me money. I've been hunting this box for a while now, finding three in the wild but all missing the tray. Since the tray is a large part of what makes this box unique, I passed on those.

Unless my research is flawed, this box was only available containing a 3/4d socket set. From post war up until 1951, the box is shown with the SK-made set. The MDF-made set takes over in the 52 catalog and remains in this box up until 1954. In 55, the 3/4d set moves to a long handle (dome) box.

If I'm not mistaken (please correct me if I am), SK sold the same box in a wrinkle green with their logo. This is the second Heritage box I've found with the unique "tabs" in the corners of the interior to support the tray. I've seen a smaller SK box that's very similar to the smaller Craftsman box that I have, both with the corner tabs and a handle-at-each-end lift out tray. Does anyone know the OEM of the SK boxes?

Anyhow...I've done nothing to it yet except dump the complimentary mouse **** out of it. I'll WD40/0000 steel wool it, wax it and continue searching for an SK made set to go in it.

And the other corner tab box:

 

[Smokeshow69]

Thanks for the update Radar. Regardless, that's some great dirty paper you have there.

Since we're Heritaging tonight...

I recently picked this box up from eBay. Possibly THE worst place to snag a toolbox but I didn't fair too poorly on the price. I can never bring myself to say that I "won" an auction since it always costs me money. I've been hunting this box for a while now, finding three in the wild but all missing the tray. Since the tray is a large part of what makes this box unique, I passed on those.

Unless my research is flawed, this box was only available containing a 3/4d socket set. From post war up until 1951, the box is shown with the SK-made set. The MDF-made set takes over in the 52 catalog and remains in this box up until 1954. In 55, the 3/4d set moves to a long handle (dome) box.

If I'm not mistaken (please correct me if I am), SK sold the same box in a wrinkle green with their logo. This is the second Heritage box I've found with the unique "tabs" in the corners of the interior to support the tray. I've seen a smaller SK box that's very similar to the smaller Craftsman box that I have, both with the corner tabs and a handle-at-each-end lift out tray. Does anyone know the OEM of the SK boxes?

Anyhow...I've done nothing to it yet except dump the complimentary mouse **** out of it. I'll WD40/0000 steel wool it, wax it and continue searching for an SK made set to go in it.

And the other corner tab box:

I believe you are correct on identifying this as the 3/4 drive set box... Rileysan has one and he has shown it to me before but I cant remember if it has the same lid as yours.. either way, good find.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I'm certain it's the 3/4d box, I'm just not 100 percent positive it was never sold as a stand alone item. I don't see it available without the tool set included. Same with the long handle 3/4d box for the MDF set, don't think you could buy just the box.

 

[d42jeep]

Here is a very similar S-K wartime box probably made in 1945 with period appropriate S-K tools.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

I'm certain it's the 3/4d box, I'm just not 100 percent positive it was never sold as a stand alone item. I don't see it available without the tool set included. Same with the long handle 3/4d box for the MDF set, don't think you could buy just the box.

I believe it was only sold with the 3/4 drive set but dont quote me on it??

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I am not sure every item was always represented in the catalogs. Maybe was available separately but special order, like If you had the smaller set and wanted to upgrade.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

That's the one Don, thanks.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I am not sure every item was always represented in the catalogs. Maybe was available separately but special order, like If you had the smaller set and wanted to upgrade.

Thats a pretty good set otg! In my experience I seem to recall seeing more long c or crown top 3/4 drive boxes than heritage. Nice

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I have a couple bm sets in long c boxes and this one circle k with the heritage. Not sure of the timeline but I think the circle k continued a bit later than the bm.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

That is a great set OTG. Did any of the Circle K sockets ever have the Long C logo or did any of the BM sockets ever have the plain font logo? I've only seen plain font Circle K and Long C BM sockets.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I have a couple bm sets in long c boxes and this one circle k with the heritage. Not sure of the timeline but I think the circle k continued a bit later than the bm.

I cant remember the specifics but rileysan knows them...I do know the bm is quite a bit less common than the circle k

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Yes long c on the bm sockets

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here is a long c BM, one with a tall c, and a circle k. Apparently some of the BM sockets lack the long c.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks OTG. I don't see much of either in my neck of the woods.

 

[Bugeyed Earl]

This abused thing popped up on offerup a few days ago. I'm still learning about these old units and trying to figure out what era the oval logo would be from. This logo doesn't have the =wings= on the sides. Is the answer somewhere in this thread? I've only managed to get through the first 22 pages or so.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I've got two large-logo rollers that are date stamped 56 and 57. I've got one small logo roller that isn't date stamped. Earliest date stamp from AMD that I'm aware of is 55. Craftsman collecting is a bit of a guessing game but I'd put that roller you pictured as late Heritage era. I'd bet that there's a two-digit date embossed in with the AMD logo inside the drawer, behind the logo.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Not sure of age on this one. Not part number or letter code

 

[JoCoSawdust]

1/4" drive?

 

[d42jeep]

Not sure of age on this one. Not part number or letter code

It sure has an S-K look about it. This one is a postwar 3/8” drive.
-Don

 

[Oldtuleguy]

3/8 drive

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I have a seen a few odd circle k u joints and such in 3/8 drive.

 

[Bugeyed Earl]

I've got two large-logo rollers that are date stamped 56 and 57. I've got one small logo roller that isn't date stamped. Earliest date stamp from AMD that I'm aware of is 55. Craftsman collecting is a bit of a guessing game but I'd put that roller you pictured as late Heritage era. I'd bet that there's a two-digit date embossed in with the AMD logo inside the drawer, behind the logo.

Sure enough, there's a '57 stamp on this one, I missed it as I was cleaning it up! Thanks for the advice!

This box is pretty beat up, with some holes punched in the top, maybe to store screwdrivers or files, and the casters are brazed on. I might just clean it up a little and paint on some BLO to halt the rust, I like patina.

 

[ooba tooba]

I would have grabbed it too. I like the idea of preserving it as is as well. What is BLO? I have an old Craftsman mailbox looking carry box I’d like to do that to.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Boiled linseed oil

 

[Bugeyed Earl]

Yeah, the linseed oil will give it a little sheen and probably darken the paint a little. I've seen some examples where it looks pretty good sealing an old tatty paint job.

 

[ooba tooba]

Yeah, the linseed oil will give it a little sheen and probably darken the paint a little. I've seen some examples where it looks pretty good sealing an old tatty paint job.

Just watched some videos. Looks pretty cool. Just be careful with your rags. I see they can combust so don’t just pitch them or leave them in your shop. (Apologies if you already have experience with this. Don’t mean to sound preachy, but just want to make sure anyone trying this does it safely

 

[Bugeyed Earl]

Yep, the warnings are definitely worth repeating!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Nice snag Earl. I think the BLO treatment is the right fit for that box. I'm sure that one would have some great stories to tell if it could.

 

[ooba tooba]

Earl, if you do decide to go that route please post some pics for us!

 

[Bugeyed Earl]

Yes indeed, I'll definitely share the outcome.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Not sure of age on this one. Not part number or letter code

I'm stumped. My best guess is very early MDF. I have a couple of cad plated early MDF rats that have no makers mark on them but they do have the 2 horizontal lines on either side of Craftsman. Some of the smaller wrenches from the =V= era only have one line due to space, hence my question about it being 1/4" drive.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

A reasonable conclusion. I will compare it to some speeders and see if it matches anything.

 

[Bugeyed Earl]

Where's Waldo for tools: So my new roller came with the typical assortment of screws and dirt and small tools packed into various crevices. Among the debris was an old 8 point socket, a tiny Craftsman screwdriver, a little unmarked tin of rancid grease (I think,) plus something I couldn't identify until reading through this thread, where similar items pop up regularly. Can you spot it?

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Winner gets it, right?