Above 1200 Sq/FT building my BIG PARTY garage
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
We've had company here from Arizona all week so I haven't had much time to work in the garage but I did get the sign post powder coated and I'm almost ready to spray the blue paint on one side of the sign. I also have the hole dug for the sign base.
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Dan in Pasadena
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Damn Don that is a big hole. Looks like about 3 ft x 3 ft x 6 ft. Did. you dig that yourself? That's some sweaty work in this heat! Good, clean job!
shortykorte
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Fancy post and a big hole. The sign is going to be a nice addition.
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Dan
I'm beyond my digging years. Jose my helper dug it. I just drove the tractor when the time came to remove the pile of dirt from the driveway.
You are a good guesser, The hole is 3ft x 4ft x 6ft
Shorty
I need a big hole for the sign because the sign is 9' tall and 8'6" wide and will sit on that 8' pole so it needs a large foundation to sit on and not blow over in the wind.
Dan in Pasadena
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Thanks! Over 30 years in heavy civil construction. But I've been retired over 3 years now.
My dad was a brick mason - in the days when there was such a specialized trade. He didn't like doing concrete block masonry. He could be across a room and if you asked how far was item X from item Y he'd look carefully and say "3 feet 4 and 5/8 inch" - he was never off by more than 1/4". I still think it was amazing.
So Dan
Any ideas on how big the base should be for my sign if it is going to stand 17' in the air and has a flat surface of 72 sqft? I'm thinking that 2 yards of concrete should hold up against the wind.
I did get the one side of the sign painted last night and did some patch work where the tape pulled the old paint off the sign this morning
2021-05-08 15.02.41 by don long, on Flickr
Now I will wait a week before turning it over and laying it on the fresh paint.
Then I start all over again with sanding and taping. So while I wait for the paint to dry I'll pour the base full of cement.
Any ideas on how big the base should be for my sign if it is going to stand 17' in the air and has a flat surface of 72 sqft? I'm thinking that 2 yards of concrete should hold up against the wind.
I did get the one side of the sign painted last night and did some patch work where the tape pulled the old paint off the sign this morning
2021-05-08 15.02.41 by don long, on FlickrNow I will wait a week before turning it over and laying it on the fresh paint.
Then I start all over again with sanding and taping. So while I wait for the paint to dry I'll pour the base full of cement.
harley jim
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That looks so good Don, it brings back memories of a similar sign I knew as a kid. Now I need an ice cream!
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Dan in Pasadena
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What you've got already is going to be fine until it is not! Not trying to be a smart aleck but a serious wind event - which DO occur in SoCal occasionally - could easily bring down a 17 ft tall, 72 sq ft "sail."
I would suggest you get a civil engineer to give you a quick calc but based on the foot print size you've already got, I'd go deeper. Maybe auger some 18" diameter piles with rebar down another 3-4 ft. I'm just guesstimating from experience because I'm not a registered engineer. Also make absolutely sure you use high shear strength bolts. If you're guessing you'd better be right because that thing is big enough to do some serious damage to people or property if it fails. Sorry to be such a Debbie Downer.
PS: The sign looks really good and really authentic - because it IS!
I would suggest you get a civil engineer to give you a quick calc but based on the foot print size you've already got, I'd go deeper. Maybe auger some 18" diameter piles with rebar down another 3-4 ft. I'm just guesstimating from experience because I'm not a registered engineer. Also make absolutely sure you use high shear strength bolts. If you're guessing you'd better be right because that thing is big enough to do some serious damage to people or property if it fails. Sorry to be such a Debbie Downer.
PS: The sign looks really good and really authentic - because it IS!
shortykorte
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Might be best to park that beautiful sign here in Florida. We hardly get any strong winds.
Shorty
Shorty
Amazing job on the sign and pole 
In my unprofessional opinion looks like you will be fine with 3' x 4' x 6' hole, that is 72 cubic feet of concrete coming in at over 9500 lbs. I don't think she is going anywhere.
Can't wait to see it lit up
In my unprofessional opinion looks like you will be fine with 3' x 4' x 6' hole, that is 72 cubic feet of concrete coming in at over 9500 lbs. I don't think she is going anywhere.
Can't wait to see it lit up
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Fix Until Broke
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I'm not a registered professional engineer either, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Select last night, but with a few assumptions detailed below and some calculations from Mark's Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers - it looks like you're good for ~100 MPH winds before starting to tip.
Details
- 3x4x6 concrete base is 72 cubic feet of concrete at 150 lb/ft3 so weighs 10,800 pounds
- At 9' tall and 8.5 feet wide, the sign is 76.5 square feet
- With the sign on an 8 foot tall pole, the center of the sign is ~12.5 feet above the top of the base
- Assuming from the pictures that the sign is surrounded by other closely spaced buildings at least the size of a house (more so that it's not on the wide open plains of Nebraska
)- Assuming that the above mentioned concrete base is sitting on flat ground - not underground or with supporting material around it
- Assuming the flat side of the sign is parallel with the long side of the base (worst case scenario for tipping)
Calculations are where it first starts to tip, not when it actually tips over - that requires a lot more math
.If anyone has any experience with this kind of thing and/or if anyone would like more details of the above analysis - let me know, I'm glad to share and learn more in the process. The analysis is just a simple sum of moments based on the wind load on the exposed sign and exposure factors from tables in the book.
drivesitfar
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DON: I like that you are asking and hoping a few engineers stop in to check it out, but that hole looks good so far. like was said I might still did a couple 10 inch holes a couple feet deep in each end and put sonotubes and maybe some steel rebar or rods in those holes attaching it to the big pad/block.
with your sign sort of next to the building and with a lot of trees breaking a lot of the force of any wind storm passing thru you are probably ok with existing, but i'm one for over building as i'm guessing you are too.
congrats on getting 1/2 the sign almost finished and best of luck with the rest cause it looks like a ton of work.
as mentioned your bolts connecting the pole to the pad and to the sign might be the potential weak link so use some good ones which i'm also sure what your plan.
hope you are enjoying your Mother's Day!!
with your sign sort of next to the building and with a lot of trees breaking a lot of the force of any wind storm passing thru you are probably ok with existing, but i'm one for over building as i'm guessing you are too.
congrats on getting 1/2 the sign almost finished and best of luck with the rest cause it looks like a ton of work.
as mentioned your bolts connecting the pole to the pad and to the sign might be the potential weak link so use some good ones which i'm also sure what your plan.
hope you are enjoying your Mother's Day!!
Thanks Jim
We'll be serving ice cream to the next car club that stops by for a visit.
so come on over.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Dan
Rebar will go in the hole this week
Shorty
Your new nick name is going to be Pinocchio.
No wind huh.
Amazing job on the sign and pole
In my unprofessional opinion looks like you will be fine with 3' x 4' x 6' hole, that is 72 cubic feet of concrete coming in at over 9500 lbs. I don't think she is going anywhere.
Can't wait to see it lit up
Thanks tony
Hope the knee is feeling better.
I'm not a registered professional engineer either, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Select last night, but with a few assumptions detailed below and some calculations from Mark's Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers - it looks like you're good for ~100 MPH winds before starting to tip.
Details
- 3x4x6 concrete base is 72 cubic feet of concrete at 150 lb/ft3 so weighs 10,800 pounds
- At 9' tall and 8.5 feet wide, the sign is 76.5 square feet
- With the sign on an 8 foot tall pole, the center of the sign is ~12.5 feet above the top of the base
- Assuming from the pictures that the sign is surrounded by other closely spaced buildings at least the size of a house (more so that it's not on the wide open plains of Nebraska
- Assuming that the above mentioned concrete base is sitting on flat ground - not underground or with supporting material around it
- Assuming the flat side of the sign is parallel with the long side of the base (worst case scenario for tipping)
Calculations are where it first starts to tip, not when it actually tips over - that requires a lot more math
If anyone has any experience with this kind of thing and/or if anyone would like more details of the above analysis - let me know, I'm glad to share and learn more in the process. The analysis is just a simple sum of moments based on the wind load on the exposed sign and exposure factors from tables in the book.
Thank MR. fix it
With those calcs. I feel confident that I can gitrdone.
Welcome to the party.
Happy Mothers day to your bride Drives
I'm satisfied that the sign will be fine where it is going. Now to flip it over and start the work all over again.
mybigwarwagon
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I aint no enginear, but it look lyke a whole to me.
And the hole is ready for the mud.
I added the rebar today and set the forms. After a little study session I decided to bring power to the sign from the bottom and up through the pole. That ment cutting a groove in the existing sidewalk to get to the power on the side of the building
2021-05-10 14.14.19 by don long, on FlickrTomorrow morning I'll bring on the cement.
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The cement pour went well today. Had it down and finished by 2P.M.
2021-05-11 11.13.30 by don long, on Flickr
Then I grabbed the sign and flipped it over to paint the other side.
It needs a lot of help
2021-05-11 14.34.21 by don long, on Flickr
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2021-05-11 11.13.30 by don long, on FlickrThen I grabbed the sign and flipped it over to paint the other side.
It needs a lot of help
2021-05-11 14.34.21 by don long, on Flickr.
shortykorte
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Cool cement mixer.
Sure wished you did videos of your projects. Definitely would be great content.
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drivesitfar
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Nice work Don!! Is that a small concrete company’s or your mixer? Nice work getting electrical figured in.
Best of luck with the rest of restoration and your install.
Best of luck with the rest of restoration and your install.
Dan in Pasadena
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the trailer mixer is a rental from a concrete batch plant.
drivesitfar
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That was my first thought but we are talking about Don so thought I’d ask.
No videos here Shorty
You guys are lucky that I can post pictures with my limited computer knowledge
Thanks Drives
No that's not my mixer. It is a rental from a local rental yard.
It holds 1 yard of cement and you rent the mixer on top of the price of the concrete. I needed 2 yards of mud so I bought 20 bags of concrete from the big box H.D. and after pouring the original yard of mud we (my helper and I)
tore the bags of concrete open and threw them into the mixer and added water and finished out pour
The bearded guy in the photo is my brother visiting from northern Ca.
Dan, You are correct
Drives
I use it alot around here. Much easier than mixing in a wheelbarrow and much cheaper than ordering a short load from the concrete company
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Today's project was to get the pole mounted for the sign.
2021-05-13 09.17.05 by don long, on Flickr
2021-05-13 09.17.05 by don long, on FlickrThe pole sat down nicely so I put my brother to work undoing the lifting chain
The osha preferred way
2021-05-13 09.23.24 by don long, on Flickr
All bolted down waiting on the sign to be finished
2021-05-13 09.46.10 by don long, on Flickr
The osha preferred way
2021-05-13 09.23.24 by don long, on FlickrAll bolted down waiting on the sign to be finished
2021-05-13 09.46.10 by don long, on Flickrbowtiguy
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Hell yeah! Common sense > OSHA every time!
mybigwarwagon
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Of Osha shows up put them to work.
shortykorte
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Nicely done.
Boy, I look the other way and safety goes out the window. Lol
I like the authentic patina coming from the coke bottle sign.
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Boy, I look the other way and safety goes out the window. Lol
I like the authentic patina coming from the coke bottle sign.
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drivesitfar
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Looks fantastic. Well done.
Good to see you had some quality family time too.
Good to see you had some quality family time too.
Yeh Bowtie
It is so much faster too
Will do Uncle Willie
Thanks Shorty
There were no windows where we are working. That coke thermometer has been there for a few years.
Thanks Drives
My brother's name is Darwin and he came down from northern Cal to work on Ann;s computer and I put him to work on my shuffle board score board cause it quit working and he is very sharp on electronics.
He left for home this morning and I went back to work in the shop.
harley jim
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I thought Osha was a small town in Wisconsin?
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Today I felt pretty good so I hit the shop with the idea of getting something done. As I looked around I decided to work on the old stop light that made it's way into the shop in December. Before the sidewalk clock took over
Here is a reminder of that project
1 by don long, on Flickr
2020-12-26 14.57.07 by don long, on Flickr
Some time after these shots I sand blasted the light covers and thats where the project hit the brakes until today.
I managed to sand down each cover and decided to prime and paint them in the same booth cycle. So I added some reducer to the primer making it like a sealer and shot them.
2021-05-14 16.46.42 by don long, on Flickr
2021-05-14 18.01.04 by don long, on Flickr
2021-05-14 18.00.34 by don long, on Flickr
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Here is a reminder of that project
1 by don long, on Flickr
2020-12-26 14.57.07 by don long, on FlickrSome time after these shots I sand blasted the light covers and thats where the project hit the brakes until today.
I managed to sand down each cover and decided to prime and paint them in the same booth cycle. So I added some reducer to the primer making it like a sealer and shot them.
2021-05-14 16.46.42 by don long, on Flickr
2021-05-14 18.01.04 by don long, on Flickr
2021-05-14 18.00.34 by don long, on Flickr.
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It’s funny how small the main box looks without the sun shields installed.
OCD
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It is so cool to see all that old stuff saved!!
mybigwarwagon
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Nice work
Yes H.B.
It looks pretty simple after all the pieces come off
Thank You AZ
I'm happy to know that you like my doings
Thanks OCD
The old stuff has style and that's what I like!
Great job on the traffic light! Interesting tip on just thinning the primer and using it as a sealer
Thanks Tony
Because there was no bodywork done on the pieces I didn't need to do any sanding to remove sand scratches so a primer/sealer was in order.
Thanks Uncle Willie
Just not enough of it getting done lately
bolensboneyard
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Osha is putting the brakes on cussing when the wife walks in unexpectedly. Osh..! Looking good Don. I need to get into the tractor bucket for a lift with my chainsaw to trim some trees but Ginny gets left and right backwards when we are on the road so I fear up and down could follow the same electrical short. Don't want to be "grounded" unexpectedly or end up with a bunch of "Charlie Brown" Christmas trees.