The VISES of Garage Journal

[Shiftless]

Yeah, that would be the obvious solution, however, I have my vises along the bottom metal shelf of my Craftsman workbench. I really don't want to drill a hole in it if I can help it. I may try using some wood blocks, or maybe fab up it's own stand.

A custom stand would be great. You could unscrew the center post and use a short bolt to attach it to your yet to be built stand.

 

[akasrick]

The collar you need has to be made or maybe if you are lucky that someone is parting out a vise like yours. I have made many Parker collars like what you are looking for and many dimensions are needed to make one right. Find a local machinist and maybe he can help you finish your vise. I gave my collars away at $50. Buying a vise with missing parts either costs $$'s to remake or being patient by watching e-bay. I no longer make vise parts. Good luck.

What a loss.
Where is a pro when you need one!
Certainly not this picture.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachments/pcollar-jpg.1522699/

akasrick

 

[CHRIII]

Well I have been pecking away at the restoration on my Desmond Stephan vise. See post 85,306 for the before photos.

Need some help though:
1. Does anyone know where I can find a screw retainer? I’ve found some replacements for Wiltons for around $8 online. Do you think one of those would work?

2. There was a little piece of rectangular metal added to the front of the vise. Apparently that was holding in the main screw. The original must have broken (the original was horse shoe shaped from what I can tell). Anyone know where I might find something better that would fit? I don’t really have any metal machining skills.

It struck me that maybe an crowsfoot wrench with a jaw opening large enough for your spindle might work until you find the correct one. I don't know if crowsfoot wrenches are made with a wide enough opening and I'm sure that some modifications would have to be made for it to fit and be functional. Worth looking into???

Good luck

 

[ViceRoy2030]

The collar you need has to be made or maybe if you are lucky that someone is parting out a vise like yours. I have made many Parker collars like what you are looking for and many dimensions are needed to make one right. Find a local machinist and maybe he can help you finish your vise. I gave my collars away at $50. Buying a vise with missing parts either costs $$'s to remake or being patient by watching e-bay. I no longer make vise parts. Good luck.

That is some fine work KMScott!!! I lucked out and got a 978A in great condition only to break half of one of the collar screw tips off.. It's going to have to stay that way as it didnt want to come out. It's not real noticeable, only to me

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

Hey folks, I picked up this interesting mini vise today. Any idea of mfg? The only markings are "1000" cast into the body, and "germany" stamped into the top of one jaw. The design of this is pretty interesting, the screw is completely enclosed top and bottom regardless if the vise is open or closed. This design limits how far it can open though, the jaws measure 1 1/2" but only open to 1 1/8". The tiny anvil is pretty funny as well.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

I just realized I have not given official credit to Mr. Wonderful for restoring this amazing C3



C2 and C3

 

[jonshonda]

Interesting, i didn't know that. I doused everything with wd40 for now until the oil shows up. I would like to darken it up just a bit.

You are just going to have do clean it again to get the WD40 off before you apply any sort of coating, so leaving it alone after being in the tank saves some time I guess.

 

[Jayman17]

Great job on that C3 Mr. Wonderful! That’s a bright red.

Jay

 

[Shiftless]

You are just going to have do clean it again to get the WD40 off before you apply any sort of coating, so leaving it alone after being in the tank saves some time I guess.

I know you can apply oil based paint over boiled linseed oil but do you have to clean off old oil from the surface before applying oil finishes like sculpt nouveau?

 

[jonshonda]

I know you can apply oil based paint over boiled linseed oil but do you have to clean off old oil from the surface before applying oil finishes like sculpt nouveau?

While I haven't read the application instructions on sculpt nouveau, I would imagine if you want the best possible bond it should be applied to a surface that is as clean as possible. Who knows how it reacts with anything other then metal.

 

[RTM]

For some reason, I am thinking Sculpt Nouveau was just colored linseed oil (not sure if boiled or not), with some driers (or other things) added like cobalt manganese salt. So I would assume the same prep / Overcoat rules would apply.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Great job on that C3 Mr. Wonderful! That’s a bright red.

Jay

Thanks, it was his choice. Ford tractor red. I really liked it. I even put it on my columbian 508!

 

[2baditsnotachev]

I figured it'll be easier to wash the wd40 off with some brake clean, than it would've been to clean flash rust off before applying the oil.

 

[wirebrush]

That is some fine work KMScott!!! I lucked out and got a 978A in great condition only to break half of one of the collar screw tips off.. It's going to have to stay that way as it didnt want to come out. It's not real noticeable, only to me

Aren't you going to want it out at some point? It is a lot easier to remove the main screw and dynamic jaw separately when disassembling. I think one of Parker's selling points was that the screw could be removed for oiling without pulling the whole slide.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

Aren't you going to want it out at some point? It is a lot easier to remove the main screw and dynamic jaw separately when disassembling. I think one of Parker's selling points was that the screw could be removed for oiling without pulling the whole slide.

I'm not messing with that screw for now, it's fine the way it is. I've had the whole thing apart except the collar.

 

[wirebrush]

I'm not messing with that screw for now, it's fine the way it is. I've had the whole thing apart except the collar.

I can understand that. I have a Prentiss Bulldog vise where I removed the collar setscrew, but found that the collar had additionally been staked to the leade screw using deep cuts with a cold chisel. After seeing that, I put the setscrew back and left the collar alone.

 

[dandoty]

I know its the dreaded Anvil Vise but I picked it up for $15.
Its not too far gone and I am going to let Joe have a go at this and make it the nicest Cheney #30 out there.

I'm new to this forum & don't really know what I'm doing. Just looking to see if anyone has parts for a Cheney #30.

 

[1NRO]

I haven’t bought a vise in ages but this one fell into car when picking something else up recently.
It’s an Alfred Herbert armourers vice, I have one already but this is in better condition. A war effort product as far as I know, fabricated construction.

 

[bastel]

Hey folks, I picked up this interesting mini vise today. Any idea of mfg? The only markings are "1000" cast into the body, and "germany" stamped into the top of one jaw. The design of this is pretty interesting, the screw is completely enclosed top and bottom regardless if the vise is open or closed. This design limits how far it can open though, the jaws measure 1 1/2" but only open to 1 1/8". The tiny anvil is pretty funny as well.

Many companies made those.. usually there is a rhombus with a single digit for the size. Very rare to see a manufacturer mark. That 1000 is uncommon. They also made quite big ones. They aren't worth much over here.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

I can understand that. I have a Prentiss Bulldog vise where I removed the collar setscrew, but found that the collar had additionally been staked to the leade screw using deep cuts with a cold chisel. After seeing that, I put the setscrew back and left the collar alone.

Ya, it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about breaking that small piece off. I don't think that I'd be able to sleep if I made it worse.

 

[va.grouseman]

My first Ridged vise.---Paid $200.00 for it which was more than I wanted to, but seller wouldn't budge.---But it was low mileage and pretty big, and me and the Madam had driven 50 miles one way so I hated to go home empty handed.---And the thing bit me while trying to get it on the picnic table.---You can see a spot of blood (one of many) on the jaw.---The handle got me.---Weighs 150 lbs., Chain weighed 2 lbs.---Opens 13'',---6'' jaws,---Height, 12''.

 

[ejot]

^Nice! I'd spill two bills and some blood for that any day. What beautiful condition.

I can understand that. I have a Prentiss Bulldog vise where I removed the collar setscrew, but found that the collar had additionally been staked to the leade screw using deep cuts with a cold chisel. After seeing that, I put the setscrew back and left the collar alone.

I had the same exact discovery a couple weeks ago. Suddenly made sense why there were pliers gouges on the meatball. Guess they didn't have another vise.

 

[KMScott]

Nice vise va, Remember your back now. Very clean and a great price too.

 

[va.grouseman]

Few more pics.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

I can understand that. I have a Prentiss Bulldog vise where I removed the collar setscrew, but found that the collar had additionally been staked to the leade screw using deep cuts with a cold chisel. After seeing that, I put the setscrew back and left the collar alone.

Ya, it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about breaking that small piece off. I don't think that I'd be able to sleep if I made it worse.

 

[ChefRex]

Ya, it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about breaking that small piece off. I don't think that I'd be able to sleep if I made it worse.

Are you still soaking it with a penetrate?

 

[dannyr]

I haven’t bought a vise in ages but this one fell into car when picking something else up recently.
It’s an Alfred Herbert armourers vice, I have one already but this is in better condition. A war effort product as far as I know, fabricated construction.

It's a solid vise a fabricated version of the Swindens and others, but probably tougher --- does yours have the brass plaque attached to one side of the rotating body?


I have one and it does -- it's been hammered, so not every letter visible but I can see THE HERBERT. SOLID ALL STEEL SWIVEL VICE. HERBERT AND SONS LTD. 38 Charte????? Street London EC ?

There was a London Herbert and Sons in East Central London from 1840s until after 1948, which made airplane parts in WWII, so I guess it was them, not the famous Alfred Herbert of Coventry, machine tool maker who sold cast steel and iron vises under the Ajax name and also sold Fortis vises. Wonder if there was any conflict over the name, but looks like the London company was a little older.

Bit of a strange name -- in England a 'right Herbert' is not a compliment

 

[1NRO]

It's a solid vise a fabricated version of the Swindens and others, but probably tougher --- does yours have the brass plaque attached to one side of the rotating body?


I have one and it does -- it's been hammered, so not every letter visible but I can see THE HERBERT. SOLID ALL STEEL SWIVEL VICE. HERBERT AND SONS LTD. 38 Charte????? Street London EC ?

There was a London Herbert and Sons in East Central London from 1840s until after 1948, which made airplane parts in WWII, so I guess it was them, not the famous Alfred Herbert of Coventry, machine tool maker who sold cast steel and iron vises under the Ajax name and also sold Fortis vises. Wonder if there was any conflict over the name, but looks like the London company was a little older.

Bit of a strange name -- in England a 'right Herbert' is not a compliment

This one doesn't have its plaque but the other one I mentioned does albeit very battered.

Is a "right Herbert" better or worse than being a "dirty Herbert" ?!

 

[KnurledNut]

Without reading 2133 pages, what can you tell me about a Columbian made (crown logo, dadoed jaw faces) Craftsman 5183?

 

[honza.vosalik]

I'd like to get new jaws made for this vise. The existing jaws are just pressed into the pins. Any suggestions who to contact?

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Knurlednut.
Without reading 2133 pages, what can you tell me about a Columbian made (crown logo, dadoed jaw faces) Craftsman 5183?

I think most of the 518s were made by Reed.---Do you have a picture of the vise?

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I think the crown logo ones were columbian. Ive seen them on here before. the 506-51830.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Knurlednut.
Without reading 2133 pages, what can you tell me about a Columbian made (crown logo, dadoed jaw faces) Craftsman 5183?


Most of the 518s were made by Reed but there was a Crown Logo Columbian Craftsman but it starts with 506.-------506-51820 for instance, which looks like it could have been ordered in stationary or swivel base.---Some of the resident historians can give the date range.

These links might help.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...nal.44782/page-124#post-2443852--------Scroll down to post 4926.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...E86KBQRBGb9s/edit#gid=666157805--------Scroll down to the Craftsman section.

 

[KnurledNut]

I think the crown logo ones were columbian. Ive seen them on here before. the 506-51830.

Yes, thats the exact cast-in model number.

Previously posted by Knurlednut.
Without reading 2133 pages, what can you tell me about a Columbian made (crown logo, dadoed jaw faces) Craftsman 5183?


Most of the 518s were made by Reed but there was a Crown Logo Columbian Craftsman but it starts with 506.-------506-51820 for instance, which looks like it could have been ordered in stationary or swivel base.---Some of the resident historians can give the date range.

These links might help.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...nal.44782/page-124#post-2443852--------Scroll down to post 4926.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...E86KBQRBGb9s/edit#gid=666157805--------Scroll down to the Craftsman section.

From what I could see, the catalog showed them available stationary, with the swivel base sold separately.

I had no clue that spreadsheet existed! What a resource!

 

[bastel]

Not too long ago I had to enter a bidding war but I got me this mint 1st generation 80 mm bullet. (Don't accept imitations .)
If you compare it to a 1st gen Wilton, you might notice similarities.


still has some decal

Fits with my 80 mm collection and I can part with the not so mint 10 cm ones.

 

[ejot]

RI577 pickup. This would raise some eyebrows at home so I dropped it off at work where it got a warm welcome!

Broken swivel base tab, frozen swivel lock and missing handle, needs jaw work. Otherwise quite nice and turns smooth. Looks like the ladies in Colorado have 577 jaws in stock. Should be a fun little project.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

Are you still soaking it with a penetrate?

No I stopped, cleaned up the vise, put on a coat of BLO and now I just enjoy it in the garage.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Knurlednut.
I had no clue that spreadsheet existed! What a resource!

The Spreadsheet is the Magnum Opus of Dr. KMScott.---The man is an artist with a metal lathe, but the Spreadsheet is his finest work, IMO.---I refer to it several times a week.---And it's a work in process.---I put a real value on it.---Thanks KM.

 

[va.grouseman]

Nice vise va, Remember your back now. Very clean and a great price too.

You was right KM, still paying for that one.---Even taking the slide out didn't help.---Nursing the old back for the second day.---But you know the deal, can't just say you've got this or that, got to prove it.---No pics, never happened.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

You're right, there isn't much information on the web about those vises. My notes show a vise with "Bay Vise & Tool Saginaw 12 Mich" castings that looks the same as the "Superior Tool Co" vise. Although, neither one of these companies show up in any vise mfg. directories, there was a very small company, "Webster Vise Works" out of very nearby Bay City, MI that was producing vises in the late 1890's, which would've been circa correct for that style of vise.

You know I love vise puzzles, but this one is going to take some blind luck or a hard investigative effort to solve. I'd rather be lucky than good any day.

Found one this summer, still no good information out there. It's really cool though!!!