The VISES of Garage Journal

[va.grouseman]

Yea 454, They're always keeping an eye on the bidder in the depository and completely forget about the grassy knoll. ---Game over.

 

[bastel]

The "plate steel" vises are of special interest to me. Here is what I have so far:

Hugo Vogl, of Wilton Bullet fame, patented a "Screw Vise" in 1932 (US Patent No. 1887829, issued 15 Nov 1932). The patent lists Vogl as from Prague, Czechoslovakia, before he moved to the US. I have been unable to find any evidence that it was ever manufactured. After all, Vogl was probably ******* hijacking York's patent for the Bullet Vise.

Per the Vogl patent:
"The manufacture of screw vises from pressed out metal sections is very cheap and simple, since it facilitates punching of sections of any desired profiles from sheet metal for most various purposes of screw-vises, by aid of suitable punching devices."

Patent URL at USPTO site:

Patent Public Search | USPTO

pdfpiw.uspto.gov

First page of Vogl pa

this is actually a patent by Mr. Dohnal of York fame. Why Mr. Vogl applied it using his name instead of in name of Mr. Dohnal is everybodies guess but it doesn't shine the best light onto him. Especially with copying the other York patent, too. In the UK it was applied in the name of Mr. Dohnal by Vogl.
I have one of these vises and they are stamped DoKo (Dohnal Company).
There are more steel plate vises patents to discover, I've seen them.

 

[va.grouseman]

Bastel, here is another all-steel vise I have. ---It's not too pretty.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Picked up this Columbian 604-M3 this morning at an estate sale. The first "real" vise I ever had was a Columbian 604-M2. The M2 was definitely beefier than this M3 IIRC but it is still a decent vise especially when compared with today's junk. Anyone have an idea of when the M3 was being sold by Columbian? I don't think there's any date stamp on the Columbian vises but if I'm remembering that wrong someone please enlighten me. Thanks!

 

[Patrickm82]

Just finished this York 150, made a new set of jaws at work (so nice having a Bridgeport) because one is pretty beat up. Just need to trim the swivel bolts and bolt it to the bench

 

[Patrickm82]

Here’s the old and new jaws

 

[Mgdoug3]

My new jaws for the Morgan came in today and installed them. The pitted handle has been bugging me so I decided to make a new handle. The steel should be in on Monday and I'll try my luck. I won't cut the old handle off until I know I can make a good handle. After I cut it off, I'll give the lead screw a good polishing.

 

[Fierljeppen]

Picked up this Columbian 604-M3 this morning at an estate sale. The first "real" vise I ever had was a Columbian 604-M2. The M2 was definitely beefier than this M3 IIRC but it is still a decent vise especially when compared with today's junk. Anyone have an idea of when the M3 was being sold by Columbian? I don't think there's any date stamp on the Columbian vises but if I'm remembering that wrong someone please enlighten me. Thanks!

The Columbian M3 machinist vises were first advertised in the 1980's and while Columbian became part of the Wilton Corp. in the mid 1990's, the M3 vises were still being offered as "made in USA" until 2015 after which they were discontinued by Wilton.

I noticed that you are looking for a swivel base for a Wilton no. 20 "baby" vise. Why not consider getting a Wilton Powrarm no. 343 instead? It was an OEM setup for the "baby" vise and is actually worth more in that combination than the traditional swivel base.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Thanks Fierljeppen. I did get a Powr-Arm for that baby bullet. I forgot I had added that to my signature. It's been removed. Appreciate the info on the Columbian vises too!

 

[six-point socket II]

Rali Press Evolution. ( https://de.rali.ch/schraubstock.html )



Installed in October '20, one of the best purchases I ever made - such a versatile vise for an all-round DIY'er.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[ranger08]

progress on the joplin 5, all 4 jaws screws snapped off and required drilling out and tapping. Broke several drill bits in process, now have to make some new jaws so have decided to make by hand out of 12mm plate. A labour of love for sure.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Rali Press Evolution. ( https://de.rali.ch/schraubstock.html )

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Installed in October '20, one of the best purchases I ever made - such a versatile vise for an all-round DIY'er.

Kind regards,
Oliver

six-point: That's a very interesting arrangement. It seems like it would be handy for a few different uses. Is there any way that wood could be held while it was laying flat on the benchtop?

 

[six-point socket II]

six-point: That's a very interesting arrangement. It seems like it would be handy for a few different uses. Is there any way that wood could be held while it was laying flat on the benchtop?

Yes, the "jaws" are slightly higher than the benchtop/ protrude over the benchtop. I have used it to lock a Black & Decker "Jobber" in position, for example. It would work equally well with a piece of wood for sanding/planing.



Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[wtn1271]

Anyone recognize this little fella? Has "V 60" cast into the main body, an "X" and some numbers, possibly "5 3", are stamped on the wings of the mounting thumb screw. Looks like the swivel plate on the mounting screw has broken off. Kinda neat how the moving jaw is reversed and slides on the main body. Jaws are 1.5" wide.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

Newest family member:

April 1955, 05191 Craftsman WITH A BADGE this time !!!

 

[Rbcsci]

As a closet Anglophile, I’ve always liked this vise because it was made in England. It was already old when I got it and I’ve used it as my primary soft jaw vise for the past 25 years. I decided to clean it up a little bit and give it some love. It’s certainly not show quality, but I’m pretty sure that it has another 25 years left in it.

 

[firingsquad]

I've been on a pretty good run of local finds lately. The Wilton and the Chas Parker 59X came from the same place, both look like they've barely been used. The 59X is a monster compared what I'm usually buying ,had to put the little 9300 Wilton next to it for comparison. The Prentiss looks like it's had a hard life. The handle has a good bend in it, I'm probably going to see if I can straighten it in a press. And the last is the smaller Parker still has the vise wrench which was I was pretty excited about. Unsure if I'm going to restore these or resell them. I Have too many already but I just cant pass the up when I see them for sale

 

[Outlawmws]

is the Wilton a baby or a toddler?

 

[ranger08]

Newest family member:

April 1955, 05191 Craftsman WITH A BADGE this time !!!

those craftsman are great looking vices

 

[ranger08]

would anyone have any idea of age of this woodworking vice, a sheffield co

 

[KMScott]

is the Wilton a baby or a toddler?

Outlaw it’s a 8300. 3” jaws. Pretty clean.

 

[Outlawmws]

Outlaw it’s a 8300. 3” jaws. Pretty clean.

Doh! Read right past it! Thank Doc!

I nerd to get my 3" Wilton cleaned up! (and find a toddler w/swivel base. That would complete me for 2, 2-1/2, and 3" adn that's all I want in Wilton - I'm just not a big Wilton fan, other than to resell)

 

[Old Radar]

Picked up this Columbian Hardware Co. Blacksmith/Post/Leg Vise on Friday.

It weighs 39lbs, is 39" top to bottom, has 5" jaws and opens comfortably to 4.5". Overall in great shape. Spring is strong and jaws look very lightly used. Although the jaws meet together very well they seem to be slightly skewed from perpendicular to the body. Has anyone encountered this before?

There's no endcap. Googling shows several Columbians without and many un-named leg vises with them. Does anyone know for certain if there should be one?

I need some help from anyone who has or is familiar with this type of Columbian leg vise.

I started cleaning it up the other day and immediately came across what I thought was a catastrophic failure in the main nut. After degreasing the main nut and got a good look inside I saw all except the front inch and a half of the threads were just--gone!



I cannot imagine how that would happen. It can't be rust--there are some sharp edges left. I would think someone used a cheater bar on it but how would the front threads escape damage?

Now I'm beginning to wonder if it was made this way on purpose--and this is where I need the help.

If anyone has this type of vise made by Columbian Hardware Co., could you look into the main nut and see if it looks anything like mine? I would appreciate a length measurement of the interior threads. Also, my screw is only six inches long and looks like the end was sheared off along with the last inch or so of the threads. How does that compare with other vises of this type?



If anyone knows of a better venue to pose these questions, please direct me to it.

Thanks!

 

[txlonghorn1989]

I need some help from anyone who has or is familiar with this type of Columbian leg vise.

I started cleaning it up the other day and immediately came across what I thought was a catastrophic failure in the main nut. After degreasing the main nut and got a good look inside I saw all except the front inch and a half of the threads were just--gone!



I cannot imagine how that would happen. It can't be rust--there are some sharp edges left. I would think someone used a cheater bar on it but how would the front threads escape damage?

Now I'm beginning to wonder if it was made this way on purpose--and this is where I need the help.

If anyone has this type of vise made by Columbian Hardware Co., could you look into the main nut and see if it looks anything like mine? I would appreciate a length measurement of the interior threads. Also, my screw is only six inches long and looks like the end was sheared off along with the last inch or so of the threads. How does that compare with other vises of this type?



If anyone knows of a better venue to pose these questions, please direct me to it.

Thanks!

Try either or both of the big vises threads - Vises of GJ or Vise Repair.

Edit: I thought I was reading the 2021 Garage Sale thread when I posted this. Doh!

 

[neophyte]

would anyone have any idea of age of this woodworking vice, a sheffield co

Paramo supposedly didn’t start making tools till WWII, so production would likely have started then or after.
Paramo supposedly went into receivership in 2003.
Paramo was originally a foundry that made castings for Record, amongst other things, and they started manufacturing vises because either the Record manufacturing facility got bombed during WWII, or because the Ministry of Defense was worried Record would get bombed.
Sometime after WWII, Paramo set up a Tool manufacturing division, and the management bought out the division in 1981 and set up Paramo Tools Limited in a different location, with the original Paramo foundry demolished the same year.
If I have to guess, I would say that might predate PTL, since some of the later Paramo designs had a more minimalist design, however Record was still producing similar vises up until the Irwin buyout, so it’s possible Paramo just stuck with the old aesthetic.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

And the C1 makes 3, 1 more to go.


This one is REALLY clean but young. 05/90

 

[compunaut]

Picked up this Craftsman Model 5176 (together with little Stanley G12 plane) a few days ago. After fees & taxes, they came to $41.51.
The plane was made in England and fetches $12-20 on eBay, so if I can find a buyer then the total for the vise would be around $30.
Needs some cleanup, but the badge is in good shape.
I haven't found any other stamping or cast marks - where should I be looking?

 

[CRSINMICH]

Yes, the "jaws" are slightly higher than the benchtop/ protrude over the benchtop. I have used it to lock a Black & Decker "Jobber" in position, for example. It would work equally well with a piece of wood for sanding/planing.

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Kind regards,
Oliver

Oliver: That's a clever arrangement. I have a shop made shooting board that would work well held like that.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Anyone recognize this little fella? Has "V 60" cast into the main body, an "X" and some numbers, possibly "5 3", are stamped on the wings of the mounting thumb screw. Looks like the swivel plate on the mounting screw has broken off. Kinda neat how the moving jaw is reversed and slides on the main body. Jaws are 1.5" wide.

wtn: I don't know anything about your 'X' vise but I think I own one of its close relatives.

 

[douglee25]

Looking for some help here.

I was referred to this thread and told someone by the name of 'Kevin' who used to make vise jaws may be able to help?

Anyway, I have a Charles Parker 59X vise. During a moving adventure the moving company lost one of my vise jaws. I have been searching online for over a year and still can't find one.

Can anyone help?

 

[KMScott]

Looking for some help here.

I was referred to this thread and told someone by the name of 'Kevin' who used to make vise jaws may be able to help?

Anyway, I have a Charles Parker 59X vise. During a moving adventure the moving company lost one of my vise jaws. I have been searching online for over a year and still can't find one.

Can anyone help?

Must be me you are looking for. I have made Parker jaws but since then have retired and sold my machine shop. Not a easy task finding and fitting one Parker jaw. Even if you find a 59x jaw it would still need to be fit since the Parker company had real good tool and cutter grinders and built the jaw and vise cutters (male and female cutters) for production where the jaws were easier to fit. The angled pin hole and jaw face squareness will be the problem areas when fitting jaws. Good luck and keep searching one will show up eventually.

 

[va.grouseman]

Speaking of vise jaws KMS, both of My Starrett combos are fitted with jaws I'm pretty sure you made. ---One of the vises I got from Autopts, and If memory serves, he said he got the jaws from you. ---They are case hardened and they are the BEST. ---Did you make any Starrett jaws while you were in business?

 

[HiTekRedneck]

Just acquired my grandpas Holland 27 it’s had a rough life and sat outside for the past 20 years but the slide doesn’t have a lot of play and the screw is in decent enough shape. The base it broken beyond repair so I’ll b on the lookout for one or I may just end up making a new 1. Columbian 903 setting on top for reference.

 

[KMScott]

Speaking of vise jaws KMS, both of My Starrett combos are fitted with jaws I'm pretty sure you made. ---One of the vises I got from Autopts, and If memory serves, he said he got the jaws from you. ---They are case hardened and they are the BEST. ---Did you make any Starrett jaws while you were in business?

va, if you bought his 326 and the other one I can't remember then yes I used his old jaws as a master set and made my pattern fit his vise. I did figure out all the Athol/Starrett jaws and supported all of them on my old website. They are not case hardened though, they are thru hardened and annealed to 54/56 Rockwell.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

@HiTekRedneck, you are really lucky to have a monster like that passed down from your grandfather! I hope you restore it and share some pictures along the way.

 

[HiTekRedneck]

@HiTekRedneck, you are really lucky to have a monster like that passed down from your grandfather! I hope you restore it and share some pictures along the way.

I for sure will I’m trying to brush up on my tig brazing so I can patch a couple sand inclusions and the busted edges on the moveable jaw. I’ve done small jobs before but never anything with this much mass.

 

[sz0k30]

---I'd get a third if I didn't have 4 implants to pay for.

2 for the wife and 2 for the girlfriend?

 

[va.grouseman]

2 for the wife and 2 for the girlfriend?

No, I'm afraid they're all for me. ---Had a bridge put in to replace 2 bad teeth, so they had to ground down 2 good teeth to anchor the bridge and then the whole thing snapped off when I was eating a piece of Old Trapper jerkey. ---The bridge cost me $3000.00, so in essence I paid 3 grand to have 2 good teeth removed.

 

[ranger08]

Newest family member:

April 1955, 05191 Craftsman WITH A BADGE this time !!!

those two craftsman ln front look super cool, how much do they weigh, i might look into shipping one to new zealand

 

[Mgdoug3]

My grandfather's Morgan vise is finally complete. I ordered new jaws for it and it looked almost like new except for the pitted handle. I decided to make a new one and polish up the lead screw. It still has some character marks but I am pleased that I was able to save this vise and use it for years to come.