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Well done jmarkwolf!!!

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Thanks Jim C.

The Rustoleum Smoke Gray paint you suggested worked well for me. However, there's a fine line between gloss and runs. Entirely due to my (lack of) application technique I'm sure.

I used Rustoleum automotive primer for initial coat, then two coats of the Smoke Gray with an hour between coats per instructions on can, rather than waiting 48 hours between coats.

Will probably use the same paint when restoring my 1945 14in bandsaw.
 
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Looks good Mark. Was able to follow along on the OWWM site and wondered if you were able to get the quill issue corrected? Nice looking machine. (y)
 

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Posted this in the general vintage forum earlier, I'm being informed this is a pre-war dp.
Should be a fun rest project, and learning process. Probably will get a VFD to run it.
Also, here's a pic of my Gumby bandsaw, recently perked up with new bearings and having 220v installed in the garage.tempImageQ2rbWr.pngDelta_drillpress.JPG
 
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@Luntz outstanding 17" Delta. That has the cast iron pulley guard that is pretty scarce these days. During the war that model switched to sheet metal pulley guards. There are a few examples from 1946 with cast iron so either Delta went back to cast iron after the war only to decide formed sheet metal was more cost effective, or several owners changed them out. I assume there is no serial number to narrow it down? My guess is pre-1942.

1946 Delta catalogs are not helpful regarding this as the 17" DP is not even shown or mentioned in general line, production line or condensed catalogs. So it's anyone's guess. Either way, you scored. Protect that rear pulley guard!

VERY nice Powermatic, and I will proudly say that my city was home to Clokey Productions from 1960 to 1978 where the bulk of the Gumby and Pokey and Davey and Goliath episodes were filmed!
 
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One of my favorite aspects of Delta has always been their earlier badges. Because they spent so much time fiddling with one new logo after another in the 1930's, there is quite a variety.

In the early to mid 1930s Delta would use a decal that had "Delta" within a blue banner. This decal would continue to appear on Delta tools for awhile even after several new badges were introduced.

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In 1936 Delta introduced their first metal badge. It was a beautiful round logo and the first adaptation of a triangle to represent the Greek letter "Delta". It's also when Delta started using the full "Made in the United States of America" which I think is awesome. Since this era was "pre-serial numbers", the type badge on your Delta can be used to narrow down the year it was produced.

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For 1937 the new badge was modified and much of the black was switched to red.

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1938, modified again.

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Delta made a dramatic change in 1939 and abandoned the triangle and banner design altogether. This rather plain logo would span 1939-mid 1941

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In mid 1941 Delta changed their logo back to the triangle again, and now made the city of Milwaukee a big part of the design. This lasted until the employees in Milwaukee went on strike in 1952. By 1945 Rockwell had already purchased Delta and since "Colonel Rockwell" had vowed to close up shop rather than deal with strikers, in 1952 he did just that and moved all Delta production out of Milwaukee. This badge lasted from 1941-1952.

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In 1947 during the time of the "Delta Milwaukee" badges, serial number plates appeared that indicated Delta was a division of Rockwell Manufacturing. Prior to this plate there were plain aluminum plates that changed material often during the war. Brass, steel and oil boards were used at various times between 1942-45

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Here is the redesigned badge that lasted from 1953-1966.

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Delta / Rockwell would go on to have many more badge changes, including dropping the name Delta altogether in 1966 to go with "Rockwell" and eventually Rockwell International would follow in 1973.
Of some interest, Colonel Rockwell's son took Rockwell International in a completely different direction, selling off Delta to Pentair and by the 1980s becoming one of America's largest defense contractors (B-1 Bomber) as well as NASA's biggest contractor with the Space Shuttle. But the cold war did end and the Space Shuttle program became too expensive and Rockwell International went from #27 on Forbes largest companies, to defunct, sold off in bits and pieces.

Aside from the many logo design changes, there are also countless different badges for motors, pulley guards, pedestals, etc. If you have a unique or uncommon Delta badge or decal, lets see it!
 
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Hoorn: Thanks for the history lesson on the badges. Pretty amazing. Always learning something. LOL.
Are the machines in pics yours?
 

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I thought I’d take some photos of my Delta Unisaw before I put it in storage while my garage floor is being refinished. It shows up in the background on f some of my other photos but here it is all clean and standing alone.
 

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5Prosjeff: Bueatiful! Love it when there that clean. But mine don't stay that way long. LOL
Looks like your's dates to 1946. Pretty nice for 76 years old!
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Thanks buddy, I literally just emptied the dust collector and blew the heck out of it before putting it in storage. Looks really good now. I’ve always kept an eye out for the “golden egg” but not lucky enough yet to find one at my comfortable price point. 😁
 

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Thanks buddy, I literally just emptied the dust collector and blew the heck out of it before putting it in storage. Looks really good now. I’ve always kept an eye out for the “golden egg” but not lucky enough yet to find one at my comfortable price point. 😁
I’ve also got the long fence guides for it as well.
 
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@5Prosjeff beautiful Unisaw Jeff. Is that motor the 1 HP R/I or D/C type? Gotta love those 85 pound, 8 1/2 diameter motors.
Unless you're a total purist and it must be a Delta goose egg, there is a reproduction motor cover out there.
 
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5Prosjeff: Know what you mean on the cover. It was an option that not a lot of saw's seem to come with. I was lucky enough to pickup mine with the purchase of a second machine. Kept the cover and then resold the machine. Hoorn's was a good suggestion but $$$. What I found even harder to find was the square motor cover. Seems to be even less of those covers about. :dunno: I do envy your blade guard though. The one I have attaches at the back of the blade without the arm.
 

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@5Prosjeff beautiful Unisaw Jeff. Is that motor the 1 HP R/I or D/C type? Gotta love those 85 pound, 8 1/2 diameter motors.
Unless you're a total purist and it must be a Delta goose egg, there is a reproduction motor cover out there.
Hey Paul!
The motor is a D/C motor and yes, as we know, very heavy! I’ll have to take another look at the repro goose egg but I would like an original. I’m very patient but I do think either one would be a great addition.
Oh, I just noticed while I was typing this that the repro is a cast iron cover! I’ll definitely take a look.
 

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Is this the desirable motor you all are looking for? This Unisaw is on CL, $600obo, states it's from 1948.....
I can assist if anyone is interested.
 

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Delta offered some outstanding drill presses in the 1930's; the DP 600 17" may have been one of the best all around drill presses of the era. The 14" DP 220 was an equally outstanding drill press for different reasons, covering both light industrial and homeowner use. Introduced way back in 1933, Delta rolled out the No. 970 "Triple Duty" Production Shop Drill Press with only a single page of fanfare -on the last page. The following year it would get five full pages of hype.

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From the initial 1933 offering to 1938, the DP220 came with a round base. I happen to have one and can happily verify that it is significantly easier to move a round base press around a shop that a squared off one. The first DP 220s came with one size spindle pulley, a half round pulley guard with an open top and the name DELTA cast on the head, front guard, base, table arm and even the motor mount. It got its nickname of DP 220 because there were so many different catalog model variation numbers, that it was easier to refer to it by the part number "DP 220" cast onto the head-frame.

In 1934 Delta went all out showing off the design elements and new accessories for the DP 220:

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In 1935 Delta offered a "Slo-Speed" DP 220 that could take speeds down to 390 RPM. These slo-speed versions had "SLO-SPEED" cast across the front of the pulley guard. Taper spindles and grouped DP 220's for production line work were introduced. In 1936 the Lamp Attachment was made available:


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Here is what the attached "retirement lamp" looks like. You can also see the on-off switch rod on my 1938 220, these came in several shapes and sizes depending on your motor.

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In 1937 Delta came out with the half dome pulley guard that we are most familiar with (as seen above). The were two different shaped pulley guards, a wider style with five vertical raised lines cast meant it was a slo-speed version, a taller, conical shape with four vertical raised lines meant standard. In 1938 Delta did away with the round base and introduced the squared front / round back style that would remain for the entire run of the 220.

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In 1940 Delta offered a cast iron rear pulley guard and the now hard to find foot feed and Multi-Speed Attachment (MSA pulley). A "pilot wheel" style feed handle was also made available. Note the recommended motors on this 1940 Delta catalog page.

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The DP 220 was one of those drill presses that was very easy to configure to your specific needs. I would add that they are very easy to take apart and reassemble, with well made parts. The basic style remained virtually unchanged until 1956 when the change-over began to the radically different 15" drill press.

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Here is a follow up post to show some of those mentioned accessories or part designs. Here is the round base as I found it:

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Here is a pretty hard to find Delta MSA pulley. The pulley is a standard spindle pulley, thus the fine teeth. in this case, the teeth are not used or engaged, the bearing rides on top of the teeth when assembled:

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The extension was for the foot feed accessory:

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Here is the Delta MSA next to a (King-Seeley made) Craftsman for comparison:

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A really nice touch underneath the slo-speed pulley. Delta was great about spelling it out completely.

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A typical 220 motor, 1/2 HP repulsion induction:

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Lets see those 220's gentlemen! Especially you guys out there with foot feed attachments!
 
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@Tarnished WOW. Fantastic examples. Appreciate that you pulled them away from the vast collection to highlight. Very innovative way to mount that Delta grinder on the 220 column, and of course you have two pilot feed handles! Those are definitely not common in my neck of the woods.
So how well does the foot feed work?
 
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Hoorn: I had the spare table left over from previous restoration and had seen this done on OWWM and thought I would try it. If someone is looking for space in a tight shop this is a great way to mount the grinder. Works out well. Now if I could find the time to rebuild the grinder....
As for the foot feed I have to say that I don't tend to use the feed that much. Nice to have if you need it but for most drilling operations it is kinda in the way. No matter how adjusted they seem to have a pretty short travel. I use all my machines at one time or another and the ones with the foot feed probably get used the least.
I'll post my 17" foot feed for comparison and say that of the two, it probably get used more just because I like the table better.


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@Tarnished I can see how short travel would be an issue. There are a few "really cool" looking add-ons to vintage machines that don't necessarily function as well as they look; not intuitive. The Walker Turner ships wheel comes to mind.
Your 17" is a beautiful machine, really well done restoration. Again, I'm amazed at not only the volume of your Delta collection, but how accessory heavy many of your examples are.

Curious, is that Ace Hardware Machinery Grey on the motor band? The Delta DPs I have repainted use a very similar color combo as what you have, charcoal grey for the machine, machinery grey for the motor band with black end caps.
 

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Hoorn: The 17 was Sherwin-Williams color matched for the dark gray. The motor band is Rustolum light gray with gloss black end bells. I have posted the S-W color match at the end of this post "HERE".
Although I have used the S-W paint on many of my machines and actually prefer it, I find it easer to use the Rustolum "Charcoal Gray" and "Smoke Gray" rattle cans with almost the same dark gray & light gray colors as the Sherwin-Williams.
 

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Tarnished, great looking machines! I also like that cabinet the bench top DP is mounted on.
The cabinet marked with “107”. That view out that wall of windows looks real nice too.

Jay
 

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The SW paint matching is great, its what I used to restore my jointer and definitely leaves a tougher finish than rattlecan. Though streak control was definitely a skill I had to pick up quickly.

Tarnished it looks like youve got it down really well from the looks of it. Unless youre putting the SW paint in a sprayer?
 

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Tarnished, great looking machines! I also like that cabinet the bench top DP is mounted on.
The cabinet marked with “107”. That view out that wall of windows looks real nice too.

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Thanks Jayman. Picked up the cabinet from a guy for cheap and when I put my drill press on it, I went back and picked up 2 more. Works great just the right height for the DP and mobile.
Added the windows to the door last year and is one of the best things I have done for the barn. Lots of light and can watch the critters wander thur. :)

The SW paint matching is great, its what I used to restore my jointer and definitely leaves a tougher finish than rattlecan. Though streak control was definitely a skill I had to pick up quickly.

Tarnished it looks like youve got it down really well from the looks of it. Unless youre putting the SW paint in a sprayer?
Thanks Corndoggeh, Your right the SW paint is a better paint. For the DP I did put the paint in a sprayer and it did a fine job. Unfortunately I don't have a dedicated paint booth so it is a lot of set up and tweaking to get it ready. That's why I use the rattle cans so much. Couple shakes and your ready to paint. No gun clean up just chuck the can when you done. Really depends on weather I'm panting the whole machine, or just a part at a time.
 

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SQWave, Beautiful machine. Looks nearly new. One of my most used machines.
Thank you Tarnished! I have definitely got the bug now after my first 2 delta machines. I have a 1957 delta 17" drill press that I just started to restore and I will make a post on that shortly, I have some questions for some of you hard-core delta guys.
 

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New to me lil Rockwell belt sander. Amazing shape but the outer layer on the wheels had decayed.
Motor has oiling cups.
 

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@jabberwoki nice 1" sander/grinder. Those "do all" belt sanders were introduced by Delta in 1963. If you need replacement parts, I've seen quite a few on eBay, there are even new replacement idler wheels available. Here it is as it appeared in 63:

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I finally had a little time to start on my 1937 6x48. I have stripped most of the cast iron while keeping the original paint on inside panels or underneath. I would like to preserve as much of the original as possible. I mentioned early in this thread I had the original color computer matched at Benjamin Moore. Prior to Delta using the various grey-blue colors, in the mid 1930s Delta used a grey-green. I have had three such Deltas, all of which were "pre-serial numbers" that had this color.

Here is the sander arm and trunnion ready for primer.

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Of note, the base and sander arm both had "K S" stamped. This was original as the paint was still over/in the stamped letters. Would like to know if anyone else has letter stampings. Here it is on the milled side of the sander arm.

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Depending on the lighting, the parts can appear more green than grey such as in this picture. The paint is slightly more grey in color than green.

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I love this color as it has such an old school look to it.

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I got lucky with this first generation platen. This thing is straight every which way. More updates to come as I progress.

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New to me lil Rockwell belt sander. Amazing shape but the outer layer on the wheels had decayed.
Motor has oiling cups.
Jabber, Looks like a handy little sander. Parts should be pretty easy to get from the usual online shopping centers. One thing I have always been curious about is the "idler wheel". It seem to be able to position in 2 different positions. Was this just for the use of different size belts? Is there tension on the belts when in either position and how does that work?
 

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Hoorn: I have seen many variations of Delta's paint and I believe the early gray/green was actually painted gray when it left the factory. As the machines aged they took on the that particular gray/green color due to oxidation. I've never been able to get a good match for this greening even with SW color match. Look forward to seeing how your sander turns out. Platen looks great.
I have this machine on CI stand but have been looking for the 31-710 combo machine with 6" belt and 12" disc for a while now.
 
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@Tarnished I thought that might be the case too so I took the head from a mid 1930s DP220 and a few panels from my belt sander to a popular local custom paint shop, friends of mine. They've won multiple awards at the SEMA car shows for paint designs and have some very old school people there. I didn't want to base my restoration on oxidized paint. The consensus was the gray green paint was the original color and as it appeared in the 1930s.

As it was explained to me, oxidation is caused by a combination of exposure to heat, oxygen, UV rays and contaminates over time and the primary effect of this on paint is loss of sheen, followed by color fade which changes it's appearance. Chalkiness is also an oxidation effect. The pieces I had from two different machines were identical in color. In particular the inside belt sander panels all retained their full glossy sheen.

Since the primary physical effect of paint oxidation is loss of oil content, it cannot maintain a healthy glossy lustre while only experiencing color fade. Glossy sheen is lost due to the resins used for gloss breaking down, with color fade due to the loss of light reflectivity. This is why you'll never see a car painted blue from the factory, maintain all of its full glossy lustre, but the color faded to grey over time.

In addition to this, just browsing through the VM website photo index for Delta, numerous early to mid 30s machines that have not been repainted show this same fairly uniform gray green color. And these are machines that have been subjected to an infinite number of effects on its baked on enamel. Midwest weather, southern humidity, desert heat and coastal salt air, some are indoors, some are not, and yet they all have the same general color. Around 1938 there was a definite switch in color to the bluer grey, and those early blue grey machines did not all uniformly oxidize to a different color.

That color style was very popular in that era. Although a pure guess, I just wonder if Delta went with a different color because Walker Turner also used a gray-green for their machines, although a bit darker. Most likely though, Delta probably just switched colors as they did so several times.

I posted on page 1 of this thread the color code, although it's Benjamin Moore and not Sherwin Williams. It's also water base paint. I live in SoCal and oil based paint is no longer an option.
 
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To show how tricky lighting can be, here is a side by side of Delta's mid 1930s color.

The belt sander parts on my workbench have a decidedly more greenish tint, whereas the same parts placed outside to cure in the sun do not. The lighting in my workshop makes it appear as such, outside there was cloud cover. The way the parts appear outside is a truer representation of the color.

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The completion of my '45-'46 Delta (ABS 31-506) 6x48 sander took over a year between other shop activities, the Breuer Tornado rebuild, a light restore on the motor and base. After completion I found I use it daily when actually WW'ing and can't recall how I ever lived without it.

I picked the machine up locally in January of '18. It came pretty much complete, but with an open stand and a monstrous GE Triclad 1hp motor. The table was broken and after several unsuccessful attempts to repair it I picked up another. I've since read of an alternate way of fixing it, just need the time. The platter was worn, so I filled it and covered it with graphite material. I replaced all bearings in the machine and motor along with numerous repairs, paint, buffing and so on on to get her back to factory. Not one nut, washer or otherwise went uncleaned repaired or replaced. There's only a small bit of Chinese zinc hardware that's soon be replaced as I can't stand the stuff. Although the crown on the drums are really good, it still needs a bit of finesse tracking if it sits unused for a few days.

Later in the restoration I bought the CI base from a friend and restored that as well. Sold the open stand to recoup some cash. Another friend texted me about the Tornado which I didn't hesitate on buying. It dates late 30's - early 40's and came with a DS21 (Disc sander) adapter that I sold off to again recoup half the cash I spent on it's original purchase. The rebuild of that was nerve racking and quite challenging at times. I couldn't find any documentation to show what to expect inside and if something broke or otherwise I'd be screwed, but it all worked out in the end. Only one rough spot on the head wouldn't completely buff out. After rebuilding it I tracked down a NOS adapter to connect it to the sander's DC port. The Tornado is extremely loud, yet powerful. I have a collector bag and filter jimmy-rigged to it for the time being and no I won't embarrass myself with pics of it.

I also picked up the fence and backstop (not pictured) and added the maple/walnut fence based on OEM specs, but species varied at Delta as they used what was readily available.

I'm extremely happy with this machine, now if I can just nail down an OEM Tornado bag it would be 100% complete.

Note: paint color is most accurate in first image below, Rustoleum Dark Machine Grey.
 

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@Ynot thanks for sharing, an outstanding restoration. All the time and effort, money and dedication shows.
Great job on bringing that Tornado back also.
 

Ynot

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@Hoorn Thanks. Yours is coming along really nice, keep it up, she'll serve you well for years to come. If you need a hand with anything, shoot me a message, I'm right around the corner off the 210 and love restoration almost as much as turning, BBQ and firearms.
 
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