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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover

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rvieceli

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Congratulations on getting the house situation moved forward. Good luck and hoping everything falls into place as it should. It seemed from your posts that it was always more than just a house for you. It also gives everyone some consistency in uncertain times.

On another note, is your sister still in the area?

Ron
 
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With how meticulous you are about everything in your builds, I was surprised to see the Power Commander in the first place. In fact, I'm surprised they still exist in their current form, as it seems everything's moved to ECU flashing instead, which eliminates some of the extra wiring, the piggyback controller taking up space, and the extra failure point (I've had a PC fail on me before, which was less than fun). Is there not a flashing option available for that bike? Extra bonus would be control of throttle-by-wire maps as well, which are as important as fuel and ignition advance these days.

Edit: A quick search shows that Openflash is looking for a test mule 890 ADV. You could perhaps have this done on the cheap!
 

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Thanks. I feel like it really makes sense.

I think Dimitri, if he manages to make a good mounting system, will help open the doors to the tablet market. Carpe-Iter has a tablet that seems good but it's a lot more money and doesn't seem as flexible.

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I did my first real ride on the bike out to Mosko Moto to fit the bike for luggage. It was a bit of a disaster as the bike seems to have a fueling issue with regards to the Power Commander. I think a wire has come loose or something but the bike went into limp mode and the fueling below 5000 was just horrible - like it was running on one cylinder. I've called Rottweiler but they've not gotten back to me and I have zero time to look at it right now so I'm going to take it to our friend Rick who's a local independent KTM mechanic. So, looks amazing, runs like **** right now...

The reason I have zero time is because, after 8 months, Judiaann and I finally came to a resolution. She never really wanted the house - it's nothing but work and projects but it's taken a long time to realize that. We signed a contract, I have financing lined up and I'm working my *** off to get the house cleaned up for the appraiser. If nothing goes wrong we should close by the end of the month.

The house needs work and buying it is going to be a stretch but it's the right move and I feel re-energized about it.

This summer I plan to replace the roof, skylights and the rotted beam ends. I will need help. If you're interested in working for pizza hit me up.

Gregor
i just popped in to say that I continue to enjoy seeing your project posts. I know you're a pro photographer and you're just doing what you do but the pictures are a big part of what I enjoy about your story telling.

I'm glad that you and Judiaann came to a resolution on the house. I hope that you continue to find enjoyment in the space and satisfaction in the projects that the home requires. I selfishly hope that you document those projects here.

I'd also like to see more motorcycles in the house. To me, there's something about mid-century modern interior spaces just begs for mechanical works of art to be displayed in them.
 

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Bit of a drive for me, unfortunately. I may be a complete idiot of a wannabe mechanic, but I'm only a partial idiot of a wannabe carpenter lol. New baby and my own house being torn apart prevents me from taking a pizza eating vacation!
 
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Congratulations on getting the house situation moved forward. Good luck and hoping everything falls into place as it should. It seemed from your posts that it was always more than just a house for you. It also gives everyone some consistency in uncertain times.

On another note, is your sister still in the area?

Ron

She is right now but most likely moving back to Florida this summer.

With how meticulous you are about everything in your builds, I was surprised to see the Power Commander in the first place. In fact, I'm surprised they still exist in their current form, as it seems everything's moved to ECU flashing instead, which eliminates some of the extra wiring, the piggyback controller taking up space, and the extra failure point (I've had a PC fail on me before, which was less than fun). Is there not a flashing option available for that bike? Extra bonus would be control of throttle-by-wire maps as well, which are as important as fuel and ignition advance these days.

Edit: A quick search shows that Openflash is looking for a test mule 890 ADV. You could perhaps have this done on the cheap!

I assumed that I'd have heard of it if there was that option or that Rottweiler would have already been offering it. I appreciate the thought though and I just sent them an email. If it was on the table I'd consider driving down to do it.

i just popped in to say that I continue to enjoy seeing your project posts. I know you're a pro photographer and you're just doing what you do but the pictures are a big part of what I enjoy about your story telling.

I'm glad that you and Judiaann came to a resolution on the house. I hope that you continue to find enjoyment in the space and satisfaction in the projects that the home requires. I selfishly hope that you document those projects here.

I'd also like to see more motorcycles in the house. To me, there's something about mid-century modern interior spaces just begs for mechanical works of art to be displayed in them.

Well, you're in luck on several different fronts. The house still needs a lot of work and I'm planning on redoing a lot and doubling down on the midcentury. It's not going to happen fast but I certainly have a vision for what I want the house to be. Much like remaking a bike I'm pretty good at seeing potential and making that happen.

But I need to get through the buying process first and so I'm fixing things in anticipation of the appraisal.

I can also see a few more motorcycles making their way into the house, the garage is small after all. Ben and I talked today about building a studio to replace the cottage so that I can set up equipment and leave it when I have jobs and not have to disrupt the house. I'd also like some space to keep extra bikes but my main goal this year is to finish and sell several motorcycles and put that money into the house.

So thanks everyone. I'm crossing my fingers until closing but after that I have a long list of projects that will last for a while.

Gregor
 

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You don't need any advise at being awesome Gregor, and I don't know your financial situation, but my advise would be to get some equity in the house, and just be a boring divorced dad for a little while before you head into a big project. When it's all done and you are alone in the house, your body and mind will probably need some time off. Having things in order when that day comes will be important for the next chapter, I think. Just like cleaning up the shop when you are done with a project and plan to start the next one. You know you need to bring out the same tools again, but once you're done with the first project and the shop is clean, that cold beer and chair suddenly seem very comfortable.

That's how I function at least. Also, I believe in you. You can do it. Be you, nobody else is.
 

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was gutted a while back at the news of you not ending up with the house. So glad it’s leaning in your favor now!
 

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I think the time to move the motorcycles into the house is now. One right in the kitchen, maybe another in the master bedroom. If you have to squeeze around one to get into the bathroom, even better. These bikes are going to need maintenance, so you'll definitely need to wheel in some roller cabs and oil pans and maybe a tire changing stand and wheel balancer. Don't forget the pegboard on the dining room wall for hanging frequently used tools.

You then want to find an appraiser who doesn't "get" us and hire him/her, get that appraisal down as low as possible, thus lowering your buyout bottom line. Boom! More money in the bank for future projects.

Why must I think of everything?...
 

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Now you just have to find the time and money to finish the house.. and the motorcycles.

When you wrote about "building a studio to replace the cottage", is the cottage the garage, or is there a third building on the property that I've forgotten about?
 

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When you wrote about "building a studio to replace the cottage", is the cottage the garage, or is there a third building on the property that I've forgotten about?
The garage used to be a carport with a breezeway but has been enclosed and attached. There is a separate outbuilding that is something between a shed and a cottage. Given the decor when Gregor & Judiaann bought the place I'm guessing it was used for yoga, feng shui calibration, or bong storage.
 

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When we listed our last home for sale, there were 2 Ducati's parked in the family room. Not sure the appraisal was affected, but it sure made the home memorable for the buyers/shoppers -

Remember the house with the beige paint?
Remember the house with two motorcycles in the family room?

They stayed and we sold the house in a month (2017).

You've got this Gregor! I, and many others, will enjoy following over time as you make the place into your vision.
 

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Glad to hear you'll be staying in the house! I'm sure Ben will tell you the same thing, but MCM houses lack any sort of insulation so the roof replacement will provide you with a great chance to remedy that. Looking forward to seeing your remodel take shape again!
 

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She is right now but most likely moving back to Florida this summer.



I assumed that I'd have heard of it if there was that option or that Rottweiler would have already been offering it. I appreciate the thought though and I just sent them an email. If it was on the table I'd consider driving down to do it.



Well, you're in luck on several different fronts. The house still needs a lot of work and I'm planning on redoing a lot and doubling down on the midcentury. It's not going to happen fast but I certainly have a vision for what I want the house to be. Much like remaking a bike I'm pretty good at seeing potential and making that happen.

But I need to get through the buying process first and so I'm fixing things in anticipation of the appraisal.

I can also see a few more motorcycles making their way into the house, the garage is small after all. Ben and I talked today about building a studio to replace the cottage so that I can set up equipment and leave it when I have jobs and not have to disrupt the house. I'd also like some space to keep extra bikes but my main goal this year is to finish and sell several motorcycles and put that money into the house.

So thanks everyone. I'm crossing my fingers until closing but after that I have a long list of projects that will last for a while.

Gregor
On that fixing things prior to the appraisal...you know you'll get to pay more for the house as a result of those fixes, right? It's the right thing to do, perhaps, but if they increase the asset value you'll be paying 50% extra for each one done before the sale.
 

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On that fixing things prior to the appraisal...you know you'll get to pay more for the house as a result of those fixes, right? It's the right thing to do, perhaps, but if they increase the asset value you'll be paying 50% extra for each one done before the sale.
The appraisal is also used by financial institutions in determining the amount they are willing to loan for the purchase. They bake in a cushion so a low appraisal might reduce your purchase price but it will also reduce your purchasing power especially if the house requires substantial work. You can also end up paying higher interest rates if they determine the purchase to be risky via the appraisal. Higher interest rate further reduces the amount they are willing to lend
 

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Glad to hear you'll be staying in the house! I'm sure Ben will tell you the same thing, but MCM houses lack any sort of insulation so the roof replacement will provide you with a great chance to remedy that. Looking forward to seeing your remodel take shape again!
Oh no, the original plans show 3/4“ of rigid on the roof so he should be fine! :ROFLMAO:

It’ll be getting rigid and nail base under new roofing. We need to discuss what thickness is tolerable and detailing at the edge to preserve the original look, there’ll likely be tapered edges to the field of insulation. Also we’ll need to work up details for the nonstandard skylights and a good cricket st the wide chimney.

Yesterday I joked that he should have shingles delivered and host a party to install. Gregor will be quiet for a bit, he’s really busy addressing problems here and there. He has some hired help we’ve worked with before and I’m helping out as it’s useful.
 

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Just 3/4" huh... It's like heating a screen porch! Glad he has you as a resource! It's a slippery slope upgrading buildings that were not designed for it. I work through this in the public realm (K-12 / higher ed) quite often for these types of upgrades and there are always compromises to balance.
 
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Now you just have to find the time and money to finish the house.. and the motorcycles.

When you wrote about "building a studio to replace the cottage", is the cottage the garage, or is there a third building on the property that I've forgotten about?

As Ben mentioned the cottage is a weird shape, was mostly used for bong storage and I'd love to see it go away.

On that fixing things prior to the appraisal...you know you'll get to pay more for the house as a result of those fixes, right? It's the right thing to do, perhaps, but if they increase the asset value you'll be paying 50% extra for each one done before the sale.

There's a lot to say here and if/when I close I'll explain my reasons for fixing things. The appraisal doesn't affect my buy out which is well below market (to reflect my equity) and I have a signed contract and she's accepted my earnest money. I have three weeks to close, two weeks until Judiaann moves out and two days to finish fixing things.

Just 3/4" huh... It's like heating a screen porch! Glad he has you as a resource! It's a slippery slope upgrading buildings that were not designed for it. I work through this in the public realm (K-12 / higher ed) quite often for these types of upgrades and there are always compromises to balance.

I think Ben was optimistic. There's maybe 1/4- 3/8" of foam (original floor plans call out R3) but so far as I've seen there's actually zero insulation anywhere.

Having Ben over to talk about the issues and options has been really helpful. I'm both thrilled and terrified at the prospect of owning the house and Ben is good at making the terrifying parts less so.

I'm taking a lot of photos this week and I'll get to posting them once things calm down. Right now I'm working dawn to dusk and holding my breath...

Gregor
 
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The house situation sounds good, all the best for getting the evaluation and finances sorted. Looking forward to seeing the progress pics as you work through it.
 
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Today is independence day - in more ways than one.

On Friday I closed on the house. Welcome to...

MidCentury Moto Mecca Makeover 2.0

I have been quiet for a long time and especially recently for many reasons but now that our separation is final and our housing situation is resolved we are both free to move forward with the next part of our lives. The kids are noticeably happier and I'm starting to see some light after a long period of darkness.

Let's back up a little.

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A lot of the reason that house projects slowed down is that the relationship was broken. I am a person who thrives on encouragement and positive feedback and this disappeared many years ago. If everything you do for someone is not appreciated you get to a point where you don't want to try. That happened about 4 years ago.

More than anything I want to fix things but a relationship isn't a house and some things can't be fixed. When we started the separation in September I really thought that Judiaann would be much happier in an apartment that was new, clean and modern. She hates old things and the house became a thing of great resentment - something never finished. I think for many reasons she didn't want to accept the split or the idea of being displaced.

So I moved - or started to. The POD was her demand that I get out of her house. I started packing in early spring, started house hunting and generally started getting my head around the idea of moving. Starting over.

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We had both gotten estimates on the house in it's current state from real estate brokers - they were both about the same, $650k. She had been approved for a refinance but the paperwork had taken forever. Back in March the last step for her was the appraisal and we agreed that I'd move out at the end of April - most likely to a rental while I continued to look for a place.

During Judiaann's appraisal she pointed out all of the issues that needed attention on the house - and there were plenty. It was fair to make sure the value reflected the actual condition. I took time to point out the things I'd done over the last 10 years and she pointed out what I'd not done.

While I was in India over spring break I got an email from her that she wanted me to buy the house. Her refinance was approved on the condition that she make the repairs she pointed out before funds would be released: new roof, skylight repair, water damage to the porch doors and beam rot repair.

It was a very expensive list. Too expensive.

For me to buy the house the whole process had to start over. We agreed on a price that reflected the current state of the house with the repairs it needed. I was able to get financing with the help of my mom but I needed to get through the same appraisal process. To be clear an appraisal is not an inspection. Most likely an appraiser wouldn't see issues unless they were pointed out but I wasn't about to take any chances.

There's no way I could make all of the needed repairs and still have enough for the downpayment and closing costs so my goal was to fix what I could and cover what I couldn't to fix later.

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This beam was the worst and something I'd tried to repair when we first got the house. Unsuccessfully.

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This was much worse than I thought - I can't tell you how much anxiety this was giving me. I found this one week before my appraisal.

The doors and this porch were an addition done in the 80's and it was a bad idea but did add the loft area. Ben and I have discussed this and the plan is to eliminate them, replace them with windows and redo the whole wall correctly so that water can't get in but for the appraisal it needs a quick and dirty repair.

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The beam was the bigger issue and there was no quick or easy fix - it had to be done right this time. But the doors were something I could hand off and so I called Mwas. If you've been here a long time you may remember him as one of the guys who jack hammered the living room floor out right after we first bought the place 10 years ago. He's a good guy and I let him run with this.

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For the beam the way to do this correctly is to support the roof and cut out everything where there is damage or rot.

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I used a chain saw to keep probing into the beam to find the end of the rot and then screwed in a guide for the Festool jigsaw to try to make a straight cut. I finished the cut with the hand saw.

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I used the Fien to cut the nails that held the remainder.

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The plan here is to replace the cut out part of the beam with a new one but use steel to replace the strength.

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The beam I picked up was the same width but about 1/2" taller so I had to rip it with the track saw on both sides and then clean up where the cuts met with a hand plane.

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I used the Bridgeport to drill holes every 8 inches that I'd use for 1/2" bolts.

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I don't know what I'd do without Ben. Aside from the obvious help and guidance over the years he's always here when I need a hand. I was able to get the beam cut out, the roof prepped and new beam ready but I wasn't able to get it into place on my own. Ben showed up to help.

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The plan was to use a cradle of 2x4's to support the beam. I glued the ends after treating the replacement with a wood hardener. The glue is not going to be structural but it will seal the joint. I screwed a block to both sides and then we used clamps to pull the replacement beam into the old one.

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We needed to keep things aligned as we clamped and then screwed the two beams together.

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We used a lot of clamps to keep things in place while the glue dried. The next day, after everything had dried, but before any supports were removed, I drilled the beam with the steel in place and bolted the two parts together. I don't have any photos of that process as I was really working hard to address the other issues.

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I put the heads of the bolts on the side facing the windows so from inside you wouldn't notice them as much. The steel is on the other side. I suppose you could use two plates to sandwich the beam but from what I've seen one is all that is typically used.

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So that is the correct way to fix the damage. I still need to do end caps to prevent water getting into the end grain but I'm going to do that when I do the roof repair.

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This is the wrong way. But with only a bit more than a week after getting my loan approved I needed to address what I could and kick the can where I had to. Finished with body putty and paint.

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Skylights were painted and trimmed.

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And Mwas finished up the quick and dirty repairs on the doors. This is something I want to fix before winter along with the roof so it was unfortunate to spend so much for a repair that was only meant to pass the appraisal.

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For 6 weeks I got up at 4am to work on photography jobs and then from 6-8am and again from 4-6pm Nadia and I would work on her 6th grade house project for school. They had to design, draw, furnish and build their own dream house. It had to be 1500-2000sqft and Nadia started with a rectangle. I showed her that by cutting her rectangle into squares that represented 5'x5' or 25sqft she could make it any shape she wanted.

That was all she needed to unleash her creativity because it freed her of the math or rather gave her a visual way to look at the math. So often the problems we face are a matter of perspective - something that seems insurmountable can be broken down and looked at another way.

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My contribution to this was making the longer X-acto cuts on her lines. Letting her make mistakes and then figure them out. She put in serious time - about 3-4 hours a day for over two weeks. I could not have been more proud of her or her determination. At one point, with time running out, Judiaann suggested that she just draw pictures of furniture rather than make it herself which was an acceptable solution for the assignment but Nadia rolled her eyes and said, "What? I can't stop now!" and then proceeded to build all the furniture from scraps of foam board, color them with markers and collect plants from outside for the "garden" in the middle of the house.

Not only did she get straight A's for her last semester but when her teacher passed the rows of house projects he stopped, backed up to Nadia's house and said, "Holy ****! Who's is this?" and getting a teacher to involuntarily curse during school? Well, that means you nailed it.

So it's been 8 long weeks. Judiaann moved to her new apartment on the 20th but has not finished packing. I've been packing her things for the past week (to help move the process along) and slowly unpacking mine.

It will probably take a few weeks to settle in to my "new" house.

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So the next chapter has started for me. I am excited about the prospect of being unconstrained with the house. Over the years I made a lot of compromises that, on my own, I would not have. I am filled with ideas, beyond excited to tackle them and filled with enthusiasm to start again on the house.

I am also a bit terrified. Even getting the house well below market (to reflect my equity) meant I paid way more than we originally paid for it. Before I paid half of an $1800 mortgage - now I'm on the hook for a $3100 mortgage plus all the expenses on my own. I'm more than tripling my monthly costs. It's been suggested to me for a while, even in this thread when we talked about video, that I start a Patreon page to let people contribute. I've resisted that for years but I'm ready to accept some help.

Nothing will change here - or anywhere. I hate the idea of paywalls and who I am is someone who shares freely. Anyone who supports me on Patreon will be helping me continue to tell the stories that I've been doing all along.

When we bought this house I poured every bit of time and money into it to make it something special. There were many times when, due to the unreliability of my freelance work, I was pretty much broke. Having a partner smoothed the finances and allowed me to keep working on the house. I have known that I need to spread out the risk of being dependent one or two large clients and I've also known that I want pursue the dream I have about building bikes, doing tours and teaching. I've done that over this past year and will continue to do that to try to add some consistency to my bottom line. Patreon is just another way to try to add some consistency.

I think over time I'll find a way to be comfortable with it. I have gotten support from this community from the very beginning and honestly, when things were bad and the work that I did was not appreciated but denigrated (at home, not by you) people here lifted my spirits and helped me feel that I had worth. So thank you for following and supporting me along the way.

But, for those of you who like the house content here... well, hold on to your hats. This is now my house. Completely.

I will not be compromising. I will be diving down every rabbit hole and trying to figure out how to make this one of the most amazing houses in Portland. I have so many ideas, so many things I want to do and try. I'm very excited to get started.

One of the first things I want to do is actually have people over. J didn't like that the house wasn't perfect or finished and so never wanted to have people over. Outside of her family she never let people inside the house - and only now, as I type this, do I realize that over the last 10 years she never had a single friend over for dinner...

That isn't me. I have a really amazing group of eclectic and interesting friends. We've had a couple of parties but I'd like to do that more often. I like bringing people together so I'm going to do that.

So thanks. For following, contributing, being patient, being supportive and being here.

Gregor
 

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i’ve never had a patreon until today, but the amount of enjoyment and education i’ve gotten out of this (and your other) threads made it just about the easiest decision ever for me to make one. it’s the very least i, and all of us who’ve followed the journey of this house, could do.

incredibly stoked to see the next chapter!
 

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Gregor,

First of all, props to Nadia! That house is AWESOME. Girl's got skills and ideas. Apparently she's picked up some ideas via osmosis from your friendship with Ben :D.

Second, I'm excited for you. I'm sure you would have preferred a different outcome to the last several months/year, but sometimes all we can do is keep moving forward. I'm super excited to see what you do with the house and that you will keep bringing us along. I say this in all seriousness, the community you've got/built around this thread is incredible. That's a testament to you and your skills, abilities, and engaging way of documenting, writing, and sharing. I am 100% sure that a lot of us that hang around here would be more than happy to help with the project in one way or another - patreon, ideas, encouragement, labor, or something else. Heck, if you made a coffee table book of house photos showing the start, progress, and finish someday I'd buy it! You're a creative dude, you got this.
 

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I'm going through something similar with my son. Purchased a house a few years ago that took hours of our blood sweat and tears to make it livable. Now he's going through a divorce and we have to buy her out of her half of the assets. And he has to swing the mortgage on a fireman's salary. With the crazy housing market here we feel its a worthwhile investment.

Hang in there! One project at a time as funds become available.
 

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It is so sad that all your work on the house was not appreciated by the one who should have appreciated it most. I'm so sorry, that must have been very difficult.
Tell me more about your plane. In my phone I can't zoom in far enough to read the brand on the lever cap. Bedrock style body obviously. Pretty thick blade; is it a Hock?
Didn't expect to see hand planes in this thread considering you approach woodworking like a machinist. My problem is I approach machining like a woodworker!
 

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Great news, and no doubt many challenges ahead--but my impression is that you won't back down from that. And being willing to accept some help from all of us who have learned a lot from reading this thread and from following along just makes sense. You put a lot of work into it and create value for others' benefit. I've never been on Patreon before today--but now I am, and happy to help a little.

OK, all the rest of you...sign up, and let's give Gregor a hand!

Congrats!
 
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….Tell me more about your plane.
Gregor always looks doubtful when I suggest some woodworking operation involving planes, chisels, or scrapers. I’m all about them but they’re not his thing at all.

During my undergrad studies I worked at the woodshop at Texas A&M (back when architecture schools had those.) To pass time I’d pull scraps out of the bin and hand cut dovetails on the ends, saw them off, and try again a different way. I’ve suggested that to Gregor but it doesn’t seem like his kind of fun.
 

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Gregor, glad to hear you're in a better place, looking forward to following along on your continued adventures!
 

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Gregor always looks doubtful when I suggest some woodworking operation involving planes, chisels, or scrapers. I’m all about them but they’re not his thing at all.

Just show him some of the videos of the Japanese planing competitions to see who can make the thinnest shaving. That seems like something up his alley :D
 

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OK, the IG post about "unpacking at my new place" makes sense now.

And while all the stuff you do is amazing and gets the credit, your daughter is going to surpass you in short order. And good on her for doing it. That is incredible commitment and followthrough. I hope my son is getting 1/10th of that kind of focus in his activities.
 

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Gregor always looks doubtful when I suggest some woodworking operation involving planes, chisels, or scrapers. I’m all about them but they’re not his thing at all.

During my undergrad studies I worked at the woodshop at Texas A&M (back when architecture schools had those.) To pass time I’d pull scraps out of the bin and hand cut dovetails on the ends, saw them off, and try again a different way. I’ve suggested that to Gregor but it doesn’t seem like his kind of fun.
Gig ‘Em!
 

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Rigid insulation over the roof deck?
Yeah, probably nailbase over the existing 2x decking with the edges tapered where the roof cantilevers past the conditioned space. That should mitigate the visual weight of the roof. Also the low end of the roof has no slope whatsoever, so we need to make some taper to the insulation there.
 

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Is there no thickness to the roof structure that you can fill with closed cell foam below the roof deck? I remember the ceiling beams that are now painted black, but not sure if there's a cavity above them that can be filled.
 

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Is there no thickness to the roof structure that you can fill with closed cell foam below the roof deck? I remember the ceiling beams that are now painted black, but not sure if there's a cavity above them that can be filled.
No, there is no cavity. the beams are set, then 2x tongue & groove decking, then (theoretically) 3/4” of rigid insulation and roofing atop that.

In any event you don’t want to insulate cavities with batt insulation without a ventilated airspace against the deck. Water vapor will get in there and if the “indoor” side of the insulation is at a comfortable temperature and the outdoors is cold there will be some point in the batt insulation where the temperature equals the dew point of the air. Then you have condensation forming in the middle of your assembly and the fungal fun begins. This is also why you generally want an “air barrier” on the “warm side” of your wall assembly (I.e. the same thing can happen in humid, air conditioning circumstances.)

To avoid this (without the complication and extra thickness of making an effective ventilated cavity) you want a layer of impermeable foam insulation on the outside of the deck (or sprayed directly on the bottom of the deck) with batt insulation in the cavities below. Usually the foam should be at least 40% of the total R-value of the system.

Sorry if this is boring, but things like this will help your future self regret your decision-making (or future homeowners cursing you.) One really nice online source for basic building science is made and hosted by a local construction firm I’ve done some work with. They know their stuff and do good work. Behold the Hammer & Hand Best Practices Manual!
 
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