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so for years i ran hitachi 9.5amp unit and had great luck . but i wanted a few extra and got 1 just before name change to metabo and 1 after .

well both of them are now dead . working just find and just grind to a hult .

so i am on the hunt for a good quality unit not H.F. level . i am looking to have it last ad hold up . let me know what you have and like thanks .
 
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2nd on the German Metabo. I'm an ironworker and they are the only brand we cannot kill. Pricey but lifetime tool.
 

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Never confuse Metabo HPT with Metabo. The real deal Metabo is the best grinder ever made. Makita makes decent grinders as well as Bosch and Milwaukee but Metabo (Germany) is the king.
 
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Search, this question has been asked countless times(right up there with ratchet lube). All with the same answers.
 

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I like the makita variable speed. I have one that is pretty old (probably 12-13 years old) and abused. My newer one (probably 4-5 years old) started acting up the other day. They have cut concrete(wet and dry) stone, rock, steal, aluminum, etc. Before I used the makitas, I would go through the bigger 4.5” dewalt grinders in about 12-18 months
 

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I’ve got a couple Makita 4.5-5” units, and a couple of the German Metabo ones in the same size. They are both good brands and get frequent use in a farm fabrication and repair shop environment. Key is to not purchase the cheapest units any brand sells, but to look for the higher end units that are more expensive and they will be more comfortable to use and last longer when used hard.
 

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If you're burning through quality electric grinders get an air grinder.

I have a SG Ryobi at the house that has been great but ran all air at the plant.
 

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I’ll vote Bosch but my second pic would be if you could go back in time and get a Black and Decker. The B&D is 40 years old and still going strong.
 

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I have several. Milwaukee, no names , Makita.dewalt
the makita was refurb . I put it thru hell cutting some heavy steel and about 20 5" blades on a 4-1/2 grinder. it was so hot I couldn't hold onto it with bare hands . I jammed it a few times in tight corners and chipped the one drive gear. a replacement set of drive & pinion gears was like $10 on ereplacement parts . put them in , new grease & it works flawless . very smooth running.
 

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I have an old Hitachi, Makita, Bosch, 4.5" German Metabo, 6" German Metabo.

My favorites are the Metabos followed by the Makita. All three can take a beating and still run strong.
 

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Metabo paddle switch, then Bosch. Not of fan of my Milwaukee coorded cheapy from HD, but its still gets used.

I just picked up an m18 2880-20 so well see if I like it better. I hope its good because cordless will be awesome for quick stuff.
 

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I have a HF, long tail Skill from Walmart (late night purchase and Walmart was open 24 hours back then), Milwaukee, German Metabo, Makita, and Bosch.

Skip the HF, and the long tail Skill.

I don’t see much between the others that would leave me to recommend one over the other. I was especially disappointed that the German Metabo, a grinder that’s always recommended here, just doesn’t feel special like I was led to believe it would.

Actually, my favorite grinder now is the cordless Dewalt Flexvolt, but you are specifically looking for corded.
 

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I had a couple Bosch "slim" units that I really liked.
They were stolen a while back and don't make them anymore from what I've found.
Most of the time I use an M18 grinder anymore too.
 

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100% this ^^^^

Grab my Hitachi Brushless 5 to 1 over my German Metabo, its so damn comfortable and easy to use.

image taken from Amazon review, but you can see the grip difference
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100% this ^^^^

Grab my Hitachi Brushless 5 to 1 over my German Metabo, its so damn comfortable and easy to use.

image taken from Amazon review, but you can see the grip difference
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The Bosch slim was similar as well.

Grabbing an older "regular" grinder felt like going from a high powered sports car to an old farm truck.

Some newer grinders have a soft start feature which is nice. It ramps up from off to wide open over a second or two and eliminates the power surge.
Handy when working on generator power or have several hundred feet of extension cord plugged to a twitchy breaker.
 

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Add another vote for German made Metabo. Keep an eye on Zoro as the prices fluctuate, combine with a 20% coupon code and it’s hard to beat.
 

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At the shop I only buy Milwaukee because the hold up very well.
 

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I have (4) 4.5" Bosch Grinders and (3) Milwaukees. The Bosch grinders are much better ergonomically, but performance is about the same.
With the slim grip design I can (and do) run the Bosch grinders one-handed.
 
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I always look for Amp draw on the motor . Highest amp is my friend when buying a power tool
I would like to expand on your point above… Higher amps generally means bigger motor and more weight. More weight can get fatiguing for extended operation. On the flip side of that, the larger motors in the higher amp draw tools can take much more heat when you push them hard, so they will generally last longer. Ultimately it is a trade off and largely depends on the application which will be the better choice.
 

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It doesn’t really matter which unit you end up getting as long as you buy a 10 amp grinder. The little (cheap) 7ampish unit are disappointing from the get go.
 

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It doesn’t really matter which unit you end up getting as long as you buy a 10 amp grinder. The little (cheap) 7ampish unit are disappointing from the get go.
Is that true when you throw brushless motors into the database?

And I agree with Seanb that lighter tools reduce fatigue, so there are trade offs.
 

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I would vote Metabo if cost isn't an issue. Buy once, cry once. I've had several grinders, started out with a cheapo years ago. After a few years it started falling apart. Found a used Metabo at a flea market cheaper than what I paid for a new cheap grinder, and I'm still using it. Now I have three Metabos that I've picked up used, usually for less than 20 bucks a piece. Nice thing about that is one has a cutoff blade, one has a flap wheel, and one has a wire wheel. No longer have to screw around changing out for different tasks! Also bought a little Dewalt real cheap at the local Cashland a while back. It's the 4.5 inch size, which makes it nice when the wheel in the 6 inch gets too small to use, it's perfect size for intricate cuts with the grinder. It doesn't get pushed near as hard as the Metabos and it's held up well for a couple years as well.
Joel
 

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Everyone talking about German made Metabo, but I think if you're on a budget, the chinese made models are actually also quite well engineered, metabo does not want to smear their name like that...

MetaboHPT is a different brand that is known as Hikoki or Hitachi to the rest of the world but for some reason they decided to confuse everyone on the US market. They also make high quality power tools, main Japanese competition to Makita.

Makita is also a good option. Also blue Bosch and german made Flex (I'd avoid foreign made Flex though! and definitely avoid the garbage green Bosch stuff).

I think milwaukee and dewalt are kind of too chunky for a small corded angle grinder, but obviously depends on the model - both will becreliable anyway.


For an angle grinder under ~100$, they'll all be about the same in terms of reliability if it's from the brands I mentioned above. For more expensive stuff it's just best to stick with Metabo anyway, they really do a good angle grinder.
 

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Is that true when you throw brushless motors into the database?

And I agree with Seanb that lighter tools reduce fatigue, so there are trade offs.
Well, it sort of can’t be. By brushless it is referring to battery grinders, which generally are not rated in amps. The battery grinders are rated in volts and the amp/hours of the battery. I run several styles of the battery grinder (I am a welding contractor by trade, so use a lot of grinders) and unless you are using a grinder that has 2 batteries (which makes them a bit unwieldy) then they are a little on the weak side. The only reason I use battery grinders is for when I need to do a little grinding, but want to avoid running a cord (just need to grind a couple welds, but it is 300’ from power).

The corded grinder are generally brushed grinders and are usually either a 10amp or 7amp (plus or minus a little). The 10 amp grinders are meant for work, and the 7amp grinders are meant to look attractive of the sale circulars.
 

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Amperage is not the only factor for “heavy duty”.
Well designed and well built motors can sometimes produce more or less actual power than the Amperage or Watt rating on a grinder’s label specs will indicate.
There have actually been tests in magazines were maximum motor torque was tested, and lower amperage rated motors sometime came out ahead.

As for grinder failure, the most likely things to fail, are the electronic units such as variable speed modules, which can be costly to replace, especially with some European tool brands.
Even some non-variable speed grinders, particularly those made to European Industrial specifications, will have safety electronics built in that can be as likely to fail.
Brushless motors don’t have the brush issues, but they do have the potential electronics issues the variable speed grinders might have.
While most “brushless” grinders are cordless, Hitachi/Hikoki/Metabo HPT does make some gronders with brushless motors, that have comparatively narrow grips compared to most grinders, which is the reason some users like the models.

If you want to avoid the potential electronics issue, and save money, simpler grinders like some of the Cheaper models, like Black & Decker, will likely not have the fancy electronics.
Older US made geinders almost never had the specialty electronics, including old Bosch, Milwaukee, Dewalt, etc. models.
Porter Cable used to own Flex Tools of Germany, and offered angle grinders that were made in Germany, but which lacked the safety electronic modules that the same Flex models had. The PC were also 40% cheaper in cost or so.

As has been mentioned, the detachable cords some tool manufacturers use can also cause reliability issues.
Most designs I’ve seen however can probably be rewired with a strain relief and permanently attached cord.
 

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Everyone talking about German made Metabo, but I think if you're on a budget, the chinese made models are actually also quite well engineered, metabo does not want to smear their name like that...

MetaboHPT is a different brand that is known as Hikoki or Hitachi to the rest of the world but for some reason they decided to confuse everyone on the US market. They also make high quality power tools, main Japanese competition to Makita.

Makita is also a good option. Also blue Bosch and german made Flex (I'd avoid foreign made Flex though! and definitely avoid the garbage green Bosch stuff).

I think milwaukee and dewalt are kind of too chunky for a small corded angle grinder, but obviously depends on the model - both will becreliable anyway.


For an angle grinder under ~100$, they'll all be about the same in terms of reliability if it's from the brands I mentioned above. For more expensive stuff it's just best to stick with Metabo anyway, they really do a good angle grinder.
Your a little off base with the "garbage green" Bosch. In the rest of the world all Bosch power tools are green and they are far from garbage. Go to Europe and visit a tool store Bosch is Green over there.
 

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Your a little off base with the "garbage green" Bosch. In the rest of the world all Bosch power tools are green and they are far from garbage. Go to Europe and visit a tool store Bosch is Green over there.
I live in Europe. The green Bosch is very low end generic chinese **** with Bosch branding. Professional Bosch power tools here are dark blue.


For the cordless stuff, even the batteries are not the same. Green bosch tools are just a lazy cash grab for them.
 

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I would like to expand on your point above… Higher amps generally means bigger motor and more weight. More weight can get fatiguing for extended operation. On the flip side of that, the larger motors in the higher amp draw tools can take much more heat when you push them hard, so they will generally last longer. Ultimately it is a trade off and largely depends on the application which will be the better choice.
You also gotta factor in what your panel is setup for. If you have 15 amp breakers don't expect to run a huge grinder.
 

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Your a little off base with the "garbage green" Bosch. In the rest of the world all Bosch power tools are green and they are far from garbage. Go to Europe and visit a tool store Bosch is Green over there.
In Europe, there is Green Bosch, and Blue Bosch.
Green Bosch tools are intended for homeowners and basic do-it-yourself.
Blue Bosch are the tools meant for professional/industrial use.
Some of the green and blue Bosch tool models look almost identical, and may use the same plastic body moldings, but components like bearings etc may be lower quality.
Other models are completely different.
In the USA, all Bosch tools used to be Blue, so Bosch sold dome of the Green models in the blue color for the US market. Whether the quality was the same as the Euro green Bosch tools, or whether Bosch used better components seems not to be known.
Other Bosch green tools from Europe where sold in the US under the Skil brand, which Bosch used to own, and which Bosch had mostly started using for lower quality homeowner tools, and later cheaper import tools.
I’m a bit uncertain what the current status of Bosch is, because Bosch seemed to have limited their line in the US around the time Amazon started selling tools, which was also around the time Bosch closed down US production of tools, and moved a lot of production to Asia and Mexico.
Bosch still seems to make professional level tools in Germany and Switzerland, but they seem to be way less common nowadays at least as local sale goes.
I think Bosch still produces a wide range of tools for the European market that aren’t sold in the USA.
 

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Bosch still seems to make professional level tools in Germany and Switzerland
I do own an old green bosch planer made by Scintilla in Switzerland. It held up fine for a hobby tool, but just for an example - it all runs on plain bearings and it gets really hot... to the point that the area around the bearing is all melted. Somehow it still works, but obviously it's a hobby tool and my dewalt is on a totally different level. I use the scintilla/bosch for the "dirty" work where I wouldn't want to damage the blades on the dewalt. But for what the green planer cost, I definitely got my moneys worth - so I guess I'd still buy green bosch swiss made products if they still exist (but I doubt they do) for lighter uses.

The blue bosch tools from scintilla are probably very good though!
 
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