Vintage Blue Point, Blue Points Chicago and Blue-Point tools thread

[Oldtuleguy]

Some little bluepoint xi wrenches with E stamp

 

[snapmom]

A odd wrench. Blue Point T-101472 looks like a 48 code. Maybe military but not sure. It has a odd model number. but the really odd thing is the logo, the style is odd, look at the offset E. The era 48-54 has some odd logos in SO and BP.

 

[humber2]

The l in Blue is a 1

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That's a custom looking stamp!

 

[snapmom]

Blue Point STxxx complete tappet set from the late 30s

 

[genog]

Found an interesting Blue Point at a sale
I thought this was a Spoke Wrench....
Well, apparently not, it's a Brake Adjusting Wrench

 

[Provincial]

For adjustable brake anchor pins.

 

[Ricky Joe]

For Bendix mechanical brakes, Ford and Willys, especially. The big end looks opened up. Was that intentional or from use?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I think should be 3/16 on one end, 1/4 on the other

 

[humber2]

We need the Bendix wrench number.

If it is B1351 it has three sizes, 3/16 at one end, 1/4 and 5/16 at the other.

 

[d42jeep]

As Humber says, apparently the B1351 has three sizes. The B1351A is the one with just two sizes. Seller stated that this one was from the ‘30s. Sometimes sold listings on eBay can be quite informative.
Here is a B1351A with just the two sizes. According to the owner, a Jeep owning tool collector in the UK, it is dated 1942.
-Don

 

[humber2]

Here’s the reference in the 1938 SO Catalog.

 

[snapmom]

The B1450-52 are brutes.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's a bunch of BP supremes and some combos

 

[J.F.Krauz]

it’s a start…this is my first run in with blue point. I gotta say I’m not disappointed.

 

[snapmom]

The openings of the 1351-52 changed over time.

 

[Shelbylex]

My recent addition to the wrench drawer: Blue Point S-9513A

... Sorry, not sure why it came out so big...

 

[Ricky Joe]

Now go buy a Chevrolet with a 216 or 235!

 

[snapmom]

A complete set of short double box Blue Point Metric wrenches. 39-47. check out all the different logs and size stampings, lots of different ones. These are quite rare. Still looking for some BP metric combinations, so holler at me if you have any.

 

[MR.X]

A odd wrench. Blue Point T-101472 looks like a 48 code. Maybe military but not sure. It has a odd model number. but the really odd thing is the logo, the style is odd, look at the offset E. The era 48-54 has some odd logos in SO and BP.

Go to an eBay auction for Indian Motorcycle special tools catalog...there's a pic of a cylinder head wrench like yours with the same #. I have a few of these but none marked BluePoint.

 

[humber2]

A complete set of short double box Blue Point Metric wrenches. 39-47. check out all the different logs and size stampings, lots of different ones. These are quite rare. Still looking for some BP metric combinations, so holler at me if you have any.

Interesting the part # has M as a suffix, don’t nowadays M preceed the size numbers?

 

[snapmom]

Interesting the part # has M as a suffix, don’t nowadays M preceed the size numbers?

All the early metric SO and BP tools have the model number with the M at the end, I think it changed sometimes in the late 60s or early 70s

 

[Farmer J.]

Interesting the part # has M as a suffix, don’t nowadays M preceed the size numbers?

I'm just guessing:
An 'M' prefix was used on the Midget 9/32" drive tools so maybe whilst those were still made it had to be a suffix for metric?
It would need a bit of work checking dates and catalogues to see if the theory is right.

 

[snapmom]

I'm just guessing:
An 'M' prefix was used on the Midget 9/32" drive tools so maybe whilst those were still made it had to be a suffix for metric?
It would need a bit of work checking dates and catalogues to see if the theory is right.

The 9/32 dr metric sockets are like: M10M

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here is an example from my set, dated 1987.

 

[MR.X]

A odd wrench. Blue Point T-101472 looks like a 48 code. Maybe military but not sure. It has a odd model number. but the really odd thing is the logo, the style is odd, look at the offset E. The era 48-54 has some odd logos in SO and BP.

7th line down in 2nd pic.

 

[Steven 33]

The main types of Tappets.
Top: name and model on head. no T in the model number. cats. 25-26
Second: name and model on head has T in model number 25-26
Third: name on body stamped. model number on head 27-29
Fourth: name raised, has inset. model number on head 30-31
fifth: name raised, changed to Blue Point. has arrows. model number on head. 31-33
sixth: name raised no arrows model number on head. no made in USA. 34-36

Sometimes you will see variations in types.. like name on head and body.
But these are the main types of tappets. The cat dates are about right, but could be wrong. I did this by looking at the different model numbers in each cat. they do change, then comparing the odd models that were only made for a year or so.

Possible little variation in this one. Same as Second front bottom in your pic but only has one arrow Possibly just a factory defect

 

[MR.X]

7th line down in 2nd pic.

Additionally your Blue Point T-101472 appears to be the same wrench as the oft brought up Snap-On N-630 QMC . As well as the 41-W-872-40.

 

[MR.X]

So here's question for the 10 or 11 people that actually look at this thread....Do any of you have SINGLE offset Blue Point box wrenches with a forge mark# on the end? and does that number match the tool# ie. the size in /32nds. Pictured are a 28...28/32 =7/8 and a 24...24/32=3/4. I'm just checking if this is just a coincidence on these 2 or not. Also I do have other examples with no forge markings (or whatever they're called) on the end but I don't have any examples that have #'s that don't match the size.

 

[snapmom]

All my *** wrenches are early, and none have that mark. I have seen it before, always thought it was a foundry mark. I looked at some of my specials, and did not see a mark on them. odd.

 

[MR.X]

All my *** wrenches are early, and none have that mark. I have seen it before, always thought it was a foundry mark. I looked at some of my specials, and did not see a mark on them. odd.

Thanks. Maybe just a coincidence, hopefully someone else will weigh in.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I have like 10 of them I can check

 

[MR.X]

Cool. I just found an auction on eBay selling 4 and there's a pic where you can see a 30 on the X30, a 24 on the X24, a 22 on the X22 and a hard to read # on the X26. Look to be 35 date codes.

 

[Provincial]

The BP Chicago ignition wrench I just picked up is stamped "No. 1564" and it is a 15/64 inch opening. Perhaps they had a tendency toward linking numbers with sizes?

 

[MR.X]

The BP Chicago ignition wrench I just picked up is stamped "No. 1564" and it is a 15/64 inch opening. Perhaps they had a tendency toward linking numbers with sizes?

Hi Jock. Of course they did with their tool #'s. I was referring to the forge or "foundry" (as snapmom called them) #'s at the end of the wrench on the single offset boxes where they could get away with a 2 digit number as both ends were the same size. There also appears to be a "D" forwards or backwards after the number. I'm not familiar enough with toolmaking to know if there was a some reason they decided to mark their blanks like that or what? What I'm actually trying to do is ID a single offset wrench I have that is marked 'PAR-V" which has the same size in 32nds convention in the same place on the underside of the offset end by the box as a Blue Point clone......and before anyone starts in on the early Par-V trademark dates info and connection with Snap-On.....I'm aware of that. The wrench in question has an NAF contract # that puts in the 30's but the Par-V marking always looked a little thin...not that I have anything to compare it to. That's why I'm going with the actual wrench configuration angle. It appears to be a mid 30's single offset Blue-Point.

 

[Provincial]

PAR-X was a Snap-On sub-brand. Perhaps they tried a different letter for some tools?

 

[MR.X]

PAR-X was a Snap-On sub-brand. Perhaps they tried a different letter for some tools?

Par-V was trademarked by Snap-On in 1931 as I understand it...Though most people aren't familiar with anything but the much later Par-V screwdrivers.....and of course the not uncommon Par-X tools.

 

[snapmom]

It seems to went this way.
Many BP tools were relabeled Snap on in the late 40s to early 60s
Par-x was started to compete with other mid quality tools
Then Par-x was relabeled as Blue Point.

 

[snapmom]

A BF-615 double curve body hammer? I don't think so. Looks like it started life as a 604. The BF615 shows up in the 50 cat. This style hammer fades out in the late 40s. The 604 is last seen in the 41 cat. This was a mess when I got it had to completely strip it down and replace the finish. Had to find a handle that fits this and refinish it.

 

[MR.X]

It seems to went this way.
Many BP tools were relabeled Snap on in the late 40s to early 60s
Par-x was started to compete with other mid quality tools
Then Par-x was relabeled as Blue Point.

Yeah, I’m not really talking about Par-X.
....notice the "First used Feb. 2, 1931..."