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How crazy is moving a custom built carport?

SouthernIllinois

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Absolutely.

And man, I'd be "hostile" too if a neighbor built a carport on my property.
At my previous house in Maryland, the neighbor's Amish-type shed was about 4-5 feet across the property line on me.

The day we moved in he and his wife came over, introduced themselves and explained the mistake about where their shed was across the line and asked if that was going to be a problem.

It wasn't. We became good friends, had the keys to each others homes and got each others mail when on vacation. We still stay in touch after we moved away.

I hope the new owners were as understanding as well. Their shed's location has absolutely no impact on the use of the home, lawn care or the use of the yard.

It didn't affect me and I couldn't have cared less.

I am now on 15 acres. The nearest neighbor routinely cuts across the back of my property on horses and side-by-sides to access their pond without having to go through their CRP field. Again, I couldn't care less.

To the OP - let me guess, the neighbors are transplants from somewhere else. I recently read that Tennessee had something like an increase of 43% of people moving to Tennessee in the past couple years compared to previous years..
 
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I wouldn't do anything without getting the lot line surveyed. You may move it and find it still to be on the neighbor's property. And GIS shots are often inaccurate. One shows my property line going through my garage, which is not nearly the case. They can be off by 10' or more.

As far as a fence, or any other perception - my daughter's fence (there when she bought the house) is no less than 20' into her neighbor's property. This is a small lot, maybe 7k square feet. The neighbor not only believes the fence is on my daughter's property, but thinks the trees on the other side of the fence belong to my daughter. I know the property line because I have the stampted plot plan.

I'd leave it alone, until the neighbor actually complains. Then they need to get the property line surveyed. Then it becomes a civil matter. And as someone said, it wouldn't take long to disassemble the carport and relocate it.
 

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I would set 3 new posts in the direction that you need to move to keep the dimensions of the building the same. Basically you would be making the current right side posts the left side and setting new right side posts. put new headers in, pour concrete and brace across the trusses and basically slide the roof over onto the new structure.
There would be some additional bracing and structure so it would be impossible for the roof to fall that could be removed after the roof structure was in the new location.
You will have a stable, rigid structure which you will never get cutting the posts off and mounting with hangers.
 

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Get a survey done on your property first so you know exactly where the property lines are. Before we bought the house we are living in now, we knew we wanted to put up a garage/shop so we talked to the building dept for the county the house is in to find out property line setbacks so the garage would not be too close to the line.
 

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I agree with the disassembly thoughts. There's more labor and costs with diminished end results trying to move it.
With careful dismantling (the posts) all of the materials should be ready to go.
With today's "structural screws", chances are that 90% of it is screwed together making it very easy.
 

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To the OP - let me guess, the neighbors are transplants from somewhere else. I recently read that Tennessee had something like an increase of 43% of people moving to Tennessee in the past couple years compared to previous years..
This right here. Where we live, most people have 2-10 acre lots. Most of us hunt and shoot on our property (legally). Couple of years ago, they built a small sub division not too far from us. Lots of transplants 'moving to the country' complained about the gunfire. Turns out they didn't bother to research the laws where they moved to and the fact the police rifle range is close by as well. Some of the stories about explaining right of ways to people who haven't owned any sort of lot and moved from other parts of the country are crazy.
 

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If the neighbor ever peeks at a GIS map, it'll likely be obvious.


I work in the surveying business. I can't tell you how many calls we have received like "The GIS shows my neighbor's shed/fence/driveway, etc. is on my property". They pay us to survey it, and the GIS is wrong.

Just saying, GIS is not the gospel. Might be right, might be wrong. At the end of the day it's a reference, and worth exactly what you paid for it. GIS is mainly for tax purposes and it court it has zero legal standing.
 

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Here's an option to set the posts once it's moved. I had an Amish crew do this so I'm guessing they had these custom made? It's all 1/4" thick and the J bolts were at least 5/8 or maybe 3/4". You could even do angle iron vertically around the posts and then set them in a concrete hole.

I don't think the Simpson has the same structural strength as the original post 2' down would have for cross winds movement.
 

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Yeah, I kinda knew survey first was the right answer, but I guess I am anticipating where it wall land. There are supposed to be 3 survey pins along the 600ft boundary being discussed here. I have located two of them, but the third is not where I would have expected it to be. Looks like I’ll be getting a survey scheduled.

No, a survey was not done when the property was purchased 24 years ago. In hindsight, of course, that should have happened, but at the time it did not seem an issue. We were not aware that the revised property line drawn up had not been filed with the county. We knew they had agreed, and that money had changed hands, but we assumed it was filed, and that was our mistake.
 

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This right here. Where we live, most people have 2-10 acre lots. Most of us hunt and shoot on our property (legally). Couple of years ago, they built a small sub division not too far from us. Lots of transplants 'moving to the country' complained about the gunfire. Turns out they didn't bother to research the laws where they moved to and the fact the police rifle range is close by as well. Some of the stories about explaining right of ways to people who haven't owned any sort of lot and moved from other parts of the country are crazy.
And once they move in, they try to change it to where it is like the place they fled from.
 
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In this instance both we and the neighbor are longtime residents of the area. My wife haslived in this house since 2000, and was born about 20 miles away. I moved here 7 years ago from GA.

The neighbor in question has lived on the bordering property for 9 years, but is also from the area.
 

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In this instance both we and the neighbor are longtime residents of the area. My wife haslived in this house since 2000, and was born about 20 miles away. I moved here 7 years ago from GA.

The neighbor in question has lived on the bordering property for 9 years, but is also from the area.
So how does all this institutional knowledge create the lot lines? I assume it doesn't. Get it surveyed.
 

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How deep are the posts into the ground?

personally I think I would look to rent a flat bed lift truck. They are often used to lift roofing or other heavy materials up to roof level where they can be easily axcessed.

i would dig up the footings, and then lift the whole thing out of the hole.

i would then move it over and set it down to make a park where the posts will be.

use a power auger to make the post holes.

use gravel in the bottom of the hole to level it.

then add concrete

getting the old concrete off the posts once they are out will not be too hard, score with a diamond blade and then a hammer/chisel
 

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Kinda already mentioned. Ask the neighbor if you can buy that small triangle of land, pay for a new survey and give your neighbor a case of his favorite afterwards.
 

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I have looked at that site soooo many times. And I honestly can't tell. But I do believe we are over based on an old fence line.
If this is where you are, you absolutely need a survey. Right now it sounds like you’re just guessing. And I’ll add that yes you should be able to cut the post off and drag it. You’ll need to box in the bottom of all the posts and pull at the bottom to slide it 6 feet.
 
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I work in the surveying business. I can't tell you how many calls we have received like "The GIS shows my neighbor's shed/fence/driveway, etc. is on my property". They pay us to survey it, and the GIS is wrong.

Just saying, GIS is not the gospel. Might be right, might be wrong. At the end of the day it's a reference, and worth exactly what you paid for it. GIS is mainly for tax purposes and it court it has zero legal standing.
Certainly. My point was that it may alert the neighbor to the issue. Without knowing the OP's address, I can't say whether or not the GIS map shows the carport as being across the line.
 

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Have you been using or maintaining the area in question for 7 years? It appears that is the time frame Tennessee uses for Adverse Possession.
 
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I'd leave it alone, until the neighbor actually complains. Then they need to get the property line surveyed. Then it becomes a civil matter. And as someone said, it wouldn't take long to disassemble the carport and relocate it.

This is what I would lean towards.
 

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Have to go with # 1 survey, money well spent and # 2 disassembly of building for a win, win. Fun spending other people's money. Neighbors, yeah we have a karen to, one out of about twenty. Rules only apply to everyone else but them.
 

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I'd leave it alone, until the neighbor actually complains. Then they need to get the property line surveyed. Then it becomes a civil matter. And as someone said, it wouldn't take long to disassemble the carport and relocate it.
Best idea yet.
“I’m sorry I didn’t realize that. It’ll be moved ASAP.”
 

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Is this maybe a case of better to ask forgiveness than permission? If they haven't said anything maybe they won’t? I mean they would need to pay for a survey to even bring it up right?

I'd leave it alone, until the neighbor actually complains. Then they need to get the property line surveyed. Then it becomes a civil matter. And as someone said, it wouldn't take long to disassemble the carport and relocate it.

This is what I would lean towards.

Best idea yet.
“I’m sorry I didn’t realize that. It’ll be moved ASAP.”
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1. Unbolt the posts
2. Brace the roof (probably way more than needed)
3. Add some tracks from top of post to top of post(2x8 or 2x10). These would be on the side of the post extending about 2-4" above each post.
4. Put two new posts in front of the carport
5. Lift/slide carport to the new post
6. Reattach everything
7. Cut the rear post flush to the ground or remove them completely.

Outside of setting the new posts you could tackle this in an afternoon.
 

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Have a large crane come in to lift it and place it where you want. A good crane company will know exactly how to brace it for moving, and whatever else will be needed. Get it surveyed and have the surveyor place pins where they know it will not violate any setbacks.
 

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That thing weighs what, 2000 pounds? A guy on each post could slide it. A rented forklift could lift it. 6K telehandler is $740 a day from Sunbelt. Get that, a couple of straps, pick it up, move it. 2 hours, tops.

Does your neighbor even know it exists?
 

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A lot to unpack here.

Adverse possession is real, and if your building is on the neighbor's property this is a perfect example of it. To create a valid claim to permanent property rights requires notorious possession (such as a building or improvement) be on the property for an extended period of time. A quick Google search says in your state its 20 years. I wouldn't go that route, but if it was in your mind basically at this point you'd just wait to see if the neighbor came to you and said "You're on my property. Move it." If that was after 20 years from the day the carport was built and you can document it, you'd end up in court and you'd have a chance to win.

But...what I would do instead is spend the money to have the property surveyed.

While someone pointed out that GIS lines on the county property report can be off a lot. It's also true that old-time surveyors would often make errors when computing corners or reference points and those errors could add up from point to point until a fence is off quite a lot.

Now...if the fence is over on you, your neighbor could make the claim that the fence IS the property line regardless, because that was the agreed line and it is notorious.

I got into this for work several years ago. Had a remote property that my employer owned. The neighbor built a fence well onto that property. I got a surveyor and had it surveyed about 3 months after the fence showed up and the neighbor got all pissy about moving his fence. "You guys don't even need that ground!" My response was that there was a lot to my job, but giving away property the company owned wasn't something I was authorized to do. I gave him 2 weeks to take down the fence or we'd take it down for him.

If we'd have allowed that fence to stay up, eventually he could have claimed adverse possession.

The OP's story says that previous owners had a "handshake deal". What about that? That's no ADVERSE possession. A handshake deal can be cancelled by either party, or the successor property owner at any time.

Back to my story about getting the property surveyed. While the fence was on my employer's property, the actual corners weren't anywhere near where we thought they were forever before the survey. Turned out the city street wasn't centered in the right-of-way and our "layman" measurements that assumed it was were off by about 5 feet. It was nice to get some pins in the ground to give peace of mind and clarity.

That's where the OP should start. Hire a surveyor.

Final point...the other time this will come back to haunt you is when you sell. It's likely that it will be noted that your improvement is either off the property, in the setback or both. If that carport was mine and I was moving it? I'd move it inside the setback where it should have been put to begin with.

Final Final point...it just occurred to me that even if you were able to establish adverse possession, that would likely only go to the edges of the carport....so YOU'D STILL be in the setback. You could win an adverse possession case after spending 10's of thousands in legal fees and the neighbor could go to the county and make you move your carport off the setback anyway.
 
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I'd leave it alone, until the neighbor actually complains. Then they need to get the property line surveyed. Then it becomes a civil matter. And as someone said, it wouldn't take long to disassemble the carport and relocate it.
This is my take. Don't go through this and spend all that money for something that may never be an issue.

Also, I'd disassemble it and rebuild it if you need to move it. You want those posts in the ground structurally for wind support. There is zero lateral support if those 6x6s are not in the ground.
This is not a big deal - there's not much to this structure. If you want to make it easy, rent a telehandler for a weekend or tractor with forks. It'll pull those 6x6s out of the ground with no issues and you can move all the metal and trusses with them.
 

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Not sure what a survey would cost you but I agree w/ all of post #65. Let it be. An additional thought to that. If you have the survey done, then you could be proven to know where the results lie. So then it could be said you knew it was wrong but did nothing about it. It seems to me that that could easily go against you.
 

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, that would likely only go to the edges of the carport....so YOU'D STILL be in the setback. You could win an adverse possession case after spending 10's of thousands in legal fees and the neighbor could go to the county and make you move your carport off the setback anyway.
Get the right lawyer and they could argue that the required setback should be included in the taking.
 

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Have you been using or maintaining the area in question for 7 years? It appears that is the time frame Tennessee uses for Adverse Possession.
So your advocating to just take the land?
I guess that means you'd be ok with a squatter occupying your land and taking it from you?

Lol. Ok.
 

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So your advocating to just take the land?
I guess that means you'd be ok with a squatter occupying your land and taking it from you?

Lol. Ok.

The OP stated "Basically we thought the property line was in one place because the previous owners of BOTH properties said it was. Turns out they had made a handshake agreement on where the property line was, but never filed that with the Register of Deeds in our county." I am saying that one way to correct the overlook of never filing an agreement might be using Adverse Possession which I have been told is 20 years in this case not 7. He doesn't have an agreement with the current owner so he may be able to use Adverse Possession.
 

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here's the process I'd follow.

1. pour extended new slab with 3 midwest permacolumn wet set brackets in place.
2. install 3 anchor set permacolumn brackets on the existing slab.
3. bracing everywhere
4. sawzall cut posts flush with ground.
5. use bottle jacks and set each post on a cheapo moving dolly from Harbor freight.
6. roll to new position
7. set in brackets
8. bolt posts to new brackets
9. KEEP old slab, remove if neighbors complain.
 
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