The dirty tool secret they don't want you to know.

[woody 73]

The following video was posted two weeks ago, now I know most of you already know all of this, some of you might not agree with it, some of you might not like it, but I just watched it today and I found it interesting to say the least. You can take it with a grain of salt as they say as you watch it.

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[four.cycle]

Nothing new in this video that most of us were not already aware of.

Video perpetuates the myth about Craftsman warranty, which is now handled directly through Stanley Black & Decker, not the local retailer.

Why does the author of this video show a photo image of Sam Altman when speaking about Stanley Black & Decker's acquisition of the Craftsman brand?

 

[WhataTool]

Why does the author of this video show a photo image of Sam Altman when speaking about Stanley Black & Decker's acquisition of the Craftsman brand?

Because the entire video was made by AI and we're only helping spread that slop by talking about it here

 

[mike93lx]

Ai garbage

 

[Beerhippie]

"Chatbot: Insert image of evil venture vulture here."

 

[zendriver]

I thought I had posed the above video a while back, but mine was a different episode of the same Soap Opera.

20 Minutes of Craftsman Drama

Watch it or not, does have a few interesting points, but a lot of it is more of the same. :dunno: "time marches on!" seems to be less of a thing and even though most tools are made overseas, it appears to be more about a personal betrayal. My family almost never purchased from Sears (too...

www.garagejournal.com

 

[L.Cheapo]

The only thing I learned from this thread is bing still exists. Huh, wouldn't have guessed.

 

[TailGunner3000]

Video perpetuates the myth about Craftsman warranty, which is now handled directly through Stanley Black & Decker, not the local retailer.

Not always. It has been posted numerous times that Lowes has honored the warranty in-store.

 

[MovingAlong]

This is why we can't have nice things.

Bad enough AI is generating this slop, but do we have to encourage it?

 

[woody 73]

Some nice words are in order, first off, I did say most of you already knew this information. Second that some of you would not like this information. and last some of you might not agree with this.

So now for the part that some of you young bucks out there help teach an old man some facts as they say.

Rember kiddies I grew up without computers, I used a slide rule, no handheld little calculators, phones were connected to a wall and trust me you better be able to read a map for directions or else you were cooked as they say, no GPS devises.

So how does a person no what is AI generated, trust me I am clueless.
What the freaking fxxxk is a chatbot?
Why is it slop?

remember my age is working against me here, keep that in mind because one day you young bucks will be in my shoes, give it time it happens.

Woody

 

[mike93lx]

Some nice words are in order, first off, I did say most of you already knew this information. Second that some of you would not like this information. and last some of you might not agree with this.

So now for the part that some of you young bucks out there help teach an old man some facts as they say.

Rember kiddies I grew up without computers, I used a slide rule, no handheld little calculators, phones were connected to a wall and trust me you better be able to read a map for directions or else you were cooked as they say, no GPS devises.

So how does a person no what is AI generated, trust me I am clueless.
What the freaking fxxxk is a chatbot?
Why is it slop?

remember my age is working against me here, keep that in mind because one day you young bucks will be in my shoes, give it time it happens.

Woody

The voice, lack of seeing a narrator, the artwork, and likely mispronounciation of words. Admittedly, I didn't watch the video, so the last one may not apply, but I bet it does

That video was made by someone entering a prompt into an Ai tool to make a video about the subject. It likely wasn't properly researched and fact checked

 

[four.cycle]

Don't take it personally, Woody. It's not YOU - it's the entire "AI" thing, which seems to be doing its best to give itself a bad name in the tool world.
We've got members who are in full support of "AI", and tout its features and benefits, and there's no reason to question the veracity of their claims.
However, when it comes to the world of tools, I have seen nothing in the way of "accuracy" or "truth" that convinces me it has any practical use at all in respect to "tools" or "tool history", but rather only hyperbole and mindless errata based on information from unreliable sources. (ebay's "AI" generated ad descriptions probably being the worst examples I've seen.)

 

[woody 73]

Mike and four cycle thank you both, scary for an old geezer, sigh I sometimes miss the old days, but life goes on.

 

[four.cycle]

^ You ain't any more "old geezer" than I am, buddy.

I left the free cell phone up in Sequim. I couldn't figure out how to use the damn thing. Maybe my sister will write a tutorial for me.

 

[TailGunner3000]

Old Geezer here as well.

I was particularly amused when it pronounced the company as "Black Plus Decker" rather than "Black And Decker."

 

[Snaparxon]

AI

 

[NUTTSGT]

I got about a minute or two into the video.....not sure why so long.


How to tell if it's AI ? Kind of like a deal that is too good to be true.

 

[Lassen Forge]

The weird word spacing on the CG narration and the unconnected disjointed video gives it away. Took me about 20 seconds to dismiss it as AI **** - typical of the genre of "Sorry, Siri, not worth my time"....

 

[logical]

The weird Harbor Freight Icon hand tools plug at the end came completely out of left field...and may have actually been the whole point of the video.

 

[bwringer]

Learning to spot AI slop is an absolutely essential survival skill.

One easy step that will eliminate the majority of this **** is when it's a voiceover. If there's no authentic, real human on the screen talking, it's AI, and nothing in the video is real or accurate.

It's also still pretty easy to recognize AI voices once you've encountered a few. (For me, it's the instant headache; something about the stilted cadence and repetition just makes my brain shrivel up.)

Look at it this way: we have a few million years of evolution on our side that give us very finely tuned abilities in detecting the characteristics of other humans. We need to be able to instantly identify family, friends, and foes, see when people are sick or lying, etc. AI is still a very long way from being able to cross the Uncanny Valley.

 

[IndyGarage]

Learning to spot AI slop is an absolutely essential survival skill.

One easy step that will eliminate the majority of this **** is when it's a voiceover. If there's no authentic, real human on the screen talking, it's AI, and nothing in the video is real or accurate.

It's also still pretty easy to recognize AI voices once you've encountered a few. (For me, it's the instant headache; something about the stilted cadence and repetition just makes my brain shrivel up.)

Look at it this way: we have a few million years of evolution on our side that give us very finely tuned abilities in detecting the characteristics of other humans. We need to be able to instantly identify family, friends, and foes, see when people are sick or lying, etc. AI is still a very long way from being able to cross the Uncanny Valley.

AI generated video is less than 3 years old, yet now dominates youtube.

Yes, you can tell this is AI as soon as you start watching, but the video is in its infancy, within a year or two you won't be able to tell.

I didn't hear anything in the video that was untrue - it just sensationalizes stuff that we already knew.

BTW it goes on and on about being captive to a battery brand - I use milwaukee 18V tools with my Makita batteries all the time with an adapter.

 

[four.cycle]

I didn't hear anything in the video that was untrue

- warranty information is incorrect. - the video perpetuates a myth regarding how Craftsman warranties are handled.
- Sam Altman had nothing to do with the sale of the Craftsman brand name. not exactly sure what the video creator was thinking.

Currently "AI" does a huge disservice to the tool world as a whole: repeating misinformation over and over again in the echo chamber that is the internet.

It may be appropriate at this juncture to remind readers of the sage advice of one Joseph Goebbels:
"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

Repeated enough times, any lie becomes reality for the unknowing.
It is for that reason that "AI" should be called out, nipped in the bud, ignored, and its creators challenged and confronted.

 

[theoldwizard1]

AI generated or not, that basic statements are correct. A couple of big companies own most of the major brands.

The real question is, are the "premium" brands actually made different and are better ? I suspect that the Milwaukee brand IS BETTER than its cousins.

Another tool brand that I don't think has any "cousins" is Bosch. Older items were made in Germany/Switzerland. Not sure about current production.

 

[driftpin]

Rember kiddies I grew up without computers, I used a slide rule, no handheld little calculators, phones were connected to a wall and trust me you better be able to read a map for directions or else you were cooked as they say, no GPS devises.

Wondering how-old you are? I suspect we're in similar territory.

Best as I recall, my first slide rule was given to me in jr. high school. 'Calculators' were called adding machines, and they came with 120V cords. Most of my friends had a single telephone in the house, if it was 1-story, and perhaps two if it was a 2-story. I don't recall wireless handsets until the 1970's. For finding my way around a city, I kept a directory map in the vehicle, and the edge of the map would have co-ordinates on it to orient you to flipping the page and you matched the co-ordinates to follow the map. It was large-format, something like 12" X 16".

The AM radio dial had two triangles for the CONELRAD emergency broadcasting stations, for Civil Defense, and maybe twice a day/night, an emergency tone would sound, testing the network with the PSA, "if this was an emergency... ."

 

[IndyGarage]

- warranty information is incorrect. - the video perpetuates a myth regarding how Craftsman warranties are handled.
- Sam Altman had nothing to do with the sale of the Craftsman brand name. not exactly sure what the video creator was thinking.

Currently "AI" does a huge disservice to the tool world as a whole: repeating misinformation over and over again in the echo chamber that is the internet.

It may be appropriate at this juncture to remind readers of the sage advice of one Joseph Goebbels:
"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

Repeated enough times, any lie becomes reality for the unknowing.
It is for that reason that "AI" should be called out, nipped in the bud, ignored, and its creators challenged and confronted.

I didn't hear it say anything incorrect on Craftsman warranty, other than you used to take it back to sears and now you can't (mostly because sears doesn't exist anymore) It just said you have to take it to specific stores, who go through a process and don't necessarily hand you a new tool, no questions asked.

AI always uses odd images in videos - that's not unusual.

Don't get me wrong, I hate AI videos, but saying it does "a huge disservice to the tool world" is exaggerating a bit, in my opinion.

 

[IndyGarage]

AI generated or not, that basic statements are correct. A couple of big companies own most of the major brands.

The real question is, are the "premium" brands actually made different and are better ? I suspect that the Milwaukee brand IS BETTER than its cousins.

Another tool brand that I don't think has any "cousins" is Bosch. Older items were made in Germany/Switzerland. Not sure about current production

"made different and better" could be interpreted many different ways.

I did a project in a donut factory that made probably 15 different brands of donuts on the same lines. Was Walmart Great Value brand worse than Krispy Creme? Well they all went down the same fryer line - so they weren't really made different. They all had different packaging and the size/weight of the donuts was different. Also, they all had slightly different recipes. One brand for example might use more butter than another. So they were slightly different, but not as much as the consumer might think.

I suspect the different tool brands are the same way. Manufactured identical - some might use some better components or have more features than the others.

I think several of the german brands are still independent. As is Hilti - who bought Panasonic Tools. I'm sure it's hard for the smaller brands to compete with those big companies.

 

[545_days]

I have learned that I can ignore virtually every video claiming to reveal a truth "they don't want you to know" because it will be sensational ********.

The same goes for any video with the creator making a stupid looking shocked face and pointing at something on the video's splash page. Virtually 100% not worth my time AI generated or not.

 

[L.Cheapo]

I have learned that I can ignore virtually every video claiming to reveal a truth "they don't want you to know" because it will be sensational ********.

The same goes for any video with the creator making a stupid looking shocked face and pointing at something on the video's splash page. Virtually 100% not worth my time AI generated or not.

I go a step further--if I get the slightest hint of AI being involved, I hit the back button, then the three dots, and click "Don't recommend channel".

 

[zendriver]

Ok, it's AI, so what?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I did see looks more-or less factual. Is it not?

Do we have to have all information spoon-fed to us by a real human, like it's the 20th century?

 

[WhataTool]

Ok, it's AI, so what?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I did see looks more-or less factual. Is it not?

Do we have to have all information spoon-fed to us by a real human, like it's the 20th century?

AI works by using human written or created content, info and published works as resources. The more AI is pumped out there for the sake of laziness, the more it references a body of work made by itself.
It also promotes, as more people share your view, pumping out articles, videos and content just like this non stop by server farms if there's people willing to watch it, even 100 views. You have mainframes working at full clip, using potable water dumped into spillways after to cool them, just churning out slop 24hrs a day instead of someone using their brains, creating something new - adding actual perspectives and starting a discourse they can actually be apart of in the comment section.

The creator of this sort of video themselves doesn't feel its worth a minute of their own time, we should simply agree with them

 

[L.Cheapo]

Ok, it's AI, so what?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I did see looks more-or less factual. Is it not?

Do we have to have all information spoon-fed to us by a real human, like it's the 20th century?

If a human wants to show something interesting, or demonstrate how to do something, I'll probably watch.

Some clown entering prompts into a computer to have it spit out some visual and audio slop it scraped from other peoples' work and cobbled together? Not worth my time.

If you like your AI siop, you can keep it.

 

[zendriver]

AI works by using human written or created content, info and published works as resources. The more AI is pumped out there for the sake of laziness, the more it references a body of work made by itself.
It also promotes, as more people share your view, pumping out articles, videos and content just like this non stop by server farms if there's people willing to watch it, even 100 views. You have mainframes working at full clip, using potable water dumped into spillways after to cool them, just churning out slop 24hrs a day instead of someone using their brains, creating something new - adding actual perspectives and starting a discourse they can actually be apart of in the comment section.

The creator of this sort of video themselves doesn't feel its worth a minute of their own time, we should simply agree with them

No one forced you to click on the link.

I don't see where some doofus spending a large amount off time, researching the exact same material, stitching it together and then reading his narration from a teleprompter, somehow make any difference.

 

[zendriver]

If a human wants to show something interesting, or demonstrate how to do something, I'll probably watch.

Some clown entering prompts into a computer to have it spit out some visual and audio slop it scraped from other peoples' work and cobbled together? Not worth my time.

If you like your AI siop, you can keep it.

We're all sitting here trading barbs, with our computer keyboards, instead of writing thought provoked letters and sending them to each other via snail-mail.

What's up with that?

Not much choice, but to "keep it", it's pretty much the future.

 

[four.cycle]

I didn't hear it say anything incorrect on Craftsman warranty

The warranty information stated in the video is incorrect.

 

[L.Cheapo]

We're all sitting here trading barbs, with our computer keyboards, instead of writing thought provoked letters and sending them to each other via snail-mail.

What's up with that?

Not much choice, but to "keep it", it's pretty much the future.

Plenty of choice, as I indicated in my post above--three clicks and that one's gone. There are still hundreds of thousands of actual humans producing watch-worthy content on YouTube. AI has some uses, but creativity isn't one of them.

Thinking about what entertains the average person, I guess I shouldn't be surprised AI generated content has become so prolific. That's not a cheap shot at anyone here.

I'll keep avoiding it as best I can.

 

[WhataTool]

No one forced you to click on the link.

I don't see where some doofus spending a large amount off time, researching the exact same material, stitching it together and then reading his narration from a teleprompter, somehow make any difference.

No one said the video was AI until I did in the thread, so not sure what clicking on the link proves.

To your comparison:
Humans talking on the phone
humans sending letters to each other
humans interacting on a message board
AI generating a video

If these are all equivalent to you, send my regards to your ai girlfriend

 

[zendriver]

No one said the video was AI until I did in the thread, so not sure what clicking on the link proves.

To your comparison:
Humans talking on the phone
humans sending letters to each other
humans interacting on a message board
AI generating a video

If these are all equivalent to you, send my regards to your ai girlfriend

No direct comparison, just making a point that modern technology is doing something in a different way, that it may have been done in the past.

it's interesting people are frightened of AI, hoping that somehow it will go away. It won't.

Real wife and I were discussing AI mates. They have their downsides, but at least they are not tired-*** psychos, set in their ways, wanting someone to feed them. (at least not yet)

 

[zendriver]

Plenty of choice, as I indicated in my post above--three clicks and that one's gone. There are still hundreds of thousands of actual humans producing watch-worthy content on YouTube. AI has some uses, but creativity isn't one of them.

Thinking about what entertains the average person, I guess I shouldn't be surprised AI generated content has become so prolific. That's not a cheap shot at anyone here.

I'll keep avoiding it as best I can.

It already is prolific, because it is relatively easy to produce.

This popped up in my YT feed, for obvious reason.

It's pretty much accurate, not sure why someone would find it upsetting.

 

[L.Cheapo]

It already is prolific, because it is relatively easy to produce.

This popped up in my YT feed, for obvious reason.

It's pretty much accurate, not sure why someone would find it upsetting.

Who's upset?

I don't like mint ice cream. Does that make me upset? No, I just order rocky road.

 

[IndyGarage]

The warranty information stated in the video is incorrect.

Perhaps it would help if you said how it was incorrect instead of just saying it is incorrect.

I watched that part - it didn't even say what the warranty was or wasn't it just said the process had changed, which is true.