Eric Brown
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Sweet. All you need is a new cap.
Hollow Handle (Wooden, also Steel) Combination Tool and Bits
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Private Lugnutz
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Yeah, I already tried all the caps I have from the other hollow handle bit tools I own, just to see if they would fit the thread, in case I ran into an orphan, but they're all too big.
But I have a plan. A woodworking GJer buddy from the PNW who fixed my Civil War era Thayer's Patent multi-tool handle. He knows who he is! Just waiting for him to see this and laugh.
Mintgrun
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The first thing I thought when I saw that was, Send it to me!! 
Mintgrun
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The next thing I thought was, "that looks kind of tricky to make!" so, I bit my tongue.
Eric Brown
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Do you know what size the thread is? I might be able to help. Maybe not.Yeah, I already tried all the caps I have from the other hollow handle bit tools I own, just to see if they would fit the thread, in case I ran into an orphan, but they're all too big.
But I have a plan. A woodworking GJer buddy from the PNW who fixed my Civil War era Thayer's Patent multi-tool handle. He knows who he is! Just waiting for him to see this and laugh.
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Private Lugnutz
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Well, I don't want to twist your arm, but you know you are said "woodworking GJer buddy from the PNW who fixed my Civil War era Thayer's Patent multi-tool handle"!
I'll PM you.
I did not thread gauge it yet, no. I appreciate the offer. Let me talk to @Mintgrun first and then maybe I will get back to you.
Stubby1743
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Snap!.
On mine the plating is nickel rather than chrome I think. I'm missing the flat blade screwdriver but otherwise the two are identical.
I have known the tool since 1964 and I think that it was already old then.
On mine the plating is nickel rather than chrome I think. I'm missing the flat blade screwdriver but otherwise the two are identical.
I have known the tool since 1964 and I think that it was already old then.
Snap!.
On mine the plating is nickel rather than chrome I think. I'm missing the flat blade screwdriver but otherwise the two are identical.
I have known the tool since 1964 and I think that it was already old then.
Yes you are correct, probably nickel plating on mine as well
four.cycle
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Outlawmws
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These have been posted before ( I have two at least) CRS on the brand.
RTM
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I have one with a single blade, German
four.cycle
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CRS?
RTM
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Try the Wayback machine at IA
Outlawmws
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Can't Remember ****. (A Beerhippie-izum)
RTM
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And lots of other people. I have a friend who kept a CRS notebook in his shirt pocket at work.
Outlawmws
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four.cycle
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again: I don't speak Acronymese.
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Private Lugnutz
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The brand is either *BOTIFAM or **WAMFT Tools...
Here's mine in its rightful place amidst the stuff on the steps going up to the maid's quarters in the kitchen (Pic 1) and some close-ups.
Attachments
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Private Lugnutz
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* Back of the Inflight Airline Magazine
** Where Are My F%^&ing Tweezers?
** Where Are My F%^&ing Tweezers?
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Private Lugnutz
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We like weird. The weirder the better. But I'm failing to understand the purpose of those holes, plug, and peg.
In shape (short and bulbous) and the way that collet cap fits on to a ferrule holding the bits inside, it most resembles a Stanley No. 305 (cocobolo) or No. 306 (maple). See @Oregon rock crusher 's post #214 (Pg 6) and @WisJim 's post #335 (pg 9). But I have never seen a Stanley with the holes, plug, and peg.
January 12, 1909 was a patent issue Tuesday, but I don't have any record of that patent date on the thread and DATAMP is nil for anything that would match this tool. I did a breezy search in the 1909 Commissioner's Report in the Smithsonian and couldn't find anything for that date that would match this tool.
Maybe someone else can identify it.
Mintgrun
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It reminds me of one of these stitching tools.
Outlawmws
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Is there a leather needle in the tools? I suspect a sewing awl and the spool holds the thread.
Outlawmws
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Exactly!It reminds me of one of these stitching tools.
Yep you're exactly right. Now I feel stupid Because it seems so obvious now ha. Now to figure out the maker. I was thinking possibly a Britton & son or something but no idea yet.
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Private Lugnutz
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Agreed, and there was a "Sewing Awl and Combination Tool" patented in 1909 (Holmes, 916708), but not January 12, and it didn't have a spool holder in the handle. The 'Speedy Stitcher' site says it was patented in 1909, but I don't remember searching for the date or patent.
Looks like I at least know What the mechanism does, but still nothing on the maker. I'm ninety percent on the january 1909 but the 12 I'm a little iffy on. And I ended up figuring out the miller's falls , I believe. I think it's a no 500 I found the rest of the bits , which is the identical set up as the number five but no metal on the cap or something and different wood. Now time to dig out the others
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Private Lugnutz
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We have 'Speedy Stitchers' (Stewart Mfg) and 'Awl-for-All's' (Myers) posted on this thread, but neither of them store the spool like yours, not in the patented design or in decades of production.
.....................[ Speedy Stitcher ]..................................................................[ Awl-for-All ]...................................
.....................[ Speedy Stitcher ]..................................................................[ Awl-for-All ]...................................
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Private Lugnutz
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No reason to with all those other bits in there.
RTM
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Some weird mechanism with a spinning nob and a peg to hold it in place. Looks to be marked pat Jan 12 1909 but hard to see. Can't make anything else out
Using these terms at USPTO got it down to six or eight results
19090112.pd.
“Tool”.lpar.
“Thread”.lpar.
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AND so they are all together
Sewing Awl
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Private Lugnutz
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Outlawmws
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Methinks all those other bits are stowaways!
Or added later to expand usefulness, since most leather awls have one needle size.
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Private Lugnutz
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Maybe, but note that the patent diagram shows extra needles, of different sizes from each other and the one that is inserted for use, stored in the ferrule.
My hunch is the most recent PO was using it as a hollow handled multi-tool.
Looks like there were a few more needles in there Not sure if the other pieces are meant to go with it or not. I can't seem to find another one like it. Only the speedy stitcher and the Myers. I'd say mystery solved enough to try to get rid of it , at least so I'll call it a success
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Outlawmws
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I read the patent - All needles are marked "I" and I don't see any visual difference in size nor any comments for different sizes?
More examples are needed.
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Private Lugnutz
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^ Could be just my eyesight, Outlaw. On further inspection, I agree. And the patent actually mentions "needles and tools", implying an intent for dual use from the beginning, lending a shred of credence to the originality of the other bits, but he makes no explicit claims for that purpose, in title or body, which casts some doubt.
What do they look like on the back end of the bit?
Outlawmws
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I'm thinking mentioning the tools more specifically might have gotten him into a patent conflict; keeping silent kept it original
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Private Lugnutz
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^ Maybe. I don't know if that feature (bits storage in a ferrule) was patentable. There are several different models of hollow handle tools on the thread with that feature.
In looking around for marketing of @Steven 33 's sewing-awl, I discovered that Mr. A.M. Parker had a couple earlier patents.
Here is 846,242 (March 5, 1907) depicted in the 1906 issue of the National Harness Review.
And here is an even earlier design, 778,066 (Dec 20, 1904), in the July 1906 issue of The Australian Saddle and Harness Maker.
In looking around for marketing of @Steven 33 's sewing-awl, I discovered that Mr. A.M. Parker had a couple earlier patents.
Here is 846,242 (March 5, 1907) depicted in the 1906 issue of the National Harness Review.
And here is an even earlier design, 778,066 (Dec 20, 1904), in the July 1906 issue of The Australian Saddle and Harness Maker.