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I currently have one of those Craftsman "lunchbox" planers. It has worked fine for the many years I've owned it. I'm wondering if the DeWalt 735 is a upgrade worth the price. I can get them used in apparently good condition for about $400-$500 or so. Are they that much better? I know they can take a helical head, which would be something I'd consider later. I think I could only get about $50 for the Craftsman, so I'd be into it fo at least $350 or more for an upgrade. The DeWalt is also much heavier (92 lbs vs about 60 lbs), so I would have to get a stand for it. I keep the C-Man under a workbench and put it on a table when I want to use it. I have a dust collector I attach it to. I'd love to hear thoughts and comments from those who have upgraded/used both.
 
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My starting point was the Dewalt DW735x, and it worked well. I upgraded the head to a shelix head which makes the sound level much more bearable. It was a really good unit and provided excellent results. Only complain was a little underpowered when doing large widths/heavy cuts


I have upgraded to larger SCM 520 model with a segment head and now can take 2-3mm cuts with no issue. I spent less money for this then the 735 with shelix upgrade.
 
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I have the 733, and a buddy had the 735. He's had much more trouble with his than I have. I've heard lots of stories here of catastrophic failures on the 735.

It seems nicer on paper, but don't know if the $$ delta is worth the rish.
 
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Anytime you increase mass and rigidity on a machine = better

Go check out the Cutech
Thanks, I saw those. They look the same (as far as I can tell) as the one I have now. I'll have to look into them further. They seem to be online only, at least new.

I saw one for sale on FB. Asking $400 ("make me an offer") for a used 40800H (spiral cutterhead) that retails for $650. It weighs 69.2 lbs. It's a bit far of a drive, though.
 

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I currently have one of those Craftsman "lunchbox" planers. It has worked fine for the many years I've owned it. I'm wondering if the DeWalt 735 is a upgrade worth the price. I can get them used in apparently good condition for about $400-$500 or so. Are they that much better? I know they can take a helical head, which would be something I'd consider later. I think I could only get about $50 for the Craftsman, so I'd be into it fo at least $350 or more for an upgrade. The DeWalt is also much heavier (92 lbs vs about 60 lbs), so I would have to get a stand for it. I keep the C-Man under a workbench and put it on a table when I want to use it. I have a dust collector I attach it to. I'd love to hear thoughts and comments from those who have upgraded/used both.
It's a great planer. I'm a working professional and it suits my needs perfectly. Something larger is almost always better but this get's 99% of the jobs I need done and for anything bigger, bringing the piece to local workshop that charges a nominal fee to plane something is worth the tiny extra bit of effort, though, your needs and availability with that option may vary.
 

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Since this is jeepgaragejournal....

Anything less than a 24"/ 25hp machine is inferior and will cause blindness.
Indeed. BTW, how many mph is that, *checks notes* woodworking jointer that has nothing to do with garages in your profile picture capable of achieving? I'm considering adding wheels to mine to bump it's fuel consumption as well.
 

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How serious is the work you have planned for it and how frequent?

The reason I ask is I bought a planer and jointer so I could "up my woodworking game", but really I don't do that much that requires them. I've got a 1940s Delta 4" planer, and an older (blue) Ryobi lunchbox planer that got good reviews when I looked it up (it was used). I'm happy to have them, it is simply a case of they don't get used a lot as the majority of my projects are plywood based.

The Delta jointer is a nice little machine, but being small (4") it is limited. Many will recommend at least 6", but it has been fine for me as I'm not making large pieces. It also has a long table so it is better than many of the bench top 6" planers for long skinny pieces. I paid less than $100 for it, so finding an out of the way spot for it to live was more of an issue than the price.

The Ryobi I got for $80, and it works fine. It doesn't do anything fancy, but does a nice job. At $80 I don't have to use it much to make it worthwhile, and it is easy to keep out of the way.


I also have an older planer I got for free before getting the Ryobi. Probably 1960s vintage Belsaw. The same planer was supplied to Sears or Montgomery Ward, so it is considered decent, but is not one that people really desire. I got it for free but it has turned out to be one of those projects where you kind of which you had turned it down.
It is a beast, 240v, 3 or 5hp motor, all metal, weighs a ton (ok, probably more like 300lbs). It is a project, too good to trash without feeling guilty, but more work than I really want to put into it. Even if I get it up and running it is more machine than I need.
I love old machines, but this is a case where buying a Dewalt 735, or maybe even one of the cheaper options like Bauer would have been much better for me. Mostly it is the size and weight of the old machine which is both over kill for my needs as well as not having more capacity than most of the current lunch box planers.
The Ryobi found its way to me about a year later when a friend was moving out of state and off loading any large tools that could easily be replaced or upgraded at the new home. I wish I had started with the Ryobi.

Anyway if you've made it through all that, if you have been happy more or less with the Craftsman then I don't think you could go wrong with the Dewalt. The 735 is very popular. It seems like "better" is only required by people who are pretty serious about their woodworking or do larger work.
If the only issue with the Craftsman is it is getting worn out, then there are a lot of decent planers for about half the price of Dewalt. I never would have looked twice at a Ryobi planer, but I knew the guy I bought it from works to a higher standard than I do and he was happy with it. When I did a search I also found a lot of positive comments about it on woodworking sites. Hard to go wrong with an $80 planer.

I saw your post about the Delta planer, which is why I bring up the Belsaw. If a planer isn't something you will use a lot, then buying a project may be frustrating, particularly when there are good open the box and go to work options.
 

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Indeed. BTW, how many mph is that, *checks notes* woodworking jointer that has nothing to do with garages in your profile picture capable of achieving? I'm considering adding wheels to mine to bump it's fuel consumption as well.

That one is only 5hp but 2500lbs, so fuel efficient down hill.. For me a pallet jack is the best option for "mobile" equipment.
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Back to the OPs question. The 735 gets you a third knife, more capacity, and a build in chip blower in addition to a slightly wider footprint thay should be marginally better. You loose some portability since it's heavy for a lunchbox.
 

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That one is only 5hp but 2500lbs, so fuel efficient down hill.. For me a pallet jack is the best option for "mobile" equipment.
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Back to the OPs question. The 735 gets you a third knife, more capacity, and a build in chip blower in addition to a slightly wider footprint thay should be marginally better. You loose some portability since it's heavy for a lunchbox.
Yeah it's definitely a beast in the weight category. The optional stand is really nice and solid and comparitively cheap when factored in as well.
 
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How serious is the work you have planned for it and how frequent?

The reason I ask is I bought a planer and jointer so I could "up my woodworking game", but really I don't do that much that requires them. I've got a 1940s Delta 4" planer, and an older (blue) Ryobi lunchbox planer that got good reviews when I looked it up (it was used). I'm happy to have them, it is simply a case of they don't get used a lot as the majority of my projects are plywood based.

The Delta jointer is a nice little machine, but being small (4") it is limited. Many will recommend at least 6", but it has been fine for me as I'm not making large pieces. It also has a long table so it is better than many of the bench top 6" planers for long skinny pieces. I paid less than $100 for it, so finding an out of the way spot for it to live was more of an issue than the price.

The Ryobi I got for $80, and it works fine. It doesn't do anything fancy, but does a nice job. At $80 I don't have to use it much to make it worthwhile, and it is easy to keep out of the way.


I also have an older planer I got for free before getting the Ryobi. Probably 1960s vintage Belsaw. The same planer was supplied to Sears or Montgomery Ward, so it is considered decent, but is not one that people really desire. I got it for free but it has turned out to be one of those projects where you kind of which you had turned it down.
It is a beast, 240v, 3 or 5hp motor, all metal, weighs a ton (ok, probably more like 300lbs). It is a project, too good to trash without feeling guilty, but more work than I really want to put into it. Even if I get it up and running it is more machine than I need.
I love old machines, but this is a case where buying a Dewalt 735, or maybe even one of the cheaper options like Bauer would have been much better for me. Mostly it is the size and weight of the old machine which is both over kill for my needs as well as not having more capacity than most of the current lunch box planers.
The Ryobi found its way to me about a year later when a friend was moving out of state and off loading any large tools that could easily be replaced or upgraded at the new home. I wish I had started with the Ryobi.

Anyway if you've made it through all that, if you have been happy more or less with the Craftsman then I don't think you could go wrong with the Dewalt. The 735 is very popular. It seems like "better" is only required by people who are pretty serious about their woodworking or do larger work.
If the only issue with the Craftsman is it is getting worn out, then there are a lot of decent planers for about half the price of Dewalt. I never would have looked twice at a Ryobi planer, but I knew the guy I bought it from works to a higher standard than I do and he was happy with it. When I did a search I also found a lot of positive comments about it on woodworking sites. Hard to go wrong with an $80 planer.

I saw your post about the Delta planer, which is why I bring up the Belsaw. If a planer isn't something you will use a lot, then buying a project may be frustrating, particularly when there are good open the box and go to work options.
I'm retiring soon, so I plan to do more woodworking. I'll have time for a "project", but I'm not sure I want one, LOL! The Craftsman has been okay, but it does tend to "ripple" the wood a bit. I like that it's portable, too. The Dewalt is 30 lbs or more heavier, so it will need to be on a portable table. The Cutech is looking like a contender; it's about the same price as a DeWalt and has a spiral cutter. There's one a bit of a drive away, but it might be worth a look. Seller wants $400 ("make me an offer") and has a link to the Cutech website, so I'm not sure how much lower they will go.
 

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Thanks, I saw those. They look the same (as far as I can tell) as the one I have now. I'll have to look into them further. They seem to be online only, at least new.

I saw one for sale on FB. Asking $400 ("make me an offer") for a used 40800H (spiral cutterhead) that retails for $650. It weighs 69.2 lbs. It's a bit far of a drive, though.

This was served up to me, looks to be a very competitive machine w/ warranty and spiral cut. Same form factor, better then the smaller lighter lunchboxers. More of a HD lunchbox, ie Dewalt 735 four post


Decent Youtube review - This dude

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I'm retiring soon, so I plan to do more woodworking. I'll have time for a "project", but I'm not sure I want one, LOL! The Craftsman has been okay, but it does tend to "ripple" the wood a bit. I like that it's portable, too. The Dewalt is 30 lbs or more heavier, so it will need to be on a portable table. The Cutech is looking like a contender; it's about the same price as a DeWalt and has a spiral cutter. There's one a bit of a drive away, but it might be worth a look. Seller wants $400 ("make me an offer") and has a link to the Cutech website, so I'm not sure how much lower they will go.

I'm not familiar with Cutech, but as much as I prefer vintage machinery, I'm finding there are some tools where older isn't better, particularly in woodworking. That one is probably a better option than the Delta you were looking at, and $400 is a lot better than $700-800 if it is a good machine.

Scroll saws, table saws and planers are very much in the new can be better category as they have made big improvements to the technology over the last 50 years.
 
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Unless you are spending top dollar.... often older machines are better then their modern equivalent

If you have:
-the space
-the power
-the way to move

a big machine, yes you can score some killer deals.
 
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I'm not familiar with Cutech, but as much as I prefer vintage machinery, I'm finding there are some tools where older isn't better, particularly in woodworking. That one is probably a better option than the Delta you were looking at, and $400 is a lot better than $700-800 if it is a good machine.

Scroll saws, table saws and planers are very much in the new can be better category as they have made big improvements to the technology over the last 50 years.
I wasn't either, but they keep coming up in my research. The Delta is too much machine, I think. Most of them seem like projects anyway. I need to see if I can check out the Cutech I saw.

Older table saws seems to be a "thing"; I see lots of the old ones for big money.
 
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Unless you are spending top dollar.... often older machines are better then their modern equivalent

If you have:
-the space
-the power
-the way to move

a big machine, yes you can score some killer deals.
I do not have the space, but I do have 220. I would need to place any bigger planer on some sort of moveable stand.
 
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This was served up to me, looks to be a very competitive machine w/ warranty and spiral cut. Same form factor, better then the smaller lighter lunchboxers. More of a HD lunchbox, ie Dewalt 735 four post


Decent Youtube review - This dude

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Interesting, thanks. I think it's about the same price for the Dewalt with the spiral head (this one is $1,000 for those following along). It even looks like the DeWalt with different colors. This company makes the cutterheads (or at least sells them) for the DeWalt.
 

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The Craftsman has been okay, but it does tend to "ripple" the wood a bit.
I was investigating this when I bought my Dewalt 733. Someone said that a lot of older, big, commercial machines have a much lower cuts per foot rating than the 733.

Wasn't believing this much, but I was cleaning up a kitchen counter, and bought a piece of molding for the front, and I took a hand plane to it, with a very light cut, which took off the high spots of the ripple, made them REALLY obvious. Measured the cadence, and in theory it was cutting less than half as fast as my Dewalt.

I became a believer.

I also planed it down to smooth afterwards.
 

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I like my 735 but I will eventually upgrade to a bigger size with spiral head. I won’t upgrade to the Shelix head because I will upgrade and the stock 735 does what I need it to do for now.
 

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I was investigating this when I bought my Dewalt 733. Someone said that a lot of older, big, commercial machines have a much lower cuts per foot rating than the 733.

Wasn't believing this much, but I was cleaning up a kitchen counter, and bought a piece of molding for the front, and I took a hand plane to it, with a very light cut, which took off the high spots of the ripple, made them REALLY obvious. Measured the cadence, and in theory it was cutting less than half as fast as my Dewalt.

I became a believer.

I also planed it down to smooth afterwards.

Everything run through a moulder/planer will have some amount of knife marks (cuts) per inch where more is "smoother" however there is a limit with minimum chip load the effect on knife lifespan. Part of the reason the lunchbox planers have a high cuttethead speed is to offset the small head diameter. Larger heads have a more tangential cut and therefore less prounceed scalloped. It's all a tradeoff.
 

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The 735 and a Shellix head might cost $1200 max, The SCM520's I've seen are big ticket items.... You sure you bought a SCM 520?

Yep, Here is a picture of it in my garage, I was mid project, excuse the mess. It has a segmented head that the previous owner installed.

The reason it was cheap was due to snip issue/board not feeding. Issue was incorrectly adjusted pressure bar. I tore it down, install new bearing all around(mostly to have a base line on the machine), adjusted pressure bar, and off to the races.

I paid just over $1k for it, it was $1500CAD, and I believe when I bought it the exchange rate was like .7 or .71.

The 735 I had was the model that came with a stand, extension tables etc(I did include a certificate for a free pair of Costa sunglasses which are at the bottom of the lake...). Then I bought the shelix head which was an additional $400+ at the time.

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Yep, Here is a picture of it in my garage, I was mid project, excuse the mess. It has a segmented head that the previous owner installed.

The reason it was cheap was due to snip issue/board not feeding. Issue was incorrectly adjusted pressure bar. I tore it down, install new bearing all around(mostly to have a base line on the machine), adjusted pressure bar, and off to the races.

I paid just over $1k for it, it was $1500CAD, and I believe when I bought it the exchange rate was like .7 or .71.

The 735 I had was the model that came with a stand, extension tables etc(I did include a certificate for a free pair of Costa sunglasses which are at the bottom of the lake...). Then I bought the shelix head which was an additional $400+ at the time.

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Looks clean.

if anyone in NJ is looking..
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I took a hand plane to it, with a very light cut, which took off the high spots of the ripple, made them REALLY obvious.
My old Hitachi leaves a decent finish with the grain but there are still machine marks to take out with a smoothing plane. I never really noticed knife marks until I got into hand tools but now they stick out like a sore thumb. The helical heads do a much better job than straight knives though.
 
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My old Hitachi leaves a decent finish with the grain but there are still machine marks to take out with a smoothing plane. I never really noticed knife marks until I got into hand tools but now they stick out like a sore thumb. The helical heads do a much better job than straight knives though.
In Japan, “Super Surfacers” are used, which are basically just giant surface planers, that work like a hand plane, but with a rubber roller that pulls the lumber under or over the blade and cutting head, shaving off a continuous layer.
Makita allegedly tried selling these in the USA a few decades ago, but there were few buyers.
Marunaka is likely the major manufacturer nowadays.
 

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Japan, “Super Surfacers” are used, which are basically just giant surface planers, that work like a hand plane, but with a rubber roller that pulls the lumber under or over the blade and cutting head, shaving off a continuous layer.
Makita allegedly tried selling these in the USA a few decades ago, but there were few buyers
I saw one of these on CL a few years back. I was out of town, and it was gone within a few hours. I forget if it was Makita or Hitachi, but it was reasonable $$.


I sent an inquiry before I was reading up on it, and still missed out by hours.
 

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I saw one of these on CL a few years back. I was out of town, and it was gone within a few hours. I forget if it was Makita or Hitachi, but it was reasonable $$.


I sent an inquiry before I was reading up on it, and still missed out by hours.
Makita, Hitachi, and Ryobi all nade or sold the duper surfacers in Japan, and may still, they just no longer seem to sell the tools outside of Japan anymore.
Interestingly, the earliest wood planers in the USA and the UK used a single blade system with the wood bring pushed thru the blade, but that style died out when the rotary planer was invented.
I would think about trying to import a used one, but I’m not sure about the electronics, since the electronics are a bit more complicated that simply on/off, and Japan has their weirdly variable electrical standards, (100V, 200V etc.).
 
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I sold my planer (for $150 and sooner than I thought) in anticipation of getting one. There was a Cutech for sale on FB, but it was sold right before I was able to go get it.

QUESTIONS
Are the helical/spiral cutterheads far superior, finish-wise, to the straight knives? Is it really noticeable, or just a little better?
Spiral cutters are perpendicular to the cut and helical ones are angled; anyone notice a significant difference?

The Dewalt 735's come up for sale reguary on FB and CL for $400 and up. If they are so great, why is everyone selling them?

I'm leaning toward the Cutech 40800H. They seem to get good reviews. Anyone have anything negative to say about them?
 

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I would say straight knives leave a nicer finish, but they are loud and if you damage one then you need to change them(both or all 3).

Helical can be damaged and you just rotate the cutter, you also get 4 cutting edges so carbides last a long time.
 
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If you are going with the smaller lunchbox style I would also consider this Machorool spiral cutter, added features over the Cutech
https://www.findbuytool.com/collect...ood-thickness-planer-with-helical-cutter-head
_ locking lever for the cutter head (improves cut quality)
_ little more weight 69 vs 77lbs
_ BUT no dual speed

And if im spending your money, i would opt for the $1000 Machorool 4 post which is similar to the Dewalt 735 but comes w/ helical and warranty.

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My starting point was the Dewalt DW735x, and it worked well. I upgraded the head to a shelix head which makes the sound level much more bearable. It was a really good unit and provided excellent results. Only complain was a little underpowered when doing large widths/heavy cuts


I have upgraded to larger SCM 520 model with a segment head and now can take 2-3mm cuts with no issue. I spent less money for this then the 735 with shelix upgrade.

What is the SCM 520? All I find are $16000 thickness planers when searching that.
 

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What is the SCM 520? All I find are $16000 thickness planers when searching that.
Picture below, correct they are very expensive new. All I was pointing out is that the used market is a great resource.

Yep, Here is a picture of it in my garage, I was mid project, excuse the mess. It has a segmented head that the previous owner installed.

The reason it was cheap was due to snip issue/board not feeding. Issue was incorrectly adjusted pressure bar. I tore it down, install new bearing all around(mostly to have a base line on the machine), adjusted pressure bar, and off to the races.

I paid just over $1k for it, it was $1500CAD, and I believe when I bought it the exchange rate was like .7 or .71.

The 735 I had was the model that came with a stand, extension tables etc(I did include a certificate for a free pair of Costa sunglasses which are at the bottom of the lake...). Then I bought the shelix head which was an additional $400+ at the time.

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What is the SCM 520? All I find are $16000 thickness planers when searching that.
SCM is a manufacturer of industrial woodworking equipment, similar to Martin in Germany, Felder in Austria, or Northfield in the USA.
Sometimes used industrial equipment can be found at decent prices, because users want the most efficient up to date machines, and used equipment is heavy and hard to move, or requires less standard electrical supplies.
 

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I got my 735 with Shelix (and original head) for around $200 because the seller bought the Shelix and couldn't figure out why the pulley kept coming loose, so I took a chance and found that he installed the pulley backwards, so it was rubbing the frame and causing it to loosen.

I have found that it's OK for my purposes, but I've debated about switching the heads back because it seems SLIGHTLY underpowered for the Shelix requiring smaller bites at a time.
 
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If you are going with the smaller lunchbox style I would also consider this Machorool spiral cutter, added features over the Cutech
https://www.findbuytool.com/collect...ood-thickness-planer-with-helical-cutter-head
_ locking lever for the cutter head (improves cut quality)
_ little more weight 69 vs 77lbs
_ BUT no dual speed

And if im spending your money, i would opt for the $1000 Machorool 4 post which is similar to the Dewalt 735 but comes w/ helical and warranty.

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Thanks, I'll look into that one, too. I wonder if all these are made in the same factory?
 
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