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Butters

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I love working with Wago's. I have a bunch of the Ideal versions that were on clearance at HD last year.
Totally agree. Although I suppose I prefer the Wagos (probably because they seem higher quality and are slightly smaller), the Ideal will let you push in solid wire without lifting the lever. I also think the Ideal may have slight advantage with the levers going the opposite way and slightly covered making it less likely the lever can be knocked open. I'm no electrician, but I'm basically done with wire nuts.

The other thing I like about Wagos/Ideal is that if you are working on a hot circuit, you can put the connector on the hot wire once it is exposed and still add the additional wires without re-exposing the hot wire. (I also recently learned that both have an opening for a probe to test for continuity).
 

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I agree with that. I have both Wagos and the Ideals. I do take the extra step of wrapping the levers with electrical tape to make sure they don't open up. I have had a Wago open up ever so slightly on a neutral wire inside a canless can light. I couldn't figure out why the circuit wasn't working. Finally found the culprit. I started wrapping them from then on.
 

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darrowco

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Rechargeable LED flashlight $9.99 w/code R7PGVM7F at checkout

Batteries included, 30-day return and the code worked for $9.99 - what could go wrong? - so I ordered 2 - thanks SweetD!
 

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That is what I call a lightweight kit, but if it will do what you need then it is enough. There are much heavier duty versions if you need to install rivet nuts for automotive fastener use.
 

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picked one up. I've got the HF one that's an angle grinder retrofit but it's a bit bulky/awkward.

you got me. I've been casually using the SAE version I bought from HF for whats got to be 20 years now. Adding the metric one to the list is wroth it at that price

recent learning: put some grease under the knob friction point or it will eventually start to gall and bind up when you try to back it back out of the insert.
I didn't even know HF carried one. I was running low of rivets so was browsing for some and spotted this. The extra $ for the tool on top of rivets struck me as a good deal. It's always been a pain to use bolt/nuts/washers to press these in place w/o a tool.
 

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^ That Wen unit has worked pretty well for me.
Same here. I have the cordless M12 version, but if I need to do any extended grindIng, I grab the corded Wen.

For $28 I decided that having one for the shop at the summer place was an easy decision. Should be here tomorrow.
 
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The WEN bandfile has me intrigued. It lists max RPM as 1800. I’m seeing air powered ones with 15000 max RPM. That’s an order of magnitude difference. Is the WEN actually useful to say clean up welds or smooth a casting?
 
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this got here today. I thought it would just be a retofit pop riveter and it kind of it is but it's a bit more complex and stouter than that. The reverse thread of the pullers (dies?) threw me off for a sec, but made perfect sense once figured out ('no manual'). I got to use it to install a handle on a PC case and am fairly satisfied w/it. I wish there was a way to mount the dies to the riveter like a conventional pop riveter.

The rivets that came w/it were far more than I was expecting and seem higher quality than the ones I had bought off ebay at some other point.
 

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this got here today. I thought it would just be a retofit pop riveter and it kind of it is but it's a bit more complex and stouter than that. The reverse thread of the pullers (dies?) threw me off for a sec, but made perfect sense once figured out ('no manual'). I got to use it to install a handle on a PC case and am fairly satisfied w/it. I wish there was a way to mount the dies to the riveter like a conventional pop riveter.

The rivets that came w/it were far more than I was expecting and seem higher quality than the ones I had bought off ebay at some other point.
Mine got here today. I'm similarly impressed with how sturdy it is. I was not impressed when I dropped ALL 430 rivnuts in the laundry room on my way out to the garage. Oh well, I got to sort them and put them into my other rivnut storage case. I sort of wish there was a manual, but like chingOn, I figured it out.
 

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You're not a true Garage Journal member until you buy a new tool, receive it, and then realize you already have one when you go to put it away.

Or worse, you could swear that you own the tool, and vaguely remember buying it three years before, but doubt yourself after a week of fruitlessly searching for it, and figure "Huh, I don't actually remember using that thing, I guess I talked myself out of buying it?"

Then, as soon as the new one comes in and you open and use it, you find the first one an hour later, still NIB...

Mike
 

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ching0n

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That cheap rivetnut set is NLA (but you can still buy the whole kit at full price).

The description says high quality, but I don't see where it actually provides the materials used. Are the rivnuts stainless, brass, other? Notes for "marine" use in the description, but I'd like to know the materials before trusting that...

Mike
nuts are yellow zinc plated steel. I often don't read the description of Chinese products, they're inaccurate 6x out of 10. If I must, look for identical item w/better description to take a gamble. I did notice these were gone but there's plenty other clones (likely at higher price). You can buy SS rivetnuts separately if you must.
 

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FWIW on the rivet nut install tool -- I bought the SAE version from HF probably 20 years ago now (damn its been that long?). I don't know if they still carry that version

the design is great for light hobby use. I've set a bunch of 1/4-20 steel inserts with it but they aluminum ones are WAY easier, obviously. Suspect the 1/4" steel ones is what started mine eventually galling on the friction surfaces. but I've also probably done 50 1/4" ones then dozens if not hundreds of the smaller ones thru the years.

Almost bought the larger version a couple times, but this style fits in places those bigger ones won't and does the job
 

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FWIW on the rivet nut install tool -- I bought the SAE version from HF probably 20 years ago now (damn its been that long?). I don't know if they still carry that version

the design is great for light hobby use. I've set a bunch of 1/4-20 steel inserts with it but they aluminum ones are WAY easier, obviously. Suspect the 1/4" steel ones is what started mine eventually galling on the friction surfaces. but I've also probably done 50 1/4" ones then dozens if not hundreds of the smaller ones thru the years.

Almost bought the larger version a couple times, but this style fits in places those bigger ones won't and does the job
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Bought my first one from JC Whitney sixty years ago, and broke a mandrel during the second use.

Still have it (along with a few more) but I’ am reluctant to use that one because of the flashbacks.
 

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Mine finally arrived. What is everyone using for belts on these? Have had a lot of issues with belts breaking and tearing, especially when used on metal.
Red Label, Klingspor, 3M Cubitron when the job justifies it, Milwaukee when I'm at Home Depot and need it now.

One thing I learned is that they have a short shelf life (< 2-3 yrs). The adhesive at the joint ages quickly and fails. One rep told me 18-24 months.
 

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Mine finally arrived. What is everyone using for belts on these? Have had a lot of issues with belts breaking and tearing, especially when used on metal.
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TIP! Grab some Scubnutz hand cleaner to add to your order……… You will thank me later!
 
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