I'm a Milwaukee guy and don't know Dewalt tools....so double check before you buy.
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four.cycle
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^ and this is why you almost can't give used Craftsman away today.
PugetDude
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Yep. Brand pollution.
Cruzan80
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Craftsman used to sell kits like this for about the same price, back when they were US made.
pcrov
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Do any of you actually have experience with that Craftsman set? If you're just mad about your tool flipping business maybe take it up on a new thread.
four.cycle
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^ The reviews of the newer Craftsman offerings are in other threads. I'm not "mad" about anything at all.
Ohio Andy
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This particular set, no. I have used similar, but not the same; for example, I have a 1/4" low profile ratchet CMMT99423 (the older "mini-head" model) and the set contains a 1/4" newer design low profile ratchet CMMT86721
The CMMT86721 is the newer "Low Profile" model, featuring a significantly thinner head for better clearance. The CMMT99423 is the "Mini Head" model that I do not have; ironically, mine is not that old, but things change fast.
The older model I have is OK and feels close to the MAC and PROTO. I prefer the USA SK, Snap-On, and maybe the Tekton based on the action alone. If I can ignore the oddly large head on the overdrive ratchets, I strongly prefer the action on those. The handle on the ratchets in the set is OK and looks to be the same as the model that I have, but I prefer the handles on the others (Proto has nice Knurling as one example).
For a toss-around set, I think this is a great set based on similar sets that I have from Craftsman. My largests complaint with this set is that I usually use a set like this to toss in to a vehicle and for that I prefer a different case design. Other than that, seems like a great set for the price... but for throwing into the back of a vehicle I am more likely to just grab my SK
Very complete set for sockets for about $200
or the Pittsburgh mechanics tool set
Pittsburgh No skips shallow from 4mm to 19mm and 5/32" to 15/16". Does have 22mm and 24mm.
Pittsburgh No skips deep from 5mm to 17mm and 3/16" to 3/4". Does have 19mm.
SK no skips shallow from 4mm to 22m and 5/32" to 7/8"
SK no skips deep from 6mm to 22mm and 1/4" to 7/8".
So better coverage with SK but the Pittsburgh has a few wrenches and pliers.
The Craftsman set has a parts sheet here:
The Craftsman SAE sockets look to go from 1/4" to 1" standard and 1/4" to 3/4" deep. Some 6pt and some 12pt so duplicate sizes.
The Craftsman Metric socktets look to go from 4mm to 21mm standard and 5mm to 18mm (with skips) deep.
The craftsman feels a bit random in what it skips and what it duplicates. Most of my Craftsman sets are Overdrive.
I have sets from Tekton as well, but if I want complete coverage, I can get a wider range by grabbing the SK set, and if I want some duplicates so that when I expect to need the same size "twice" because I am holding both ends of a bolt, then those craftsman with duplicates are great (but I might need an extra ratchet) or I just throw in a second set that might not be as complete (so maybe a Tekton or a Craftsman Overdrive set.... )
The biggest thing from my perspective is mostly what other tools will I need that might not be in the set or what duplicates will I need. It is really annoying when I show up and I need two 3/8" sockets (maybe if I have shallow and deep I am fine, but then I need a second ratchet). When it really matters, I like how well the Craftsman Overdrive handles stuck fasteners. If I know I just need smaller sockets, I just grab my snap-on set and maybe an extra ratchet.
But for what it is, the Craftsman sets seem to perform pretty well for the price.
Sorry, long winded.
SweetD
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To get this thread tracking back on actual deals, here's a good one for those in need of engine fogging oil. $2 for a can of Sta-Bil, 67% discount:
Dang. On it.
four.cycle
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For a few more bucks, you can have a four-piece set.
Who else ordered "Speedwox" pliers a few weeks back? I got skinny needle-nose and tiny hose-grip pliers.
Other than the online reviews on Amazon, we have no hands-on feedback on this product line.
Who else ordered "Speedwox" pliers a few weeks back? I got skinny needle-nose and tiny hose-grip pliers.
Other than the online reviews on Amazon, we have no hands-on feedback on this product line.
I checked the coupon on the single and then when I went to the set it subtracted the coupon so four-piece set was about $12 shipped.
SPEEDWOX tools are manufactured by Changzhou Guangmeng Tools & Hardware Co., Ltd.. Founded in 1958, the company is a specialized manufacturer based in China with over 60 years of OEM experience, producing a wide range of pliers, shears, and hand tools, with products available on platforms like Amazon
Key details about the manufacturer include:
https://trademarks.justia.com/872/80/speedwox-87280463.html
Key details about the manufacturer include:
- Manufacturer Name: Changzhou Guangmeng Tools & Hardware Co., Ltd..
- Location: China.
- Specialization: Specialized in pliers, shears, and hand tools.
- Experience: Over 60 years of OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) experience.
- Scale: Employs over 800 staff and covers nearly 238,000 square meters.
https://trademarks.justia.com/872/80/speedwox-87280463.html
four.cycle
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^ Let us know how they work out.
I didn't buy any, tombat will have to let us know
four.cycle
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Where did you get that?
Changzhou / Changzhou Guangmeng Tools & Hardware Co. Ltd., No.32 Daoxiang West Road, Wujin Economic Zone, Changzhou, Jiangsu, China / est. 2005 / "Speedwox" hand tools / TM 5527404 Jul 31 2018 First use Nov 1 2016 /
four.cycle
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"AI" has proven itself to be less than useless when it comes to hand tools. Too much misinformation. Too much errata. Not a reliable information source. Worse than "Wikipedia" in respect to accurate information. I have seen no evidence that "AI" is capable of making any positive contribution to the world of vintage tool collecting, or hand tools in general.
There has been some confusion regarding the ownership of a couple Chinese (PRC) manufacturers, the company making "Speedwox" being one of them.
The pliers I received look okay, but I haven't used any of them, and I haven't gotten any feedback from my buddy (who got the other half of that order - you'll note I order stuff in twos.)
While the price points on the products are more than competitive, and the product appears to be well made, we do not as of yet have any actual on-the-ground, hands-on feedback (other than what one can find on Amazon, the credibility of which is more than questionable.)
The same applies to the "Dura Tech" product line: we have seen product, had our hands on it, and passed it on to others, but thus far we really don't have any real-world feedback from actual users.
Considering the recurrent (and sometimes heated) discussions regarding "snap ring pliers", bringing an unknown manufacturer into the mix is most likely going to be met with skepticism, derision, and outright hostility.
When you're talking $19 for a set of four Chinese-made snap-ring pliers vs. north of $100 for a set of LANG snap-ring pliers (the de facto industry standard), you're looking at a tough sell to the guys who use these things every day.
Maybe we can find a guy working in a transmission shop to try out a set and give us some feedback. Otherwise this is "pin the tail on the donkey" stuff.
There has been some confusion regarding the ownership of a couple Chinese (PRC) manufacturers, the company making "Speedwox" being one of them.
The pliers I received look okay, but I haven't used any of them, and I haven't gotten any feedback from my buddy (who got the other half of that order - you'll note I order stuff in twos.)
While the price points on the products are more than competitive, and the product appears to be well made, we do not as of yet have any actual on-the-ground, hands-on feedback (other than what one can find on Amazon, the credibility of which is more than questionable.)
The same applies to the "Dura Tech" product line: we have seen product, had our hands on it, and passed it on to others, but thus far we really don't have any real-world feedback from actual users.
Considering the recurrent (and sometimes heated) discussions regarding "snap ring pliers", bringing an unknown manufacturer into the mix is most likely going to be met with skepticism, derision, and outright hostility.
When you're talking $19 for a set of four Chinese-made snap-ring pliers vs. north of $100 for a set of LANG snap-ring pliers (the de facto industry standard), you're looking at a tough sell to the guys who use these things every day.
Maybe we can find a guy working in a transmission shop to try out a set and give us some feedback. Otherwise this is "pin the tail on the donkey" stuff.
four.cycle
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Okay. The folks at Snap-on think differently - they are Lang's biggest customer.
"Considering the recurrent (and sometimes heated) discussions regarding "snap ring pliers", bringing an unknown manufacturer into the mix is most likely going to be met with skepticism, derision, and outright hostility."
Who knew discussing cheap snap ring/circlip pliers or who makes them was such a contentious topic
Who knew discussing cheap snap ring/circlip pliers or who makes them was such a contentious topic
Chuckster in NJ
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Hey, it’s the Garage Journal……….. Did you expect anything less?Who knew discussing cheap snap ring/circlip pliers or who makes them was such a contentious topic
nicks78camaro
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Lang is on my **** list, I would spend $19 before buying Lang...
Show us on the doll where Lang hurt you
Ohio Andy
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I almost choked when I read that (I was eating pie)Show us on the doll where Lang hurt you
My wife in the other room asked if I was ok.
Chuckster in NJ
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Show us on the doll where Lang hurt you
Ohio Andy
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Knipex is not my favorite company for some things, but they are my go-to for snap ring. Pliers.. they're not the only ones I use but all else being equal. I will grab these."Considering the recurrent (and sometimes heated) discussions regarding "snap ring pliers", bringing an unknown manufacturer into the mix is most likely going to be met with skepticism, derision, and outright hostility."
Who knew discussing cheap snap ring/circlip pliers or who makes them was such a contentious topic
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IndyGarage
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I have that set - it's awesome...Knipex is not my favorite company for some things, but they are my go-to for snap ring. Pliers.. they're not the only ones I use but all else being equal. I will grab these.
I have those Knipex snap-ring pliers and they are my favorite in my hand and to look at. But I find in some real world applications they don't work for me because the abrupt huge step/transition where the hardened pin is pressed into the forged steel. It just picks up big time diameter too close to the tip, and I cant get at some of the snap rings I deal with daily.
I have a couple of the less desirable universal snap-ring pliers where you swap the tips. They are not as "nice" but they dominate in reach because their interchangeable tips have like 1/2" - 3/4" of reach before they gain a ton of girth.
I have a couple of the less desirable universal snap-ring pliers where you swap the tips. They are not as "nice" but they dominate in reach because their interchangeable tips have like 1/2" - 3/4" of reach before they gain a ton of girth.
Knipex is not my favorite company for some things, but they are my go-to for snap ring. Pliers.. they're not the only ones I use but all else being equal. I will grab these.
Since we're sharing...
Ohio Andy
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And that would be my other set (channel lock). With a replaceable tips. Well okay I do have one other and I don't even know the brand on that that I've used a time or two.
But I'm not often dealing with snap rings but it seems like when I do I do a lot of them and then I don't do them again.
four.cycle
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You must have acquired those Hazet models a long time ago, because current selling prices are far above your numbers there.
four.cycle
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yeah no kiddin'.... one of those shows a price of about $90 bucks!
They are 28-38 USD on Amazon.DE at the moment. 3 in cart comes to $26 shipping plus $17 tariffs, total 140 shipped said and done, average $46/47 each.
A far cry from $10 a piece, but much better than 70-90 each in the USA.
When I first got into Knipex a couple years ago, a buddy and I went in together on a big load on Knipex from Amazon.DE and saved a fortune. Some of the stuff is just absurdly... normal priced, when you are buying it without the middleman of whoever is importing it. Which is often just a whole US based division of the company that needs to mark it all up again. Hazet, Gedore, and other german brands.. lots of it is half the US price on there.
A far cry from $10 a piece, but much better than 70-90 each in the USA.
When I first got into Knipex a couple years ago, a buddy and I went in together on a big load on Knipex from Amazon.DE and saved a fortune. Some of the stuff is just absurdly... normal priced, when you are buying it without the middleman of whoever is importing it. Which is often just a whole US based division of the company that needs to mark it all up again. Hazet, Gedore, and other german brands.. lots of it is half the US price on there.
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