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I hate it. FatMaxes and PowerLocks are my favorite. I will be adding several to my hoard. I don’t plan on running out in this life. I know I’m being picky but I can tell a quality difference between a USA made FatMax and a Thailand made FatMax.
 

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I’m throwing a brown ******** flag on the play. I ain’t never seen a Stanley double sided tape in person ever. Not in a store, supply, shop or jobsite. They can’t tell me their furrin’ made double sided tape is more popular. Not in the US anyway.
 

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Double sided as in different measurements on each edge - 25 foot fatmax blade, Metric on one, US on the other. Had to have one for a machine shop and chassis set up class I took, it was a stanley, and I still use it. Had no idea it was made in Taiwan, tho... but I still have it and use the hell out of it.

Sounds more like a case of sourcing to a cheaper product, and then creating a PR line to shut down the New Haven line to put a few bucks in the CEO's and "shareholders" pockets.

I just wonder if we will EVER see a return to American manufacturing, or if it will go down the drain. It's not different here - watching plants downsize to save money until they can legally disband them (the regs to do so here are a lot stricter) so I don't hold out much hope...
 

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I suspect the company’s factory demise is basedon most everything else that was ever built in America “built to last”

They were counting on market growth to sustain the business, whichis not there, at least domestically. Hey, I’ve had most of my Stanley tape measures for decades.

Sure, there’s growth globally hence the metric tape markings, but there is also plenty of global competition that’s feeding that market as well as whatever demand there is left in this country

No one should be shocked
 

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I for one absolutely hate the fat max. I have 2 of them and hate them both. Mine have these extra ends that stick up and out that clip on the real end. It’s a useful feature on my other tapes (mostly Komelon). But i guess it’s removable on the model I bought, which means it falls off at inopportune times.

Mine have no back mark, which is actually a pretty big pain. Reason: sometimes I need the tape upside up for stick out reasons or end reasons, but I’m measuring from underneath.

Retract is weird, and complicated. You can lock it out and then push the button to retract, or you can make it behave like a normal tape. Trouble is, you hit that button that changes that, so I fight to retract almost every time.

Last, it’s like carrying a brick around on your belt. The form factor is just too big and heavy and clumsy. I have other 25’ tapes and they aren’t like this.

The one reason I own 2 of these junk tapes is stick out. It’s the only thing the fat max is good for.

Otherwise both Komelon and Tajima are better tapes. I also love the old chrome Stanley tapes, but not for carpentry.

Stanleys fat max is a fat piece of junk in my opinion.
 

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I suspect the company’s factory demise is basedon most everything else that was ever built in America “built to last”

They were counting on market growth to sustain the business, whichis not there, at least domestically. Hey, I’ve had most of my Stanley tape measures for decades.

Sure, there’s growth globally hence the metric tape markings, but there is also plenty of global competition that’s feeding that market as well as whatever demand there is left in this country

No one should be shocked
I’m not shocked at al. I’m more surprised that we’re able to keep anything in this country given the bleak economic picture. I still wonder what’s going to happen to Starrett. Will SnapOn buy them?
 

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I for one absolutely hate the fat max. I have 2 of them and hate them both. Mine have these extra ends that stick up and out that clip on the real end. It’s a useful feature on my other tapes (mostly Komelon). But i guess it’s removable on the model I bought, which means it falls off at inopportune times.

Mine have no back mark, which is actually a pretty big pain. Reason: sometimes I need the tape upside up for stick out reasons or end reasons, but I’m measuring from underneath.

Retract is weird, and complicated. You can lock it out and then push the button to retract, or you can make it behave like a normal tape. Trouble is, you hit that button that changes that, so I fight to retract almost every time.

Last, it’s like carrying a brick around on your belt. The form factor is just too big and heavy and clumsy. I have other 25’ tapes and they aren’t like this.

The one reason I own 2 of these junk tapes is stick out. It’s the only thing the fat max is good for.

Otherwise both Komelon and Tajima are better tapes. I also love the old chrome Stanley tapes, but not for carpentry.

Stanleys fat max is a fat piece of junk in my opinion.
The 35’ model is terrible. 25’ not to bad. Looks like someone is trying to get the short term SBD share price up.
 

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I’m not shocked at al. I’m more surprised that we’re able to keep anything in this country given the bleak economic picture. I still wonder what’s going to happen to Starrett. Will SnapOn buy them?
They will slap their names onto imported products, just like most everybody else? :dunno:

There was some discussions about them in the past here I think to some extent they already do
 

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Maybe Milwaukee will start making tapes in America and show em how it's done!

Stab me in the Back n Decker can go to hell!
 

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I’m not shocked at al. I’m more surprised that we’re able to keep anything in this country given the bleak economic picture.

I suspect the company’s factory demise is basedon most everything else that was ever built in America “built to last”

They were counting on market growth to sustain the business, whichis not there, at least domestically. Hey, I’ve had most of my Stanley tape measures for decades.

Sure, there’s growth globally hence the metric tape markings, but there is also plenty of global competition that’s feeding that market as well as whatever demand there is left in this country

No one should be shocked



So where are the Unions at? Why aren't they protecting American jobs by requiring hand tools used on the job site be manufactured domestically? There needs to be a better culture of supporting fellow Americans. The job you save might be your own...
 

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So where are the Unions at? Why aren't they protecting American jobs by requiring hand tools used on the job site be manufactured domestically? There needs to be a better culture of supporting fellow Americans. The job you save might be your own...
Unions are free to go on strike. That is one reason factories close and jobs go overseas.
 

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I'm not talking about a walk out against a company, i'm talking about members buying domestic tools.
This restoring thing turned out to be mostly BS.
When it comes to top of the line tools pickings are slim. Estwing makes a great product, so does snap on (people criticizing the price). What else is there? If you’re looking for real high-end finish, carpentry tools like Isel and things you can still find them made here. by Lie Nielsen or Veritas (Canada, but still Borth America). Starrett has a lot of products made here, but it remains to be seen if that company will survive PE. Most everything else has been gone for a long, long time.
 

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This restoring thing turned out to be mostly BS.
When it comes to top of the line tools pickings are slim. Estwing makes a great product, so does snap on (people criticizing the price). What else is there? If you’re looking for real high-end finish, carpentry tools like Isel and things you can still find them made here. by Lie Nielsen or Veritas (Canada, but still Borth America). Starrett has a lot of products made here, but it remains to be seen if that company will survive PE. Most everything else has been gone for a long, long time.

I hear ya, it was bs, Bait and Switch. SBD lost me as a customer over that.


I like Starrett, I had a lot of Starrett tooling. Their micrometers are awesome, precision levels are second to none, stainless steel rules... Rule! I hope they are able to keep manufacturing alive here in America. I understand some of their plant is OLD, but they also have a facility across the street which is modern (and a cool tunnel under the road connecting the two).

Culture in our country is to buy the most inexpensive items (and usually end up bitching about it). I do my best to buy domestic products (even more so if the company family owned and/or local). This country cannot survive being customer service alone ( We aren't great at customer service... ).
 

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So where are the Unions at? Why aren't they protecting American jobs by requiring hand tools used on the job site be manufactured domestically? There needs to be a better culture of supporting fellow Americans. The job you save might be your own...
I don't think they really give a ****. I'm not union but do work along side of them at times as we are different disciplines of electricians.

The older guys have American made Klein stuff and that is still readily available. The apprentices and younger guys bags are filled with foreign made tools and they really don't seem to care. Electrical tools are some of the easiest to find an American made option.

Common people care even less.
 
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The older guys have American made Klein stuff and that is still readily available. The apprentices and younger guys bags are filled with foreign made tools and they really don't seem to care. Electrical tools are some of the easiest to find an American made option.

Common people care even less.


That's exactly what i'm talking about. The older guys got an earfull when they were the FNG about buying American tools. If you had foreign produced (anything really) you attracted attention. Those guys did not pass along that sentiment and now we are where we are... a comsumer society that only cares about buying inexpensive things.

The unions have moral skin in this game and should be driving the domestic manufacturing support culture HARD! They have more influence and market share than common people. It's a damn shame to see our manufacturing capabilities starve, it's infurating to see American companies selling out those who work in domestic factories in favor of inexpensive foreign labor to increase profit margins!

Family owned businesses don't have to bend to share holders demands (Endless stream of increasing profits). I would choose to support a family run business over a large corporation.

Then you have brands (MATCO, VIM, Cornwell) where they don't have manufacturing capabilities but contract out their designs to whatever factory can meet the spec. That's great if they choose a factory that aligns with our interests, but what happens when they switch sources? You are getting the "same" product, but maybe it's now from a foreign factory that does it at less cost? Does the price of the product reflect the new savings? Would you pay $100 for a ratchet if you knew the manufacturer was also producing the same product for another brand which sells for $50?


I'm not saying all foreign made products are junk, or not worth buying. I'm just saying we as Americans need to do a better job of taking care of EACHOTHER! Be mindful of who you support.
 

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So where are the Unions at? Why aren't they protecting American jobs by requiring hand tools used on the job site be manufactured domestically? There needs to be a better culture of supporting fellow Americans. The job you save might be your own...
The answer is they are gone

At least, in the manufacturing sector unions are a little more than a “toothless lion”

Besides, unions only thrive with solidarity something it was almost completely absent in today now that we become a nation of tribes
 

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That's exactly what i'm talking about. The older guys got an earfull when they were the FNG about buying American tools. If you had foreign produced (anything really) you attracted attention. Those guys did not pass along that sentiment and now we are where we are... a comsumer society that only cares about buying inexpensive things.

The unions have moral skin in this game and should be driving the domestic manufacturing support culture HARD! They have more influence and market share than common people. It's a damn shame to see our manufacturing capabilities starve, it's infurating to see American companies selling out those who work in domestic factories in favor of inexpensive foreign labor to increase profit margins!

Family owned businesses don't have to bend to share holders demands (Endless stream of increasing profits). I would choose to support a family run business over a large corporation.

Then you have brands (MATCO, VIM, Cornwell) where they don't have manufacturing capabilities but contract out their designs to whatever factory can meet the spec. That's great if they choose a factory that aligns with our interests, but what happens when they switch sources? You are getting the "same" product, but maybe it's now from a foreign factory that does it at less cost? Does the price of the product reflect the new savings? Would you pay $100 for a ratchet if you knew the manufacturer was also producing the same product for another brand which sells for $50?


I'm not saying all foreign made products are junk, or not worth buying. I'm just saying we as Americans need to do a better job of taking care of EACHOTHER! Be mindful of who you support.

There's no cure to it. You can buy the North American tool all you want to but when either the company greed sets in or the need to move to be competitive there's no stopping it.
If anything the companies should have ad campaigns to make it well known where their products are made and make sure its clear on the packaging and readily available and unless it's not insanely priced or a junk product it should sell.
 

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I have a Powerlock 12' with both standard and metric markings, which was only available from Thailand. Compared to my other Stanleys the quality is not as good in that some kind of clear coat is peeling off the tape.
 

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Maybe Milwaukee will start making tapes in America and show em how it's done!

So where are the Unions at? Why aren't they protecting American jobs by requiring hand tools used on the job site be manufactured domestically? There needs to be a better culture of supporting fellow Americans. The job you save might be your own...

I'm not talking about a walk out against a company, i'm talking about members buying domestic tools.

That's exactly what i'm talking about. The older guys got an earfull when they were the FNG about buying American tools. If you had foreign produced (anything really) you attracted attention.
Do you know who owns the Milwaukee Tool brand and what country they’re headquartered in?
 

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Do you know who owns the Milwaukee Tool brand and what country they’re headquartered in?

I think that's part of the irony. You have a Chinese company (TTI) investing in American manufacturing, yet an American company doing its best to ship stuff off overseas. I'd also put Klein as being "gulty as charged" for this as well.

Heck, even Wiha has a couple things that are American-made.
 

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Weird I thought USA jobs were supposed to be coming back? Bummer
Maybe the demand for tape measures using imperial measurements has fallen due to decreased demand due to lack of new construction and remodeling?
 

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That's exactly what i'm talking about. The older guys got an earfull when they were the FNG about buying American tools. If you had foreign produced (anything really) you attracted attention. Those guys did not pass along that sentiment and now we are where we are... a comsumer society that only cares about buying inexpensive things.

The unions have moral skin in this game and should be driving the domestic manufacturing support culture HARD! They have more influence and market share than common people. It's a damn shame to see our manufacturing capabilities starve, it's infurating to see American companies selling out those who work in domestic factories in favor of inexpensive foreign labor to increase profit margins!

Family owned businesses don't have to bend to share holders demands (Endless stream of increasing profits). I would choose to support a family run business over a large corporation.

Then you have brands (MATCO, VIM, Cornwell) where they don't have manufacturing capabilities but contract out their designs to whatever factory can meet the spec. That's great if they choose a factory that aligns with our interests, but what happens when they switch sources? You are getting the "same" product, but maybe it's now from a foreign factory that does it at less cost? Does the price of the product reflect the new savings? Would you pay $100 for a ratchet if you knew the manufacturer was also producing the same product for another brand which sells for $50?


I'm not saying all foreign made products are junk, or not worth buying. I'm just saying we as Americans need to do a better job of taking care of EACHOTHER! Be mindful of who you support.
Plenty of the readily available USA made tools used to have slippy fit and finishing.
If you are just starting out, the sloppy fit and finish just looks bad, and hives you a poor judgment on “Made in America” quality.
Also, if you are just starting out, you likely don’t have the extra tools or skills to fix done of the issues.
A number of foreign tools tended to focus on finish, and ergonomics, which helped sell the brands.
German screwdrivers tended to have CNC machined tips, possibly made to a newer pattern, that worked better on certain screws like Phillips.
German and European pliers actually list cutting capacity for wire cutters in their catalogs, where US companies would just list some US standard that didn’t contain specifics, that 99.9% of users would have no clue off, leaving the customer to guess whether the tools were being used properly, with the purchase store easily saying “sorry, you used the tool wrong”, if the cutting edges chipped and you tried to warrantee the tool.
The better USA made tools were also not something you could necessarily just buy at a local hardware store, although with certain exceptions.
It has also been a while since I’ve been in an “industrial” hardware store that actually has tool displays, like the old tool boards, who can then pull the bulk boxed or packed tool out of a drawer or cupboard for the purchaser.
Crescent pliers judging from older catalogs might have used induction hardened cutting jaws, but I don’t think they bothered mentioning that back in the 1990s when I started buying tools, whereas the German brands did mention it.
Even currently produced US tools aren’t easy to find, or find prices on in some cases.
Morgan still manufactures vises, and still has swivel jaw vises in their catalog, and the older Toles pattern vises, and some other items, but good luck finding prices on these even with the internet.
 

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I think that's part of the irony. You have a Chinese company (TTI) investing in American manufacturing, yet an American company doing its best to ship stuff off overseas. I'd also put Klein as being "gulty as charged" for this as well.

Heck, even Wiha has a couple things that are American-made.
SBD also has USA manufacturing, but not tape measures now.
 
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I hate it. FatMaxes and PowerLocks are my favorite. I will be adding several to my hoard. I don’t plan on running out in this life. I know I’m being picky but I can tell a quality difference between a USA made FatMax and a Thailand made FatMax.
Our crew used them hard five days a week for over a decade. It wasn’t uncommon for me to go through a tape a month. We tried other brands but nothing outlasted the Fatmax.
The first noticeable decline in quality I picked up on was when they reduced the blade armor from six inches to around three. And it’s just gradually went downhill from there.
And yeah, the double sided thing sounds like something a bean counter desk jockey came up with. I’m not buying that story.
 
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I think that's part of the irony. You have a Chinese company (TTI) investing in American manufacturing, yet an American company doing its best to ship stuff off overseas. I'd also put Klein as being "gulty as charged" for this as well.

Heck, even Wiha has a couple things that are American-made.
Stanley was at one point going to move their headquarters “overseas” to save on taxes, but they got do much criticism for even considering the idea, that they did not.
Who knows, maybe if they had managed to save that $30million annually, (no clue what it would be nowadays given inflation and how much taxes seem to rise), going back more than two decades, they might have kept more manufacturing in the USA.
Or maybe not.
 

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Plenty of the readily available USA made tools used to have slippy fit and finishing.
If you are just starting out, the sloppy fit and finish just looks bad, and hives you a poor judgment on “Made in America” quality.
Also, if you are just starting out, you likely don’t have the extra tools or skills to fix done of the issues.
A number of foreign tools tended to focus on finish, and ergonomics, which helped sell the brands.
German screwdrivers tended to have CNC machined tips, possibly made to a newer pattern, that worked better on certain screws like Phillips.
German and European pliers actually list cutting capacity for wire cutters in their catalogs, where US companies would just list some US standard that didn’t contain specifics, that 99.9% of users would have no clue off, leaving the customer to guess whether the tools were being used properly, with the purchase store easily saying “sorry, you used the tool wrong”, if the cutting edges chipped and you tried to warrantee the tool.
The better USA made tools were also not something you could necessarily just buy at a local hardware store, although with certain exceptions.
It has also been a while since I’ve been in an “industrial” hardware store that actually has tool displays, like the old tool boards, who can then pull the bulk boxed or packed tool out of a drawer or cupboard for the purchaser.
Crescent pliers judging from older catalogs might have used induction hardened cutting jaws, but I don’t think they bothered mentioning that back in the 1990s when I started buying tools, whereas the German brands did mention it.
Even currently produced US tools aren’t easy to find, or find prices on in some cases.
Morgan still manufactures vises, and still has swivel jaw vises in their catalog, and the older Toles pattern vises, and some other items, but good luck finding prices on these even with the internet.
These are all fair points. Topics like these are a minefield, for many reasons, not the least of which because they're politically intertwined. Without getting too political, do people care that the vast majority of their purchases go to enrich an authoritairan regime overseas? No, they don't, they wany everything as cheap as possible. In many cases, you can't blame them.

On the other hand (and this is typically my vantage point), country of origin isn't so much the problem as much as just having the ability to source quality, durable goods. That's getting harder, everywhere. Nothing is safe from the deterioration in global manufacturing quality, despite living it n a time when it has never been easier to manufacture something to any given standard you want. You'd expect the metrology sector wouldn't be plagued with these problems, but even that is:

- Mitutoyo has dropped in quality, replacing some metal caliper parts with plastic.

- Mahr is still German made and its micrometers and calipers feel chintzy.

- Brown & Sharpe/TESA/Hexagon Metrology was sold to the same Chinese company that owns Shop Vac, SK, and the "Millers Falls" brand name.

- Starrett = ...? Remains to be seen. They're still manufacturing many tools in Athol, but they're going to have to sell to a company like SnapOn to keep it afloat post-PE.
 

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SBD also has USA manufacturing, but not tape measures now.
What hasn't SBD ruined? They bought Delta, then ruined them. Then destroyed Porter Cable - didn't even keep their router designs and merge them into DeWalt. Over the last six months, construction of DeWalt tools has gotten a little light. Oh, let's not forget the "Made in USA" ratchets that featured overpriced Taiwanese internals. Shouldn't be long before they ruin Proto.
 
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What hasn't SBD ruined? They bought Delta, then ruined them. Then destroyed Porter Cable - didn't even keep their router designs and merge them into DeWalt. Over the last six months, construction of DeWalt tools has gotten a little light. Oh, let's not forget the "Made in USA" ratchets that featured overpriced Taiwanese internals. Shouldn't be long before theh ruin Proto.

It's kind of already started. One of the worst adjustable wrenches I have is my modern Taiwan J706--ordered from my local mine supply as most of their Proto stuff is old-stock--but they must move a lot of 6" models . The mine supply me still has a few larger sizes that are US-made and old-stock. I'll probably get one of each. Yeah, I get it, Western Forge closed and they were the biggest volume producer of USA-made Crescent wrenches at the time. But, couldn't they have just Irega-sourced them like most do these days?

Meanwhile, my P&C 708 is one of the nicest I have. Coincidentally my (also Taiwan) Urrea 708 is better than the Proto 706.
 
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It's kind of already started. One of the worst adjustable wrenches I have is my modern Taiwan J706--ordered from my local mine supply as most of their Proto stuff is old-stock--but they must move a lot of 6" models . The mine supply me still has a few larger sizes that are US-made and old-stock. I'll probably get one of each. Yeah, I get it, Western Forge closed and they were the biggest volume producer of USA-made Crescent wrenches at the time. But, couldn't they have just Irega-sourced them like most do these days?

Meanwhile, my P&C 708 is one of the nicest I have. Coincidentally my (also Taiwan) Urrea 708 is better than the Proto 706.
I'm not surprised. Another point that often goes unnoticed in these discussions is that other governments actively subsidize their industries while we have a national competition to see who can pick the bones first.
 

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just having the ability to source quality, durable goods
I feel this takes way more effort than it should.

There aren't many brands left you can just buy from in confidence. Always need to be on your guard for something or the other.
  1. Quiet "value engineering" changes
  2. New "improved version" which is actually a totally different product from a different OEM
  3. Having some misleadingly named value oriented sub brand, which retailers often omit
  4. Not having accessories or spare parts available, instead just sell the big ticket items
  5. Padding out the product line with poor quality generic tools that you can find on Amazon with 3-star reviews for 1/3rd of the price.
  6. Ambiguous COO markings.
That's if you can find the damn things to begin with. It's so super easy to find adequate quality stuff at cheap prices. If you want something good, you have to be searching for it, getting it ordered in, or online.
 
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