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Rigging for lifting pallets and other options for lifting stuff to 2nd floor?

Jeff F

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Moving into a new (to me, built in 1890) barn that will be my garage/shop. It is 2 levels, and I'm looking for creative options for how to move heavier items up to the 2nd floor. I'd think max load would be less than 1000lbs for something like a fully dressed engine and I'm assuming that I would use a pallet or similar for moving items that aren't easily lifted directly. 2nd level is about 9' off the floor. There are a lot of possibilities and looking for some input and additional ideas.

1. It already has this boom type device that rotates. The arm is an I-beam so I should be able to get a trolley lift arrangement for it. The question is what does the rigging look like that I would use to lift a pallet? I'm imagining chains at each corner with some type of spreaders to make the chains go straight up from the pallet and not interfere with the cargo. Is there some sort of standard basket or platform for doing this that isn't an expensive industrial piece? I've found a few types of devices for doing this, but not familiar with all the options. Height of the contraption is a factor, since the boom is limited height so I can't have really long chains and still make it high enough.
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1a. I'd also consider a gantry to replace the boom. That would be useful for lifting engines out of cars and have more flexible positioning. Would need the same kind of rigging as #1.

2. I expect that I will end up getting a small tractor for various jobs. I could potentially get one with a loader/fork attachments. I'm having trouble figuring out what size tractor I would need to do this, both for weight and height. This has the advantage of being a good multi-use tool, but I might need to get into something way larger than I would otherwise need to have this capability.

3. There seem to be all sorts of manual lifts and walk-behind forklifts. All look like big, clunky, expensive contraptions for anything sturdy and not requiring manually pumping a cylinder 53,000 times to lift to that height.

4. I could install a more permanent lift/elevator/dumbwaiter type of thing somewhere. Not as convenient for say snatching an engine out of the back of a truck. I haven't found anything suitable. Doesn't seem like a good option for a number of reasons, just throwing it out there.

Any input or additional ideas are appreciated!
 
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A simple pallet jack works really well for moving stuff around. Powered if you want to spend the monry, but considering manual ones do a lot of work in industrial settings, I think it would be just fine for you.

As for hoisting a pallet:
 

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Seems to me it would be pretty easy to weld up some type of basket to set the load in/on but how will you lift it? Maybe a winch like this?
Mount it like this?
I would make the basket as tall as possible. The taller it is the less it will lean if the load is off center.
Winches should not be used as a hoist. HF also has hoist options that are better suited
 

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I would check the rating of that jib before I hung 1,000lbs from the end.

Google pallet sling, pretty easy to throw something together is you are not using it all the time, and you also have to store it.
 

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I would not trust that 'hoist' to lift more than a couple hundred pound at most. I have three half ton jib cranes and they make that look like a coat rack.

The crane in the pic is a half ton jib, it is on an 8" heavy I beam that goes from floor to a roof beam.

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Exactly, it looks like a rope and pulley. I think the "hook" around the post might be to stand in to pull the rope and swing it around.


Nice, but maybe not for lifting pallets and pulling engines.
 

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Four Lengths of chain, or cable, and two lengths of pipe plus a big ring can make you a bridle that will evenly pick up a pallet from a single hook.
 

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Winches should not be used as a hoist. HF also has hoist options that are better suited
Now you type it, I think I have seen that before. But what is the reason? 2500# (or whatever the rating is) is 2500#. Does a hoist have a greater built-in safety factor since someone could be under it? Kind of like working rating vs breaking into pieces rating?
 

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Now you type it, I think I have seen that before. But what is the reason? 2500# (or whatever the rating is) is 2500#. Does a hoist have a greater built-in safety factor since someone could be under it? Kind of like working rating vs breaking into pieces rating?
Mostly braking
 

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Hoists are all designed to a minimum 5:1 factor of safety. They won't even get close to lifting 5x rating but people do dumb things with them. As mentioned they also have braking elements that will keep them from moving if they aren't supposed to be.

As for the jib that is mounted to the floor - that won't lift much, and before I lifted anything I would be looking really hard at how it is mounted to the floor. The reaction loads at anchor points are not trivial. If the plate is 2' (1' from center post) and the arm is 10' long that will see a 10x (plus whatever the jib arm weighs) on the opposite side of the load. Now you say, but this has bolts all around it so it isn't all concentrated at one spot... which is true to a point but when you actually do the engineering only 1-2 of the fasteners are taking much of the load.
 

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Such a nice, large barn. Build an elevator, a proper one safe for human use. Cost more but you should have it forever. I sort of regret not doing that in my 24x30 carriage house that had a basement, 1st floor, second floor and attic. I have a way to get stuff from the 1st to 2nd floor and plan to improve it with an electric hoist on a rail.
 

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I used one of these to assist in setting high walls from a scaffold while building my shop. I don't know how much weight it was asked to lift(actully just tilt to vertical)but it was almost certainly less than a 1000# load. It is a crude device but did the work, albeit slowly.
I don't think I'd employ it in your situation.
Depending on the strength of that davit I'd maybe use a chain fall on a trolley.
 

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Moving into a new (to me, built in 1890) barn that will be my garage/shop. It is 2 levels, and I'm looking for creative options for how to move heavier items up to the 2nd floor. I'd think max load would be less than 1000lbs for something like a fully dressed engine and I'm assuming that I would use a pallet or similar for moving items that aren't easily lifted directly. 2nd level is about 9' off the floor. There are a lot of possibilities and looking for some input and additional ideas.

1. It already has this boom type device that rotates. The arm is an I-beam so I should be able to get a trolley lift arrangement for it. The question is what does the rigging look like that I would use to lift a pallet? I'm imagining chains at each corner with some type of spreaders to make the chains go straight up from the pallet and not interfere with the cargo. Is there some sort of standard basket or platform for doing this that isn't an expensive industrial piece? I've found a few types of devices for doing this, but not familiar with all the options. Height of the contraption is a factor, since the boom is limited height so I can't have really long chains and still make it high enough.
1777637798313.jpeg

1a. I'd also consider a gantry to replace the boom. That would be useful for lifting engines out of cars and have more flexible positioning. Would need the same kind of rigging as #1.

2. I expect that I will end up getting a small tractor for various jobs. I could potentially get one with a loader/fork attachments. I'm having trouble figuring out what size tractor I would need to do this, both for weight and height. This has the advantage of being a good multi-use tool, but I might need to get into something way larger than I would otherwise need to have this capability.

3. There seem to be all sorts of manual lifts and walk-behind forklifts. All look like big, clunky, expensive contraptions for anything sturdy and not requiring manually pumping a cylinder 53,000 times to lift to that height.

4. I could install a more permanent lift/elevator/dumbwaiter type of thing somewhere. Not as convenient for say snatching an engine out of the back of a truck. I haven't found anything suitable. Doesn't seem like a good option for a number of reasons, just throwing it out there.

Any input or additional ideas are appreciated!
Look at how the trucks that deliver drywall to residential homes pallet forks are designed. I would not have a problem making one similar for my own use. The jib you have I'm not sure about tho.
 
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I had a friend (RIP) who had a restoration shop in an old dairy barn where the 2nd floor was originally a hay loft. He made racks on wheels to store parts from disassembled cars. He would wheel the racks onto a 4-post lift and lift them up to the 2nd floor until they were needed again. He even had the 1st floor ceiling over the lift move up when the lift went up. That way he didn't have a big hole in the ceiling all the time for heat/ac to escape. I believe he special ordered the 4-post a little taller than normal.
 

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I had a friend (RIP) who had a restoration shop in an old dairy barn where the 2nd floor was originally a hay loft. He made racks on wheels to store parts from disassembled cars. He would wheel the racks onto a 4-post lift and lift them up to the 2nd floor until they were needed again. He even had the 1st floor ceiling over the lift move up when the lift went up. That way he didn't have a big hole in the ceiling all the time for heat/ac to escape. I believe he special ordered the 4-post a little taller than normal.
BRILLIANT!
 

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Mobile gantry crane for the first floor.
Electric walk-behind forklift/stacker to get the pallet to the second floor.
Manual pallet jack for the second floor (make sure the floor will support it)
 

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I acquired a very old grey-market Toyota forklift for lifting things to the deck level at our compound. Despite indoor tires it has been incredibly useful for moving things outside and I only get stuck in gravel every third or fourth time I use it. It's really sweet to have the option to palletize things. I have a fork attachment (welded eyes on a pallet jack) for the rear of the tractor as well but can't lift into the back of a truck. Might look around for one.
 

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I acquired a very old grey-market Toyota forklift for lifting things to the deck level at our compound. Despite indoor tires it has been incredibly useful for moving things outside and I only get stuck in gravel every third or fourth time I use it. It's really sweet to have the option to palletize things. I have a fork attachment (welded eyes on a pallet jack) for the rear of the tractor as well but can't lift into the back of a truck. Might look around for one.
Lets see!!
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Thomas over on the "Restored 1930 Shop" built a elevator in the basement of his new Home and I think his
basement had 10' height, he moved all his heavy wood working there, might look it up.
 

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I have a limited space vertically loft in an attached 2-car garage, the hoist is a HFT 2,000 lbs. device, the jib crane is from Amazon; and the base of the jib crane is attached to a horizontal 1/2" thick steel beam 4" X 8" that is the front beam for the loft floor, the loft is 230 sq. ft.

The jib crane column has tapered roller bearings. The OEM jib crane build just had two steel tubular pieces, no bearings. I added a horizontal steel plate between the jib crane 'foot' and the swiveling square steel stock. I mounted a HFT 2,000 lb hoist to the horizontal steel plate.

It works for my needs.

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The Powermatic 64 cast-iron table saw is 400 lbs, and is probably as-heavy as any one thing I would be putting into the loft. No the table saw is not being stored there, it was just a proof of capacity lift usage.

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The 'shoebox' holding the base of the jib hoist is 1/4" welded steel plate, and is through-bolted to the 1/2" thick 4" X 8" horizontal box beam, which you can see sandwiched between two 2" X 8" wood beams. The shoebox is also through-bolted to the loft 2" X 8" wood joists.
 
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Moving into a new (to me, built in 1890) barn that will be my garage/shop. It is 2 levels, and I'm looking for creative options for how to move heavier items up to the 2nd floor. I'd think max load would be less than 1000lbs for something like a fully dressed engine and I'm assuming that I would use a pallet or similar for moving items that aren't easily lifted directly. 2nd level is about 9' off the floor. There are a lot of possibilities and looking for some input and additional ideas.

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Wow! Is that place as big as it looks in that picture. It looks like you could keep your blimp upstairs as well.

Does the bottom have a finished floor as well?
 

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Moving into a new (to me, built in 1890) barn that will be my garage/shop. It is 2 levels, and I'm looking for creative options for how to move heavier items up to the 2nd floor. I'd think max load would be less than 1000lbs for something like a fully dressed engine and I'm assuming that I would use a pallet or similar for moving items that aren't easily lifted directly. 2nd level is about 9' off the floor. There are a lot of possibilities and looking for some input and additional ideas.

1. It already has this boom type device that rotates. The arm is an I-beam so I should be able to get a trolley lift arrangement for it. The question is what does the rigging look like that I would use to lift a pallet? I'm imagining chains at each corner with some type of spreaders to make the chains go straight up from the pallet and not interfere with the cargo. Is there some sort of standard basket or platform for doing this that isn't an expensive industrial piece? I've found a few types of devices for doing this, but not familiar with all the options. Height of the contraption is a factor, since the boom is limited height so I can't have really long chains and still make it high enough.
1777637798313.jpeg

1a. I'd also consider a gantry to replace the boom. That would be useful for lifting engines out of cars and have more flexible positioning. Would need the same kind of rigging as #1.

2. I expect that I will end up getting a small tractor for various jobs. I could potentially get one with a loader/fork attachments. I'm having trouble figuring out what size tractor I would need to do this, both for weight and height. This has the advantage of being a good multi-use tool, but I might need to get into something way larger than I would otherwise need to have this capability.

3. There seem to be all sorts of manual lifts and walk-behind forklifts. All look like big, clunky, expensive contraptions for anything sturdy and not requiring manually pumping a cylinder 53,000 times to lift to that height.

4. I could install a more permanent lift/elevator/dumbwaiter type of thing somewhere. Not as convenient for say snatching an engine out of the back of a truck. I haven't found anything suitable. Doesn't seem like a good option for a number of reasons, just throwing it out there.

Any input or additional ideas are appreciated!
Cool setup, 1890 barn with a rotating I-beam boom is about as good as it gets for a shop.

For the pallet lifting question — what you're describing is basically a lifting spreader bar setup and they're pretty common. A simple 4-leg chain sling with a master link at the top is really the standard solution. You get four legs dropping down to each corner of the pallet, keeps everything plumb, and the height is pretty compact since you're not stacking a lot of hardware. For under 1000 lbs you don't need anything heavy duty at all.

If you want something even more compact headroom-wise, a flat spreader beam with two drop points instead of four corners can work well depending on what you're lifting.

For the trolley on that I-beam, a manual push trolley with a chain hoist hanging off it is probably all you need for what you're doing. Simple, reliable, no power required.

maxsupplyco.com has chain slings, trolleys, and hoists — decent prices and you can get exactly the capacity you need without overbuying. For 1000 lbs you're looking at pretty affordable gear.

Good luck with the barn, sounds like a great project.
 

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The small fork lifts are cute, but this bad boy is good for 85 tons. May be able to pick up the barn too.
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Many years ago a friend built an elevator for their lake cabin using the hydraulic assembly from an old fork lift. Rebuilt the hydraulic cylinders and pump. Served them well at 20 years that I'm aware of, may still be in use 20 years later.
 

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A friend stores a couple of his old cars up on the second floor of his barn. He has a lift that he runs up and rolls them off. Nice, safe (as long as you load it correctly, but that is the case with any lift mechanism) and effective. How important is the sq ft for such an animal in your space?
 
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