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I have been in the need to replenish my larger shop towels in the shop, and I have been waffling and researching total cost and going over in my head what I like about the current ones I'm using and what I don't like and trying to come up with a one-size fits all approach. I currently use 3 variations of paper towels in my shop and reuse them based on various "stages" of dirtiness, or degree of soiled if you will. :ROFLMAO: I would like to reduce that to only 2 variations of shop towels.

On the column of the 2-post lift located in the center of the shop I have a pull dispenser where I have the Tork center pull "blue" paper towels. These are not heavy duty at all but a big step up from a normal paper towel. These get used as a quick absorber or something I know will be a quick use and then go right into the trash. A friend of mine uses these exclusively in his shop so when he orders them he will usually order quite a lot at a time (sometimes a pallet at a time) and he will let me know and I will go in partially with him for several cases. These come two rolls to a case and are a relatively inexpensive paper towel, but very convenient for quick cleanups.



The next step up in my current arsenal of shop towels is the Wypall X80 red hand towel (5930). These measure roughly 8" x 16" and are a nice red paper towel that is much more fibrous than the Tork but work well for general shop use. And then I have the Wypall X80 Heavy Duty blue shop towels (4104). These measure approx. 12" x 16" and are a nice heavy duty and very much reusable shop towel that also come in a pull box.

I generally have varying degrees of dirtiness in shop towels. I have the clean to very minimally soiled which are used for cleaner work and wiping down tools before they go back into the toolbox. This is also the one I generally have in my pocket in the shop. The next step is moderately soiled which is used for wiping down greasy parts or medium cleanup duties on the workbench. Lastly, the very soiled step. This is one step from the trash, but I can't quite throw them away, yet. This level gets used for wiping up spills and/or larger grease spots on either the workbenches or the floor and then they go straight into the trash. As you can see, I try to get the most out of the shop towels from the time they leave the box until they hit the trash can as I hate to be wasteful of anything.
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Well, upon some research and calculating total costs, I made a decision to go to the large rolls or bulk Wypall shop towels as these seem to offer the best value and by hanging them near the two most used work area, they will also be convenient.
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I was going to build some kind of hanger, but with the use of a coupon plus a $25 rebate that I had, I opted to splurge the first go-round and buy a couple of wall hangers. From here on, just the refill rolls is all that will be needed. They also make a floor stand for these large rolls, but I really didn't want to tie up any additional floor space, although I have heard some reviews that state the floor dispenser is nice to move it right to where you are working. My shop isn't that large, so having them located on the wall in two convenient locations will be more than adequate and one less thing to trip over or have to move around in the shop.
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The Wypall bulk towels come in individually wrapped rolls.
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Wypall 41055 is still the X80 shop towel in a Heavy Duty variety which is a very nice and heavily woven shop towel. These are nearly identical to the blue ones that I have been using in the boxes and will be a bit more convenient and lesser overall cost.
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Now for the price rundown in case anyone is interested. If not, you can skip this portion of today's presentation. ;)

The Wypall X80 (5930) usually come in a package of 5-boxes, each box contains 80 count of roughly 8" x 16" hand towels. These can be purchased at varying prices between $130-$150 for a case of 5 boxes for a total of 400 count. If we use an average of say $140 for a case that equates to $0.35/each.

The Wypall X80 HD Blue (41041) come in a box of approx. 152 count and measure 12" x 16", so approximately 50% wider than the regular X80 hand towel. These can be purchased anywhere around $45-$50 per box. If we use $48 as an average, these run approx. $0.32/sheet.

Then lets look at the Wypall X80 HD Red bulk shop towel that I just purchased. These measure approx. 12" x 14" and come on a roll of 475 count. Thes vary between about $70-$75 per roll, which if we use an average of $73 dollars per roll, equates to approx. $.015/per sheet.

Here are the three for size comparisons. I am nearly out of the Blue X80's and still have almost a full case of the smaller X80 hand towels, but these smaller boxes work well for carrying in the Jeep and coach, so I may just use the last of them solely for that purpose and retire them from normal shop use. I will just stick with the Tork center pull blue towels for quick wipe-up duties and the remainder of the shop rag duties will be carried out by the Wypall X80 HD bulk (41055) shop towels, in varying degrees of dirtiness still.
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One roll is mounted in a void just inboard of my main workbench within easy reach where I do most of my work between the lift and the toolbox right behind the vise.
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It is still 9" off the workbench surface.
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And 18" from the face of a full roll to the center of the bench mounted vise. This should still give me more than enough room to utilize the vise and not interfere with the roll of towels.
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If you've followed along this far and I haven't bored you, stay tuned for the location of the second roll. :bounce:
 
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The other area where I seem to use shop towels the most is in the machining quadrant of the shop. I find myself walking across to the other bench to grab a shop towel or I will take a box over to the workbench next to the lathe so this seemed like the next logical place to hang a roll.

I did have to move my assortment of emery paper to the right slightly to make room, but this places the dispenser in an easy to reach, convenient and comfortable location.
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Thank you for looking.
 
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After hanging the new shop towel dispensers, I thought I would hurry and tackle the grille as I haven't given it a thorough cleaning yet this year.

The grilles were removed, and all of the droppings were vacuumed out of the bottom near the flame diffusers and tubes.
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Then the exterior cleaning commenced. Good old Sheila Shine to the rescue again. This works amazingly well on stainless steel.
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All cleaned up and ready for more use. I do need to purchase a new cover as the sun really takes its toll on it being right in the direct sunlight much of the day on the south west corner of the deck.
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Mike, I have the same practice with levels of soil on my rags/shop towels, basically the same process before the trash.

My son and wife give me a hard time about my levels or degrees of things before I discard. So two thoughts come to mind Marc, either I am more "normal" than they think, OR, you and I are oddities. Hmmm. :unsure:




Oh man, Mike!

I don't need another rabbit hole to go down, but those big rolls look really nice!

I didn't need another rabbit hole either Mike, but when I was getting ready to reorder I decided to look at other options and see what made more sense on paper. This was my conclusion for my shop. I really do like these heavy duty Wypall X80 towels though. I have used the blue ones for quite a few years now and these red bulk ones seem to be nearly identical in weave, feel and durability.
 

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Care to share the part number for the Tork towels? I currently have access to red cloth shop towels but that access is going away shortly and have been using the Costco Scott blue towels that are ok but I am willing to swap those out for something better/cheaper. Thanks.
 
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Care to share the part number for the Tork towels? I currently have access to red cloth shop towels but that access is going away shortly and have been using the Costco Scott blue towels that are ok but I am willing to swap those out for something better/cheaper. Thanks.



Found the part # @rd65 .

I have the older and shorter dispenser which takes the 13244101 towels. These are a shorter and larger OD roll which has 375 sheets each and come 2 rolls to a case. They are a multi-layer paper towel or wipe and measure roughly 11" x 16". A case can usually be purchased for around $70~ish, equating to roughly $0.09/per sheet, so they are a great economical option vs. the heavy duty X80 towels.

The newer version of dispensers accepts the smaller OD rolls but I don't have the part # for those. I think places like Summit Racing even carry them.

I can snap a picture of my dispenser and a close up of the towel/wipe tonight if you like?


Hope that is helpful.
 
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SOO!! I am not... the only one who uses the blue towel to clean a bench top or wipe something down & then let it dry "hanging" over the floor jack handle to be used again later??? and to puget's point I would never re-use said towel to re-wipe my face of sweat while in the garage....

ooohhh!! wait I forget that I am talking to guys that have fancy new fangled A.C. systems in them their garages.... they don't know what sweating in the garage is like! :ROFLMAO:.... carry on... ;) :ROFLMAO:
 

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I thought I was the odd man out doing that with blue Scott towels.

Much like old tshirts make their way into my rag pile, I cut them to size using scissors.

First they are daily wear, then a garage and yard work wear, last stage is garage rags.

Roll that size lasts a long while, think your math be mathing.

I gave up on roll holders a while back, have rolls positioned for easy access, grab and return.

Also attaching a photo, SK arrived earlier today.
 

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Care to share the part number for the Tork towels? I currently have access to red cloth shop towels but that access is going away shortly and have been using the Costco Scott blue towels that are ok but I am willing to swap those out for something better/cheaper. Thanks.


These next pictures are for @rd65 pertaining to the Tork paper towels.


Part # 13244104 which fit the Tork Maxi-Box wall mounted dispenser. I am not sure if they still make the larger "Maxi-Box" size dispenser as mine if 30+ years old. I know they make a smaller roll and dispenser as I know a few people who have them, but not sure about the availability of these larger wall mounted dispensers. A friend of mine got me hooked on these back in the late 90's and I bought 2 dispensers and have used them ever since. He uses them solely in his shop but I have found they don't hold up nearly as well as the Wypall X80's and for tasks such as using brake wash to dampen and wipe sealing surfaces such as heads, intakes or front timing covers, they snag and tear way too easy for my liking. Whereas the Wypall X80's hold up amazingly well for such tasks.
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I had two dispensers in my old shop, but I just have the one centrally located in my shop and gave the other one to my son who has it in his home garage.
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They are fairly easy to load, pull the center cardboard tube and stuff the center down the opening, slide the rubber piece up and lock it into place.
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As you pull the resistance is such that it will usually tear off at the next perforation.
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And leave a tail just long enough to grab for the next wipe.
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Size wise, they are very close the new Wypall X80 HD towels.
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But these Tork wipes are a 4-ply sheet rather than a woven style like the Wypall X80's.
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Probably much more information that you were asking for but hope this answers any questions.
 
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Whitney reservoir is a fantastic little area to camp as well, not sure the couch would go but we drag the fiver up there every few years for some fishing and goofin around with kids

Funny Dave, all these years living this close and I still have never made it to Whitney Reservoir. We didn't even make it close last week before finding a lesser road to explore. Too much traffic on the main road leading up to the reservoir for me. I couldn't believe the people dragging trailers up there, I was shocked. While it was a "good" road in terms of dirt roads, there is no way on God's green earth I would take my RV up that road. And the ones we did pass would probably have to re-screw their rigs back together once they got there.
 

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I know, right? Who the hell are these people? Anyone in their right mind knows these are used in stages. :bounce:
but do you keep/reuse zip ties? I will typically cut them off at the head and throw it in the tool box as I often dont need the full length of a new one. A friend saw me do that and thought I was crazy.
 
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but do you keep/reuse zip ties? I will typically cut them off at the head and throw it in the tool box as I often dont need the full length of a new one. A friend saw me do that and thought I was crazy.

Yep, ya got me there. Now I will admit, when I see one of those with the tree on them, I definitely reuse those, even if it's cutting the existing tie wrap off and just using the locking head with a new zip-tie.
 

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I'm bad with zip-ties.
If I can get a small awl or my pocket knife into the catch, I will release them and reuse.
If I have an excessively long tie I will wrap it 2-3 times then set it. I like this option on wiring looms and such things that if I need to open them up, I can cut under the head, then reinstall just one wrap less than before. I don't always have spare ties at the ready and this solves this issue.
 

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Mike are those disposable funnels in a dispenser on the lift next to the towel holder? I never thought about having throw away funnels around but I like that idea. I have a ton of funnels in all shapes and sizes but have to keep them clean and what not. I like the idea of having a throw away funnel supply for quick things when needed. Guess I never thought about using the paper funnels when I had all the other plastic funnels for some reason but when I saw that I liked it.
 
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Mike are those disposable funnels in a dispenser on the lift next to the towel holder? I never thought about having throw away funnels around but I like that idea. I have a ton of funnels in all shapes and sizes but have to keep them clean and what not. I like the idea of having a throw away funnel supply for quick things when needed. Guess I never thought about using the paper funnels when I had all the other plastic funnels for some reason but when I saw that I liked it.

Yes Scott, those are disposable paper funnels that I have affixed to the paper towel dispenser so they are within easy reach.
 

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Yes Scott, those are disposable paper funnels that I have affixed to the paper towel dispenser so they are within easy reach.
I like it Mike. I don't know why but guess I never considered having any. Used to be the cheap free things gas stations gave out when you needed to add some oil. Guess I thought they were inferior and never even considered having them when I have all the plastic ones. But when I saw yours it clicked that they can be nice for quick jobs where you don't want to dirty and then have to clean a good funnel. Thanks for sharing.
 
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I like it Mike. I don't know why but guess I never considered having any. Used to be the cheap free things gas stations gave out when you needed to add some oil. Guess I thought they were inferior and never even considered having them when I have all the plastic ones. But when I saw yours it clicked that they can be nice for quick jobs where you don't want to dirty and then have to clean a good funnel. Thanks for sharing.

Bingo Scott. For quick oil change jobs as well as for things like filling washer fluid or topping off brake fluid or power steering fluid.
 

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Talk about a new Rabbit Hole! 😂
At least with it being a funnel getting down the hole is a bit easier!
 

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Bingo Scott. For quick oil change jobs as well as for things like filling washer fluid or topping off brake fluid or power steering fluid.
For oil changes I have the lisle jugs with spout that work good and don't usually need a funnel.

I always thought you weren't supposed to top off brake fluid? Thought that as pads were and piston travels more the fluid will lower and when you do brake job and push the piston back in caliper the fluid will rise and could spill out if you have topped off fluid?
 
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For oil changes I have the lisle jugs with spout that work good and don't usually need a funnel.

I always thought you weren't supposed to top off brake fluid? Thought that as pads were and piston travels more the fluid will lower and when you do brake job and push the piston back in caliper the fluid will rise and could spill out if you have topped off fluid?

Talk about rabbit holes.......I've heard it both ways Scott. The way "most" people do brake work, by not topping off the fluid, the theory is that any fluid that displaces the caliper piston chamber as the pads wear, will in fact be pushed back to the reservoir upon pushing the caliper piston back into the bore. If you top off the fluid using that method, you will most definitely overfill the system and upon pushing the caliper piston back into the caliper you will push fluid out of the reservoir.

However, I do not perform brake jobs in that manner. I always crack open a bleeder on the caliper when pushing the piston back into the bore so any fluid in the caliper is pushed out the bleed screw and NOT forced back towards the ABS module. I usually have then suggested a brake fluid flush to the client and will then do a complete system flush.

The reason I like to somewhat top off the reservoir is to add volume to the system. My thinking is that with brake fluid being hygroscopic, the more volume in the system, the less effected the fluid is by any moisture. I may be wrong, but that's the way I look at it and have done it for decades now.
 

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Talk about rabbit holes.......I've heard it both ways Scott. The way "most" people do brake work, by not topping off the fluid, the theory is that any fluid that displaces the caliper piston chamber as the pads wear, will in fact be pushed back to the reservoir upon pushing the caliper piston back into the bore. If you top off the fluid using that method, you will most definitely overfill the system and upon pushing the caliper piston back into the caliper you will push fluid out of the reservoir.

However, I do not perform brake jobs in that manner. I always crack open a bleeder on the caliper when pushing the piston back into the bore so any fluid in the caliper is pushed out the bleed screw and NOT forced back towards the ABS module. I usually have then suggested a brake fluid flush to the client and will then do a complete system flush.

The reason I like to somewhat top off the reservoir is to add volume to the system. My thinking is that with brake fluid being hygroscopic, the more volume in the system, the less effected the fluid is by any moisture. I may be wrong, but that's the way I look at it and have done it for decades now.
That makes sense Mike. And yes, this can be a big rabbit hole. I remember reading threads on here with members stating that every time you open the reservoir cap you are introducing moisture into it. Then members saying that the cap diaphragm has an air hole in it so it doesn't matter. Some heated debates. Clamping off the brake line when you open the bleeder and push the piston back in is also a hot topic.

I've done it both ways in the past. Sometimes I'll try to open the bleeder to see if it's rusted tight or not. Most people think brake fluid flushes are the old wallet flush. I started doing more of them back when honda was recommending them every 2 years back when my mom bought a 2008 civic. I really liked honda's maintenance schedule of drain and fill transmission fluid and coolant and flush brake fluid, simple and easy and seemed to work. Back when most were going to lifetime transmission fluid. Bought a nice vacuum bleeder and really like it but in the last couple years bought a pressure bleeder and big set of adapters and like that most of the time now. That's a whole nother rabbit hole.
 
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That makes sense Mike. And yes, this can be a big rabbit hole. I remember reading threads on here with members stating that every time you open the reservoir cap you are introducing moisture into it. Then members saying that the cap diaphragm has an air hole in it so it doesn't matter. Some heated debates. Clamping off the brake line when you open the bleeder and push the piston back in is also a hot topic.

I've done it both ways in the past. Sometimes I'll try to open the bleeder to see if it's rusted tight or not. Most people think brake fluid flushes are the old wallet flush. I started doing more of them back when honda was recommending them every 2 years back when my mom bought a 2008 civic. I really liked honda's maintenance schedule of drain and fill transmission fluid and coolant and flush brake fluid, simple and easy and seemed to work. Back when most were going to lifetime transmission fluid. Bought a nice vacuum bleeder and really like it but in the last couple years bought a pressure bleeder and big set of adapters and like that most of the time now. That's a whole nother rabbit hole.

I agree Scott, there are several loaded guns you just touched on. I will just say I have been doing it this way for a very long time and feel comfortable doing so. I also don't believe it is a frivolous maintenance service as some think. I have been explaining the benefits to my clients for more than a couple of decades about routine brake fluid flushes and can only count on one hand (and have fingers left over) how many people have actually declined it once explained to them.
 

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I bought a vehicle that came to me with DOT 5 silicone fluid in it. The PO did that because he lives in the Puget Sound area and was concerned about the high ambient moisture. Seemed reasonable, he'd told me ahead of time so it wasn't a surprise. What was a surprise was how much actual water there was in the system! A veritable bath-tub ring of rust in the iron m/c reservoir. And silicone fluid floats on top of water. 4 calipers and one master cylinder later convinced me to never, ever use silicone in anything that isn't specifically a Concours Restoration.

Made my own pressure bleeder after a friend who built a Vans RV-7 showed me how they do it in General Aviation. Push new fluid in from the bleeder. Only one vehicle of 6 has ABS, I won't be using this system on it. Everything else gets the m/c res evacuated and then new fluid pushed in the from the bleeders. I usually evac the reservoir twice.
 
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I bought a vehicle that came to me with DOT 5 silicone fluid in it. The PO did that because he lives in the Puget Sound area and was concerned about the high ambient moisture. Seemed reasonable, he'd told me ahead of time so it wasn't a surprise. What was a surprise was how much actual water there was in the system! A veritable bath-tub ring of rust in the iron m/c reservoir. And silicone fluid floats on top of water. 4 calipers and one master cylinder later convinced me to never, ever use silicone in anything that isn't specifically a Concours Restoration.

Agreed Thom, the only vehicles I used DOT 5 in were street rods with fully detailed chassis'.
 

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I'm going to have to stop reading this thread....Mike has severely dented my wallet, multiple times. Paper towels ordered......waiting on trim removal tool. Im just glad he's not working in our local NAPA store, I'd be filling chapter 11.
I had to stop myself from buying the towels. I need to get some concrete poured first!!!!
 

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I use very few paper/disposable towels. I use terry, and microfibers. When new they start as visor/painted/clean surface cleaning. I launder them, and as they become more stained/soiled they move down the scale. Eventually they get trashed when they are no longer useful for the dirtiest jobs. If you do it this way make sure you run the washer through a cleaning cycle after running the rags or you may find yourself sleeping with the dog.
 

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I bought the wypall x80s and the big roll has lasted over a year and a half. Thats with daily shop use as well so they arent cheap at 70ish dollars a roll but have been well worth it. Theres also tons of towels laying around the shop in varying degrees of used waiting for the next cleaning job to pop up.
 

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Funny Dave, all these years living this close and I still have never made it to Whitney Reservoir. We didn't even make it close last week before finding a lesser road to explore. Too much traffic on the main road leading up to the reservoir for me. I couldn't believe the people dragging trailers up there, I was shocked. While it was a "good" road in terms of dirt roads, there is no way on God's green earth I would take my RV up that road. And the ones we did pass would probably have to re-screw their rigs back together once they got there.
I haven’t been in a bit, wonder if the roads have deteriorated some. I don’t recall it being to off camber going in there, I do recall the tree growth and me not being worried about my old trailer because the outside look like hell anyway. Good to know to pre trip that for a day before I take the trailer up there again
 
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I had to stop myself from buying the towels. I need to get some concrete poured first!!!!


Pffft. Cody, you can't wipe your hands with concrete. :bounce: But it's your choice, but what kind of example would you be setting for the neighborhood walking around with greasy hands? But you'll have your concrete.. :LOL:
 
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