Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT Kwik Fab's Small Shop
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Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.
It’s fine since we don’t know what we’re looking at most of the time eitherIf there's one thing to add for everyone watching, just know I don't know what I'm talking about most of the time
No shop work today, just an early morning to wash the wife's vehicle.
It was absolutely filthy so I like to have her going back to work all nice and clean.
Otherwise nothing else planned for the day other than errands.
And of course remembering what today is, being grateful to those I served that didn't make it back home.
It was absolutely filthy so I like to have her going back to work all nice and clean.
Otherwise nothing else planned for the day other than errands.
And of course remembering what today is, being grateful to those I served that didn't make it back home.
Made another set, this time for my own truck in which I implemented a 20 degree tilt.
These feel really solid so I may keep them on for a year like I mentioned earlier.
Different companies offer them with minor differences which I try to correct such as -
Slider length, where some companies are offering an overall length shorter than the necessary 84 - 86" needed to cover the gap between the wheels
Overhang, where the few companies that do provide a longer length don't reinforce the rear main tube as the general rule is to allow no more than 12" to go unsupported
Additional mounting points outside of the factory holes, because who doesn't want more support
These feel really solid so I may keep them on for a year like I mentioned earlier.
Different companies offer them with minor differences which I try to correct such as -
Slider length, where some companies are offering an overall length shorter than the necessary 84 - 86" needed to cover the gap between the wheels
Overhang, where the few companies that do provide a longer length don't reinforce the rear main tube as the general rule is to allow no more than 12" to go unsupported
Additional mounting points outside of the factory holes, because who doesn't want more support
Looks pretty stout. Went back and looked at your previous posts on the sliders and I'm very impressed with both your design and execution. Don't have a toyota, but your design has given me some ideas to put in my head for my truck. These pics put the reality into the CAD drawings you showed earlier.
I've been eyeballing that titan press brake, but at this point, I'm living with my hf shop press and a press brake I made. I'd also never considered getting a tube bender, but I'm starting to reconsider that position too.
I acquired a crossfire pro about 2 years ago and I'm slowly (very slowly, too slowly) coming up to speed. Sadly, it's purchase drove a lot of (re)organization (cleaning) of my home shop/garage, and as always, life gets in the way, so I've only started using it a couple months ago to cut a few small parts for repairs to my lawn tractor. I look back now at some of the fab work I've done for myself and others and realize how much it easier it could've been. Still working to grow my CAD skills; trying to get to the kindergarten level.
Your thread here, as well as your postings and input on the langmuir forum are appreciated by me and have helped. Thanks!
I've been eyeballing that titan press brake, but at this point, I'm living with my hf shop press and a press brake I made. I'd also never considered getting a tube bender, but I'm starting to reconsider that position too.
I acquired a crossfire pro about 2 years ago and I'm slowly (very slowly, too slowly) coming up to speed. Sadly, it's purchase drove a lot of (re)organization (cleaning) of my home shop/garage, and as always, life gets in the way, so I've only started using it a couple months ago to cut a few small parts for repairs to my lawn tractor. I look back now at some of the fab work I've done for myself and others and realize how much it easier it could've been. Still working to grow my CAD skills; trying to get to the kindergarten level.
Your thread here, as well as your postings and input on the langmuir forum are appreciated by me and have helped. Thanks!
I'm still a complete novice when it comes to the 3D side of things, but if I can imagine it in my head then it makes sense (in an odd way) so you'll see my stuff in 2D 99% of the time
Just hope any of my ramblings here help many others watching! I too would look back on my older stuff and think to myself "damn if only I had a CNC table back then" or "why did I wait so long to buy a brake".
Appreciate the kind words!
Still keeping busy here, but don't want to post the same old stuff as it gets boring.
Last night however, I was toying with implementing some real world results I came up with the day before.
Fusion 360 allows users to input specific figures, with your model coming out basically how it should in real life. Thing is, there are other variables like human error (when measuring ****), placement of material between punch and die for bending, as well as material coming from different batches.
Anyway, this is a piece of scrap I bent up as my 3rd try in trying to bend something with a specific flange length and inside width between two flanges.
Using this data, I worked on this last night for someone I make a lot of parts for. This is just part of it as there's more to be done to the remaining panels.
Obligatory action shot this morning.
Onto the press brake; first time I'm bending 3 flanges on a single plane.
Freaking damn near perfect.
The flanges on the same plane vary as little as 0.2 degrees whereas across from each other they're within 1.1 degrees. I blame this on the steel being slightly warped.
Last night however, I was toying with implementing some real world results I came up with the day before.
Fusion 360 allows users to input specific figures, with your model coming out basically how it should in real life. Thing is, there are other variables like human error (when measuring ****), placement of material between punch and die for bending, as well as material coming from different batches.
Anyway, this is a piece of scrap I bent up as my 3rd try in trying to bend something with a specific flange length and inside width between two flanges.
Using this data, I worked on this last night for someone I make a lot of parts for. This is just part of it as there's more to be done to the remaining panels.
Obligatory action shot this morning.
Onto the press brake; first time I'm bending 3 flanges on a single plane.
Freaking damn near perfect.
The flanges on the same plane vary as little as 0.2 degrees whereas across from each other they're within 1.1 degrees. I blame this on the steel being slightly warped.
Well, bottom side and front panels are mocked and ready to be cut!
This is the most complicated series of bends and **** I've ever done
Will be out of town tomorrow so maybe I'll knock it out Monday or Tuesday to confirm my late night half-assed half-tired as **** measurements.
This is the most complicated series of bends and **** I've ever done
Will be out of town tomorrow so maybe I'll knock it out Monday or Tuesday to confirm my late night half-assed half-tired as **** measurements.
$10,238.41
That's how much I spent on March 23 of this year on what was supposed to be an investment. A means of doing more in the garage, a means to offer much more capability to others.
For those that don't know, I'm talking about my Langmuir CNC press brake.
Well, today I got an error code I've never seen before.
Thinking it was just some kind of error that can be cleared out, I went ahead and cleared it and proceeded to home it which it finally did.
I used the machine a few more times, having power cycled it, and the message appeared yet again. Three times actually.
So I posted on the Langmuir forum because there seems to be a lot less clutter on there than the actual Facebook groups. The popular FB group is littered with non-owners and the sort so I knew if I got a response on the forum, it'd be much more helpful.
Well surprisingly enough, one of the tech-support guys replied right away with step by step instructions on how to remove the main control board for replacement, and test a new board prior to installation to confirm everything works. This is because it apparently when the motion control board starts to fail, the warnings that trigger are those that I'm starting to experience now.
I was a little annoyed by the fact that I'd have to dig in there and do all that, especially if you guys saw the pictures I took of inside the console.
What stood out to me most was this part here -
Excuse me, what the ****?
I was of course, much more polite than that in that, I stated I've only had the machine in my possession for 2 months and 12 days now which is well within the 6 month warranty on electronics.
Some of you may be alright with that, cause $106 delivered to my door isn't all that much.
Not to mention, another poster said "maybe he didn't know that" when I stated how I only recently purchased my machine. I was thinking yeah, he may be right since after all they're posting after hours (they're in TX, I'm in CA).
No **** I checked my email just for kicks and there it was, an invoice for me to pay the amount of $106 and some change for a replacement board. A replacement board that is deemed faulty, well within the warranty period.
So I didn't reply and told myself (and the forum) I'll just call tomorrow cause I hope it's a mixup but man I am now starting to see why so many people are having issues with this thing, and them, in general. I was hoping to be one of those guys that "got a good one". Even after the big oil leaks when it first arrived, or the wood tray that was broken even though the packaging was fully intact. Let's not forget the ram opening being way out of spec that I had to buy a dial indicator just to fix it, or the fact that the linear guide rail for the material support arms isn't fully installed because several mounting holes were way out of line and I couldn't get bolts on them.
To be fair, I did get a partial refund on the material support arms, because they told me they only check something like 6 of the 12 or 18 holes it has for alignment.
Anyway I had much more typed out but I just deleted it because it isn't fair to say just yet. Not until I call them tomorrow, but if I have to buy a new board then what the heck is a warranty good for anyway?
Sorry for the rant. I'll update tomorrow.
That's how much I spent on March 23 of this year on what was supposed to be an investment. A means of doing more in the garage, a means to offer much more capability to others.
For those that don't know, I'm talking about my Langmuir CNC press brake.
Well, today I got an error code I've never seen before.
Thinking it was just some kind of error that can be cleared out, I went ahead and cleared it and proceeded to home it which it finally did.
I used the machine a few more times, having power cycled it, and the message appeared yet again. Three times actually.
So I posted on the Langmuir forum because there seems to be a lot less clutter on there than the actual Facebook groups. The popular FB group is littered with non-owners and the sort so I knew if I got a response on the forum, it'd be much more helpful.
Well surprisingly enough, one of the tech-support guys replied right away with step by step instructions on how to remove the main control board for replacement, and test a new board prior to installation to confirm everything works. This is because it apparently when the motion control board starts to fail, the warnings that trigger are those that I'm starting to experience now.
I was a little annoyed by the fact that I'd have to dig in there and do all that, especially if you guys saw the pictures I took of inside the console.
What stood out to me most was this part here -
Excuse me, what the ****?
I was of course, much more polite than that in that, I stated I've only had the machine in my possession for 2 months and 12 days now which is well within the 6 month warranty on electronics.
Some of you may be alright with that, cause $106 delivered to my door isn't all that much.
Not to mention, another poster said "maybe he didn't know that" when I stated how I only recently purchased my machine. I was thinking yeah, he may be right since after all they're posting after hours (they're in TX, I'm in CA).
No **** I checked my email just for kicks and there it was, an invoice for me to pay the amount of $106 and some change for a replacement board. A replacement board that is deemed faulty, well within the warranty period.
So I didn't reply and told myself (and the forum) I'll just call tomorrow cause I hope it's a mixup but man I am now starting to see why so many people are having issues with this thing, and them, in general. I was hoping to be one of those guys that "got a good one". Even after the big oil leaks when it first arrived, or the wood tray that was broken even though the packaging was fully intact. Let's not forget the ram opening being way out of spec that I had to buy a dial indicator just to fix it, or the fact that the linear guide rail for the material support arms isn't fully installed because several mounting holes were way out of line and I couldn't get bolts on them.
To be fair, I did get a partial refund on the material support arms, because they told me they only check something like 6 of the 12 or 18 holes it has for alignment.
Anyway I had much more typed out but I just deleted it because it isn't fair to say just yet. Not until I call them tomorrow, but if I have to buy a new board then what the heck is a warranty good for anyway?
Sorry for the rant. I'll update tomorrow.
PugetDude
ALLIANCE MEMBER
WTF doesn't begin to describe this.$10,238.41
That's how much I spent on March 23 of this year on what was supposed to be an investment. A means of doing more in the garage, a means to offer much more capability to others.
For those that don't know, I'm talking about my Langmuir CNC press brake.
Well, today I got an error code I've never seen before.
Thinking it was just some kind of error that can be cleared out, I went ahead and cleared it and proceeded to home it which it finally did.
I used the machine a few more times, having power cycled it, and the message appeared yet again. Three times actually.
So I posted on the Langmuir forum because there seems to be a lot less clutter on there than the actual Facebook groups. The popular FB group is littered with non-owners and the sort so I knew if I got a response on the forum, it'd be much more helpful.
Well surprisingly enough, one of the tech-support guys replied right away with step by step instructions on how to remove the main control board for replacement, and test a new board prior to installation to confirm everything works. This is because it apparently when the motion control board starts to fail, the warnings that trigger are those that I'm starting to experience now.
I was a little annoyed by the fact that I'd have to dig in there and do all that, especially if you guys saw the pictures I took of inside the console.
What stood out to me most was this part here -
Excuse me, what the ****?
I was of course, much more polite than that in that, I stated I've only had the machine in my possession for 2 months and 12 days now which is well within the 6 month warranty on electronics.
Some of you may be alright with that, cause $106 delivered to my door isn't all that much.
Not to mention, another poster said "maybe he didn't know that" when I stated how I only recently purchased my machine. I was thinking yeah, he may be right since after all they're posting after hours (they're in TX, I'm in CA).
No **** I checked my email just for kicks and there it was, an invoice for me to pay the amount of $106 and some change for a replacement board. A replacement board that is deemed faulty, well within the warranty period.
So I didn't reply and told myself (and the forum) I'll just call tomorrow cause I hope it's a mixup but man I am now starting to see why so many people are having issues with this thing, and them, in general. I was hoping to be one of those guys that "got a good one". Even after the big oil leaks when it first arrived, or the wood tray that was broken even though the packaging was fully intact. Let's not forget the ram opening being way out of spec that I had to buy a dial indicator just to fix it, or the fact that the linear guide rail for the material support arms isn't fully installed because several mounting holes were way out of line and I couldn't get bolts on them.
To be fair, I did get a partial refund on the material support arms, because they told me they only check something like 6 of the 12 or 18 holes it has for alignment.
Anyway I had much more typed out but I just deleted it because it isn't fair to say just yet. Not until I call them tomorrow, but if I have to buy a new board then what the heck is a warranty good for anyway?
Sorry for the rant. I'll update tomorrow.
Keep us posted.
Will do.
And in case anyone's wondering, this was received via email at 3:15pm at the same time the response was posted on the forum.
Let's just hope it's an oversight. Still, it'll **** if the controller is going out because I don't want this to be a recurring issue during ownership.
An update.
Even though I got that invoice to pay for said control board, the response (and email) was indeed one of those "end of the day" type things.
The invoice was sent by mistake as they admitted that they thought I bought my machine last year. I've been on the forum for some years so I can see how that could've been assumed but a new board is being sent out at no cost.
While I did add about the issues I had in my above post, I realized I never actually posted about them in this thread.
Why not?
Because I was able to overlook all of these, and not make it known unless someone asked me directly what my experience was.
So yeah I'm not one to make anyone one person or company look bad. But man, I was going to be real salty if they didn't take care of me under warranty.
Even though I got that invoice to pay for said control board, the response (and email) was indeed one of those "end of the day" type things.
The invoice was sent by mistake as they admitted that they thought I bought my machine last year. I've been on the forum for some years so I can see how that could've been assumed but a new board is being sent out at no cost.
While I did add about the issues I had in my above post, I realized I never actually posted about them in this thread.
Why not?
Because I was able to overlook all of these, and not make it known unless someone asked me directly what my experience was.
So yeah I'm not one to make anyone one person or company look bad. But man, I was going to be real salty if they didn't take care of me under warranty.
Old Man Roger
Well-known member
This was all I saw.
This was all I saw.
Yeah it was a pretty big investment for me for sure.
We live well within our means, but I'm also disabled.
So to spend that much all at once in cash (I like to keep my credit balances at 0), I definitely felt it
I dont charge much for what I do, whether at the local level or for people on the internet. But what I do make/profit, I normally invest back into the shop hence the tools I own now.
larry4406
Well-known member
Do they have a solution for the circuit board issue or are you only resetting the clock for the next repeat failure?
It's one that has alluded them.
While on the phone I asked multiple questions to include whether or not it is self-induced and if I can prevent it, or it It's a failing chip or something.
I asked as I shared that I have some SMD experience so maybe I can try and see what chips are used, where to source, and if replacing said chip fixes the issue (more work really).
But no, nothing that points to that. And when the issue does occur, flashing the entire board does not fix the issue so their remedy has been to simply replace them.
They don't seem to have the issue anymore, and as far as Sam goes (main tech for the Titan), he has only seen one single instance where the replacement board needed to be replaced again. The new replacement board seems to solve the issue so I'm hoping it was just a bad batch of electronics.
But when I do replace mine, I'll be taking multiple pictures to compare the two to see if there it's a new revision of some sort.
Wrench97
Well-known member
I had a wheel balancer once long ago that had known board failures, of course well out of warranty periods....I asked if the replacement board was updated or the same board oh no we haven't changed the boards at all was the answer and the board showed with the same part number and a Revision letter of M my board was Revision A ........yep no changes .....sure
Business partner dropped off some steel, so I opted to cut the other side panel before he took off with the assembly.
While I do have a few years of metal working experience, most of it being self-taught, I'm still learning a lot as I take on different processes.
With this particular project it was creating all these flanges while making all the parts with the correct dimensions. Everything fit exactly as expected, even when a little human error was involved (or possible).
This is because I simply eyeballed where the punch would meet and bend each flange. The flanges were too short to really bother with using the back gauge. Not to mention the UI is a bit clunky for adding the programming for it.
While I do have a few years of metal working experience, most of it being self-taught, I'm still learning a lot as I take on different processes.
With this particular project it was creating all these flanges while making all the parts with the correct dimensions. Everything fit exactly as expected, even when a little human error was involved (or possible).
This is because I simply eyeballed where the punch would meet and bend each flange. The flanges were too short to really bother with using the back gauge. Not to mention the UI is a bit clunky for adding the programming for it.
Also forgot to post my update earlier.
FedEx came by unexpectedly, and in the cargo van which normally delivers overnight or next day air packages (don't ask how I know).
Well Langmuir made well to send me a replacement board, and quickly too.
I guess once I pull mine out which I expect it won't be a cakewalk, I can compare them side by side and see if there are any changes.
As for the flange I mentioned earlier, this is what I meant.
It will tie in with the existing bolt holes used for the center divider.
FedEx came by unexpectedly, and in the cargo van which normally delivers overnight or next day air packages (don't ask how I know).
Well Langmuir made well to send me a replacement board, and quickly too.
I guess once I pull mine out which I expect it won't be a cakewalk, I can compare them side by side and see if there are any changes.
As for the flange I mentioned earlier, this is what I meant.
It will tie in with the existing bolt holes used for the center divider.
larry4406
Well-known member
I spy Version 1.0A on the board. Wonder how that will compare to yours.
Old Man Roger
Well-known member
AKA BETA TEST.
Old Man Roger
Well-known member
lol Hey you didn’t know it was 1.0 A