The latest addition to OldCarGuy”s vintage collection.

[OldCarGuy]

After logging 4,320 miles across 11 states in 8 whirlwind days, I finally made it home with my newest piece of American history. Because of the cost of diesel fuel I decided take my 26' motor home rather than my 45' coach. That consumes half as much fuel. However its' towing capacity is nearly the weight of my enclosed car hauler. Consequently day one of the trip included picking up a new 2,100 pound 102" by 20' aluminum enclosed car hauler in Illinois. Three days and 5 states later I made the destination Arizona. Where I Loaded the newest member of OldCarGuy's family.


A 1910 Fanders 20

Last year, I lost my lifelong friend. Remarkably, he with the guidance of his father, restored this Flanders when he was only 14. Because his wife wanted to ensure the car went to a responsible owner, she asked me to purchase it. Now also being an octogenarian, I'll ensure that the Flanders is handed down to my grandson...





My puppy taking the the new car

Rear Axle,, paint job underside

 

[zimman]

Love the older cars but honestly the Hauler Rig is Magnificent. LOL.
Zim

 

[bugnut]

Beautiful all 4!

 

[firebirdparts]

Love it!

 

[driftpin]

Brass Era cars have descended in price as the cohort interested in them has died-off. The Flanders looks like it could double its life expectancy from the shape it's in. Congratulations on the acquisition.

Are those dash-pots for fuel to start the car, in the center of each cylinder head bore?

 

[kaehlin]

Driving down the highway and seeing enclosed trailers, I often try to guess what's inside. Your tow rig is pretty spiffy so I would have guessed something pretty nice, but not this nice. Your friend must have taken great care of it after age 14!

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Wow! Awesome how well that new aluminum trailer looks with your motor home OCG. The Fanders 20 couldn't have found a better home than the lifetime friend of the man who also shares the same passions. Congratulations on the new acquisition, and too bad it comes with the loss of a friend. Ed.

 

[Smilodon]

I hope your grandson has the interest in that sort of thing. If so, it will be quite an inheritance.

How did the new trailer (loaded) go with the smaller R/V? That's about the size R/V I currently ponder. Slow to pull the trigger (and may never do so) because too much other stuff right now and no longer pulling down the "big bucks" in retirement.

 

[OldCarGuy]

Love the older cars but honestly the Hauler Rig is Magnificent. LOL.
Zim

Thanks for the compliment

Here's my main Hauler Rig: American Eagle with 24' enclosed car hauler. The eagle curb weight 45,000 pounds + the car hauler 4,000 pounds + car and gear 6,000 pounds + fuel, water another 3,000. That's in the neighborhood of 60,000. The 15-liter Cummins delivers unmatched muscle for the open road. Its' six speed double overdrive cruises at 65 MPH at 1,200 RPM's. Gets 8 to 8 ½ MPG with range 1,400 miles.

On the other hand my small rig GVWR is 15,000 pounds. The Mercedes 3.0 diesel with 7 speed transmission averaged 14 MPG over the 4,300 mile trip. Without the trailer it gets 17 to 18 MPG. Cruises at 60 MPH at 2100 RPM's. The coach comes with a 24 ½ gallon fuel tank that way too small. As soon as it was home. I jacked it up and added a 30 gallon fuel tank. Range this trip was 750 miles. While bobcat it closer to 1,000 miles.

 

[OldCarGuy]

Brass Era cars have descended in price as the cohort interested in them has died-off. The Flanders looks like it could double its life expectancy from the shape it's in. Congratulations on the acquisition.

Are those dash-pots for fuel to start the car, in the center of each cylinder head bore?

In my circles the Brass Era cars continue to draw good selling prices. And most are sold by word of mouth, in a short period of time, like this Flanders..

The dash-pots are actually priming cups. Used to put a few drops of gasoline directly into the combustion chamber. Most brass era cars have them.

 

[OldCarGuy]

Driving down the highway and seeing enclosed trailers, I often try to guess what's inside. Your tow rig is pretty spiffy so I would have guessed something pretty nice, but not this nice. Your friend must have taken great care of it after age 14!

I guess what's inside car haulers too. This trip I was fortunate to see the contents of three haulers at rest stops...

 

[OldCarGuy]

I hope your grandson has the interest in that sort of thing. If so, it will be quite an inheritance.

How did the new trailer (loaded) go with the smaller R/V? That's about the size R/V I currently ponder. Slow to pull the trigger (and may never do so) because too much other stuff right now and no longer pulling down the "big bucks" in retirement.

I have eight kids, six girls and two boys with 19 grandchildren. He's only one that adapted my defective gene. He's in his mid twenties and has worked by my side since he was 12. Besides helping me clean up and polish my fleet. He's hands on doing body work including painting. I posted here the body work to his Ford F150 when he was 18 in my garages. Rebuilding a few car engines, Plus my Sea-Ray's Two Chevy 454's engines...



Not bad for an 18 year old




Removing 454's from SeaRay at the open dock..


Grandson hit the makeshift starter button.. Started on the first try!

 

[Sturgeon]

Wow, really nice.

 

[RoninB4]

-Never seen a Flanders before, impressive restore. The grandchild has benefited from guidance, he does nice work too.

 

[OldCarGuy]

How did the new trailer (loaded) go with the smaller R/V? That's about the size R/V I currently ponder. Slow to pull the trigger (and may never do so) because too much other stuff right now and no longer pulling down the "big bucks" in retirement.

The small RV performed great. Though the cross winds were difficult. Being a light trailer with big sail area's and 250 pounds tongue weight. In the first two hours I stopped at Tractor Supply and loaded 400 pounds of softener salt in the nose... Plus lowered the ball height two inches making trailer level. Made all the difference. I always use a weight distribution hitch with sway bars. But the coach manufacturer specifically banned use of them..

Best thing you can do to preserve any RV is to have it stored inside a heated building. Then you don't need to fuss with winterizing the unit. I choose to heat and air condition all my garages. Along with running dehumidifiers. I keep both mine loaded with food and clothing, and can leave at a minute's notice... My lifestyle revolves around Motor homes. As I have posted I own two today...

My small motor home next to the larger one...



My lifestyle revolves around Motor homes. As I have posted I own two today...

 

[LXCam]

What a great story OCG. Luv the fleet and I’m really impressed by your grandson, what a talented kid.

I am surprised that the manufacturer of the RV expressly forbids a load leveler hitch. I’d tend to think if they’re worried that much about downwards pressure center of frame they’d be just as concerned about a heavy tongue load as well and upwards flex. Interesting

 

[zimman]

Thanks for the compliment

Here's my main Hauler Rig: American Eagle with 24' enclosed car hauler. The eagle curb weight 45,000 pounds + the car hauler 4,000 pounds + car and gear 6,000 pounds + fuel, water another 3,000. That's in the neighborhood of 60,000. The 15-liter Cummins delivers unmatched muscle for the open road. Its' six speed double overdrive cruises at 65 MPH at 1,200 RPM's. Gets 8 to 8 ½ MPG with range 1,400 miles.

On the other hand my small rig GVWR is 15,000 pounds. The Mercedes 3.0 diesel with 7 speed transmission averaged 14 MPG over the 4,300 mile trip. Without the trailer it gets 17 to 18 MPG. Cruises at 60 MPH at 2100 RPM's. The coach comes with a 24 ½ gallon fuel tank that way too small. As soon as it was home. I jacked it up and added a 30 gallon fuel tank. Range this trip was 750 miles. While bobcat it closer to 1,000 miles.

Wow amazing. Are American Eagle still made in Columbus Ohio. I remember Dave Thomas of the Wendy's fame had one and he'd come by the shop and take us to lunch. LOL. Nice rig.
Zim

 

[Model A Fan]

Very nice story, I am sure your friend would be pleased and I'm sure his wife is relieved it went to a home that will hold onto it and treasure it. It sounds like a "Happy Father's Day" is due to you. 8 kids is quite the household!

 

[OldCarGuy]

What a great story OCG. Luv the fleet and I’m really impressed by your grandson, what a talented kid.

I am surprised that the manufacturer of the RV expressly forbids a load leveler hitch. I’d tend to think if they’re worried that much about downwards pressure center of frame they’d be just as concerned about a heavy tongue load as well and upwards flex. Interesting

I discovered a label on the hitch that indicated not to use an equalization hitch. The manufacturer confirmed it. Mentioned that the rear section of the frame was lengthened. And such a hitch would induce excessive stress concentrations at the weld joints.

 

[OldCarGuy]

Wow amazing. Are American Eagle still made in Columbus Ohio. I remember Dave Thomas of the Wendy's fame had one and he'd come by the shop and take us to lunch. LOL. Nice rig.
Zim

American Eagles are made in Decatur Indiana. And I understand that Dave Thomas owned an Eagle...

 

[OldCarGuy]

Very nice story, I am sure your friend would be pleased and I'm sure his wife is relieved it went to a home that will hold onto it and treasure it. It sounds like a "Happy Father's Day" is due to you. 8 kids is quite the household!

Off all the things I've accomplished, fostering my family is what matters the most..

Judging by your username, you must be into Ford Model A's. I'm proud to be the caretaker of two beautiful Model A's

1929 Two-door sedan


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1931 Rumble Seat Roaster Deluxe. Once again,, My longtime neighbor and close friend’s wife expressed her wish that I look after her husband’s pride & joy. He owned this car since high school when it was considered a used car.

 

[Stuart in MN]

That's an interesting car I haven't heard of before. There were so many manufacturers pre 1925 or so that didn't last.

 

[four.cycle]

There were so many manufacturers pre 1925 or so that didn't last.

Hundreds.
Mind-boggling.
Everybody was trying to get in on the action.

 

[Stuart in MN]

Hundreds.
Mind-boggling.
Everybody was trying to get in on the action.

It makes me think of the snowmobile industry, there were once hundreds of manufacturers and it's boiled down to three today.

 

[four.cycle]

I've seen "lists" of early 20th century automobile "manufacturers", and they're pretty crazy.
But it should be remembered that all of those "manufacturers" were not really producing anything other than a finished vehicle.
They would buy the chassis from one outfit, and engine from another, the bodywork from yet another, and do the assembly work in house and put their name plate on the radiator.
There were few who started with raw iron and steel and pushed finished vehicles out the door - like Ford.

 

[Stuart in MN]

Yes, there was a lot of that where they sourced all the parts from other companies. To one extent or another it went on for a long time with some companies, for instance Checker always used engines built by someone else. I think it was Continental, until they switched to Chevy V8s in the 1960s. Other small companies would sometimes use smaller parts like door handles or dashboard switches from the major manufacturers.

 

[MikeC55]

The Flanders is outstanding! You are now a member of the Brass Club Club, the shifter being a solid brass club. It's great that your grandson has an interest in these wonderful old machines.

 

[OldCarGuy]

Spent the whole day getting the Flanders up and running. Change the engine oil, topped off the transmission & differential, grease fittings, air up the tires, and add five gallons of gasoline to the tank that's under the from seat. Studied the manuals.. Took but five short cranks and came to life..

Running

Test drive: Five trips front & back driveways

 

[manwithtools]

I can't imagine what our ancestors went through to drive an automobile compared to what we do today...

 

[kaehlin]

Very nice! I've briefly driven a Model T, the level of driver involvement and mechanical know-how needed to drive made it totally engaging for me. How are the brakes on the Flanders?

 

[Stuart in MN]

Very nice! I've briefly driven a Model T, the level of driver involvement and mechanical know-how needed to drive made it totally engaging for me. How are the brakes on the Flanders?

A car with mechanical brakes does require extra planning when it's time to stop. . They may not be so bad if they're perfectly adjusted, but you probably shouldn't assume that.

 

[OldCarGuy]

I can't imagine what our ancestors went through to drive an automobile compared to what we do today...

Hell,, it was a lot better then feeding and taking care of a horse..

 

[OldCarGuy]

Very nice! I've briefly driven a Model T, the level of driver involvement and mechanical know-how needed to drive made it totally engaging for me. How are the brakes on the Flanders?

What you would expect for two-wheel brakes. I have ten cars with mechanical brakes. I can lock up the wheels on all of them. But with the limited amount of tire to road contact stopping distance is bad. Narrow tires. Down hills ca be a real challenge. And on steep grades one needs to drop down a gear or get major brake fade...