Above 1200 Sq/FT The Cow Pasture Garage - Australia

[kitdoctor]

Gotta love marketing.

Once, what were thought as a problem to get rid of have now gone on to become very sought after.

The Option 97 cars (#0002-#0031) sell for north of AUD500k and the rest (Option 96 cars) north of $200k when in tidy-very nice condition. Recent examples.

 

[Geoff289]

Their value and desirability helped by the legendary 1.2 finish at Bathurst in 1977. I was there.

 

[kitdoctor]

Album 4 of 6.

A tidy Ford XC panel van, although IMO the stripe which is from the earlier XB series (1974-76) never looks right on an XC. This is what I'll say is a plain Jane panel van and not a Sundowner (see below).

I bought a similar van in the late '80s when I lived in Alice Springs. It had been abandoned by a tourist departing Australia. Such was the value, or more correctly the lack thereof, of these cars.



Holden, Ford and Chrysler tapped into the youth market in the 1970s and offered the Holden Sandman, the Ford Sundowner (see also Ford Sundowner) and the Chrysler Drifter respectively. I'll post some photos in another post, just for interest.

A very talented club member built this replica GT 40. That was a while ago, maybe 2012-13.









The same club member has recently completed this build. It's not a replica or tribute but loosely based upon his father's recollections of open-wheeler cars from his youth era.






Ford T-bucket. A sunny day only driver.



The interior of the T-bucket.



The guy in the white tee-shirt built the GT 40 and open-wheeler. His father built this hauler which the son now maintains. I'd assume F-series.

 

[kitdoctor]

Holden Sandman, Ford Sundowner and Chrysler Drifter Brief Story Part 1

The Holden Sandman was released across four models: 1) HQ (1974), 2) HJ (1974-76), 3) HX (1976-77) and 4 HZ (1977). It was also available as a utility and at the 2000 Sydney Motor Show Holden exhibited a concept utility (not shown).








I particularly liked the twin-headlight Premier frond-end.






This YouTube video tells the historical Holden Sandman story (acknowledgement Postcards From Down Under).

Ford's Sundowner was first released in the XB model (1974-76) (not shown). I can't say for sure whether production spanned the entire three-year period. The most recognised Sundowner's are those that were introduced after this, particularly the Falcon panel van and the smaller ****** panel van which feature the new exterior graphics.

An XC Sundowner panel van. All came standard with the GS package. This was a special order Ford employee car fitted with the 351C, four-speed single rail transmission, Meadow Green paint and Jade vinyl interior.



A Sundowner ****** panel van.



Ford also released the Sundowner in the Transit van.



The Sundowner was also included in the XD Falcon range (1979-81). Again, I can't say for sure whether production spanned the entire three-year period.



This video from an owner covers the ******, XC Falcon and Transit van Ford Sundowner range (acknowledgement Aussie Garage).

 

[kitdoctor]

Holden Sandman, Ford Sundowner and Chrysler Drifter Brief Story Part 2

Not to be left out and the model I know least about was Chrysler's Drifter, released as a panel van and utility.

One thing I know is that these models were produced in incredibly low production numbers, only manufactured in 1977, 338 panels vans and 114 utilities respectively. I'd assume this was because Chrysler was late to the party on tapping into the youth market and the growing trend towards smaller cars.

In 1978, Chrysler did add the Drifter name to the two-door Valient Charger (shown below).



A 1977 Chrysler CL Drifter panel van...



...and another.









A 1977 Chrysler CL Drifter utility...



...and another.



Here's the story of the Chrysler Drifter (acknowledgment Mark Behr who has a great YouTube channel).

 

[kitdoctor]

Their value and desirability helped by the legendary 1.2 finish at Bathurst in 1977. I was there.

@Geoff289 I wasn't old enough to attend (unless of course I ran away from home) in those final years of the 1970s and was limited to watching it on television.

That would have been an awesome experience.

Sadly, as we know, Allan Moffat passed away in November 2025. Colin Bond is still alive, aged 84.

 

[Geoff289]

@Geoff289 I wasn't old enough to attend (unless of course I ran away from home) in those final years of the 1970s and was limited to watching it on television.

That would have been an awesome experience.

Sadly, as we know, Allan Moffat passed away in November 2025. Colin Bond is still alive, aged 84.

As a died in the wool blue oval fan, it was particularly exciting and satisfying. For the record, having just completed my 71st trip around the sun yesterday, I was 22 and drove myself and couple of mates to Bathurst in my XY GT covered a while back in my own thread.

While drag racing has been my main motorsport interest since the age of 11, seriously, that was my second Bathurst having also been the year before, and I've been about half a dozen times since, the most recent being 2009 I used to go to most of the local rounds of the Supercar and before that the Touring Car championships but haven't been for a long time now.

 

[M.Brane]

Great stuff! It's very interesting to see the familiar body lines on completely different vehicles. Thanks again for sharing all the pics & info.

 

[kitdoctor]

As a died in the wool blue oval fan, it was particularly exciting and satisfying. For the record, having just completed my 71st trip around the sun yesterday, I was 22 and drove myself and couple of mates to Bathurst in my XY GT covered a while back in my own thread.

While drag racing has been my main motorsport interest since the age of 11, seriously, that was my second Bathurst having also been the year before, and I've been about half a dozen times since,

@Geoff289 great memories Geoff.

Those early visits (and perhaps others), if I'm correct, would have been within the historic Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS) Group C touring car era from 1973-84.

All of us older motorsports enthusiasts know what that means. It was an era of widely different cars, both Australian made and imported, factory backed teams, privateers and various classes, which together made it IMO the most interesting and memorable period of Australian motor sports (in that division, i.e. touring cars).

It produced the drivers that became household names, Peter Brock (RIP) The King of the Mountain (i.e. the Mount Panorama Circuit or race track at Bathurst, NSW), Bob Jane (RIP), Allan Moffat (RIP), Jim Richards , **** Johnson, Ian 'Pete' Geoghegan (RIP), Kevin Bartlett, John Goss, Colin Bond and many more.

Let's reminisce over a few of the more memorable race cars.

The Peter Brock and Jim Richard's 1979 Bathurst winning Holden Torana LX A9X Hatchback (acknowledgement Street Machine). Second place 1979 Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC).



Bob Jane's 1967 Ford Mustang GT 390 (acknowledgement Bob Jane 1967 Mustang GT 390). Sixth place 1969 ATCC and third place 1970 ATCC.



Bob Jane's 1969 Chevrolet Camaro COPO ZL-1 (acknowledgement wikipedia). First place 1971 and 1972 ATCC.



Alan Moffat's 1969 Ford Mustang Trans Am Boss 302 (acknowledgement AutoAction). Sixth place 1970 ATCC, second place 1971 ATCC and third place 1972 ATCC.



Allan Moffat's 1971 Ford Falcon XY GT HO Phase III (acknowledgement Shannons), first place 1973 ATCC.



**** Johnson's and John French's 1980 Ford Falcon XD winning the Bathurst 1000 in 1981 (acknowledgement The Sydney Morning Herald).



At Bathurst the year before, the car crashed on lap 17 after hitting a rock that was accidentally rolled onto the track by two spectators.

The Ian 'Pete' Geoghegan 1967 Ford Mustang GTA snapped in 2011 (acknowledgement speedcafe). First place 1966-69 ATCC, fourth place 1970 ATCC and third place 1971 ATCC.



Kevin Bartlett flipping his 1978 Chevrolet Camaro Z 28 at Bathurst in 1982 (acknowledgement Australian Muscle Car magazine). For the benefit of those unfamiliar with this car it was finished in a very, very dark blue with yellow Channel 9 (television channel) sponsorship markings. Second place 1980 ATCC, eleventh place 1981 ATCC, third place 1982 ATCC and thirty-seventh place 1983 ATCC.



A replica or tribute of the 1972 Ford Falcon XA GT hardtop of John Goss and Kevin Bartlett (acknowledgement Unique Cars) which won Bathurst in 1974. Fourteenth in the 1973 ATCC.

The 1969 Holden HT Monaro GTS 350 of Colin Bond and Tony French (acknowledgement Shannons & Autopics) which won Bathurst in 1969.

 

[kitdoctor]

Great stuff! It's very interesting to see the familiar body lines on completely different vehicles. Thanks again for sharing all the pics & info.

@M.Brane. What's that saying, "everything old is new again".

A rear view of Ford's new fastback styling for the 1970 Torino, shown here on a 1970 Torino Cobra (in this case a SCJ or Drag Pack car) (acknowledgement Hemmings) tells the story of where Ford Australia took it styling cues from for the 1972-1976 XA-XB-XC series (1972-78) hardtops.



Shown below is a 1973 Ford Falcon XA GT hardtop (acknowledgement Unique Cars).



For the front end treatment of the XB series (1974-76), in this case a replica or tribute 1976 Ford Falcon XB GT sedan (acknowledgement Unique Cars), do the bonnet flutes and egg crate grille look familiar?



That's right, taken from the 1971 Ford Mustang styling. Shown below is a 1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 (acknowledgement Unique Cars) that used to belong to a friend of mine.

 

[kitdoctor]

Very interesting.

I'm about 90% sure the gizmo on the shock tower is an early aftermarket cruise control set up.

@Geoff289 how about that. I'm not sure I'd trust one from that era.

 

[Geoff289]

Those early visits (and perhaps others), if I'm correct, would have been within the historic Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS) Group C touring car era from 1973-84.

All of us older motorsports enthusiasts know what that means. It was an era of widely different cars, both Australian made and imported, factory backed teams, privateers and various classes, which together made it IMO the most interesting and memorable period of Australian motor sports (in that division, i.e. touring cars).

That's right. Under those Group C regs there were three classes - up to 2 litres, 2-3 litres and 3-6 litres.

What's that saying, "everything old is new again".

Of course, the original XK, XL, XM, and XP Falcons manufactured here in the very early '60's were direct copies of American Falcons, although a year or so behind. XR, XT, XW and XY's were still heavily based on yank models but not direct copies. Apart from that, the famous shaker hood on the XY GT's came from the '69 Mach 1 Mustang.

 

[kitdoctor]

Album 5 of 6.

This is one of the 2023? Ford Mustang **** Johnson Racing 40th Anniversary editions featuring a supercharged Coyote 5.0 L V8 rated at 578 kW (800 HP) and 810 Nm of torque. Don't quote me, but I think there were 65 produced and cost AUD180000.

It's owned by the couple (wife's car actually) who own the XW GT tribute and 1978 Ford XC Falcon Cobra. Funny story, you are typically asked by Ford if you wish to reserve one of these, in this case two years before the release which is the process the owner's went through. So, in the end, Ford forgot to ring them to come collect it from the local dealer. You'd think after a sixth purchase of a limited edition performance car, Ford would get the details right







Only the one '80s Ford Fairlane, in this case a ZK (?) which were produced between 1982-84. I think the owner has altered the grille by painting the minor vertical and horizontal bars black. It's also running the aftermarket 18" x 8" Snowflake rims from Global Trim.



Next up, this is a Ford XW Fairmont wagon in Reef Green. The XW model spanned 1969-70.

Although the number plate says "GS WAGON", it doesn't have the factory GS option which included driving lights, Rimblow steering wheel, sports instrumentation, etc. It has the GT side stripe but minus the Superoo decals.

Being a wagon too, they just don't pull the big dollars like the sedans. A nice example though, that the owner has been working on for six months. It was found in Darwin.



1968 Ford Falcon XT with some minor owner preferred changes, including the Shaker which was introduced in Australia on the 1970 Falcon XY GT.



Now, I think this is a 1970 Ford Thunderbird. Let me know if it's not.

This car was for sale. It appeared very tidy, it's just a shame about the colour. Speaking of brown, look at the grass. It doesn't rain here from about May to August.



Here we have a European Ford ****** Mark II, that I'd assume was assembled locally by Ford Australia. Ford assembled these between 1975 and 1980.

I assume the plate means the 1980 production year and the "RS" is a reference to the RS2000 performance model. Yes, our European enthusiasts got the most out of four cylinder engines and enjoyed success in rallying. I think they were powered by a 2 L or 2000 cc engine.



The Classic Ford Club of the Northern Territory is open to all Fords, not just any particular model. Here's a 1932 Ford hot rod...



...and a 1934, both coupes of course. The absence of paint chips on the front wings or fenders suggest these don't see a lot of driving.



These were the first two rows of cars as you came into the Darwin Showgrounds.

Not a cloud in the sky. Just an observation, I always think the colours in Darwin are washed out or dull. In other words, the blues aren't that blue etc. Not that this photograph confirms this

 

[kitdoctor]

Sold for USD67.5k 34-k mile 1997 Ford F-250 HD XLT Supercab Power Stroke 4 x 4. Like, that's twice and then some the original sticker price. Sweet colour scheme, lows miles and well cared for.



I can't help but think there's good money to be made flipping the right pick-up truck.

Lots of auctions say the "selling dealer", so I assume that a dealer has purchased a vehicle and is moving it on. One wonders whether these are buy low purchases from elderly owners who don't know the market.

 

[Tactile]

Here's a project for you...built/assembled right there in Qld. too...

 

[kitdoctor]

Here's a project for you...built/assembled right there in Qld. too...

@Tactile thanks for thinking of me. Wait until you see the projects I already have.

I was onto to these OBS '92-'97 F-250s & F-350s before I retired in 2018 and had plans to import one.

Then, not long after this I checked the then current import rules and you basically couldn't import these vehicles because the federal government had changed or was in the process of changing the rules by placing a limit on the maximum GVM of (historic vehicles) vehicles that you could import and not have to convert because they we older than 30(?) years (it might be 25 years).

Damn government ruined my plan.

 

[hewey]

Some great looking Fords, thanks for taking the time to share the pics. What would have been your pick to take home yourself? That black Galaxie would be mine, that's all kinds of gorgeous.

 

[Geoff289]

@Tactile thanks for thinking of me. Wait until you see the projects I already have.

I was onto to these OBS '92-'97 F-250s & F-350s before I retired in 2018 and had plans to import one.

Then, not long after this I checked the then current import rules and you basically couldn't import these vehicles because the federal government had changed or was in the process of changing the rules by placing a limit on the maximum GVM of (historic vehicles) vehicles that you could import and not have to convert because they we older than 30 years.

Damn government ruined my plan.

I think that F250 would just squeak in under the 3,500 kg/7.700 pounds gvm limit.

https://www.vehiclesizes.com/cars/ford/f-series-f-250/f-series-f-250-x-supercab-1997/

Keeping them left hook is a State rego matter rather than a Federal import matter. 30 years here and Qld, maybe everywhere, so you can get it and be good to go next year.

 

[kitdoctor]

I think that F250 would just squeak in under the 3,500 kg/7.700 pounds gvm limit.

@Geoff289 I think it's very much model specific.

With the last of the OBSs there's the HD (Heavy Duty) model which has an 8800 lb GVWR which I think is what we here refer to as GVM.

The beauty that sold was a HD model and the vehicle plate shown below shows the 8800 lb GVWR.

Keeping them left hook is a State rego matter rather than a Federal import matter. 30 years here and Qld, maybe everywhere, so you can get it and be good to go next year.

I think the problem I saw was obtaining a vehicle import approval which is issued by the federal government. One would be relying upon using the concession granted to older vehicles (at least 25 years old not 30 years as I thought).

One of the eligibility criteria even back then under the concession was the maximum GVM of 3500 kg. This is from the latest guideline May 2025.



So, back then, the information wasn't in a nice clear guideine and this stopped me in my tracks. I wanted a capable tow vehicle with the 7.3 PowerStroke diesel engine, not a wimpy 351W powered F-150.

Just taking a look at that recent guideline Guide to Concessional RAV Entry Approvals I did spot this, see last point.



That point is very interesting,

 

[kitdoctor]

Album 6 of 6.

This is the last of the photos, just showing some of the display areas.

I spot a non Ford, AMC I think. Not sure of the model.








Now, I don't know what this is. Is it even a Ford? It looks like a Chevy but not an Impala.

 

[kitdoctor]

Some great looking Fords, thanks for taking the time to share the pics. What would have been your pick to take home yourself? That black Galaxie would be mine, that's all kinds of gorgeous.

@hewey, yep I quite liked that Galaxie too, even better as a two-door.

My wife could see herself in that DJR Anniversary Mustang but she wants a red one

 

[zanyad]

Thanks for sharing those photos!

 

[kitdoctor]

Thanks for sharing those photos!

@zanyad kinda just lucky, as it was a coincidence we happened to be here when the All Ford Day was on.

It was good to see a few familiar faces that we hadn't seen in many years.

Mind you, you've got to wonder what's going on when someone you haven't seen in more that 10 years looks completely unchanged.

 

[kitdoctor]

Post #0071f - War of the weeds – Tidying and solarisation continued - Part LXVI

I decided to add two more updates to post #0071. These are really just to show what state the pasture was in about halfway through 2025. So, about six months into the start of really actively managing the five acres within the constraints we had.

At this point we were still having a contractor mow. Between January 2025 and November 2025, we had him mow eight times and spray four times using his Can Am side-by-side with a tank mounted sprayer. At a guess, I’d say one would need to mow 35-40 times per year to really keep a tight rein on the grass.

I think we got the $100 hand-me-down Victor push mower in March. My wife seemed to really relish tackling the grass in the swale drains behind each building pad. I had plenty to do, so I just let her go for it. My duties are the spraying, brush cutting and using the chainsaw.

In this first photo you can see our contractor mowing the southern end of the block. Just below his position is a highlighted area that appears darker. This a highly disturbed area with patchy Paspalum sp. where Cobbler’s pegs Bidens pilosa
take hold. There was not the slightest presence of some Kikuyu and the future plan is to landscape the area, so it’s a candidate for solarisation using black plastic.

In the wedge downslope from the retaining wall to the east of the shed there are sections that are very compacted from the construction equipment used to construct the retaining wall. The compaction limits the spread of the grass and the area is so small that the mowing is adding to this compaction.



Here’s a closeup of that area mentioned above in the first photo. By the time this photo was taken the placement of mulch around the tanks had been completed.



Looking to north over the area downslope of the driveway the line of the sanitary drain can be seen. The area in the foreground and to the left-hand-side are mainly Paspalum sp. but there’s good potential for the remaining undisturbed area which is largely Kikuyu.



The next three photos are of the wedge of grass to the north of the driveway leading up to the shed that has the gully on one side of it. In the foreground, there’s a rock to pick up and plenty of Paspalum sp. present but again there’s some nice Kikuyu above the red line.



Just some examples of Paspalum sp..



The rye grass planted to stabilise the berm located at the property entrance was doing well and more examples of Paspalum sp..



Returning to the other wedge of grass immediately to the east of the shed the planted turf was doing well.



The next three photos are of the areas to the north of shed. It’s obviously steep and when it rains there’s overland flow. It dominated by Paspalum sp.. Most of it is undisturbed, except for the area that the swale drain passes through.



This is the area at the end of the table drain. At the transition to the bank of the gully (which is out of frame and/or hidden in the shade) it’s very bare and a lot of Cobbler’s pegs or Bidens pilosa take hold. I’m not optimistic this area will undergo a radical self-induced transformation for the better.



Towards the north-west corner I thought the same but ultimately there’s has been a big improvement with some nice growth of Kikuyu as will become obvious in a future post.



To be continued.

 

[Lyndon]

@Geoff289 great memories Geoff.

Those early visits (and perhaps others), if I'm correct, would have been within the historic Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS) Group C touring car era from 1973-84.

All of us older motorsports enthusiasts know what that means. It was an era of widely different cars, both Australian made and imported, factory backed teams, privateers and various classes, which together made it IMO the most interesting and memorable period of Australian motor sports (in that division, i.e. touring cars).

It produced the drivers that became household names, Peter Brock (RIP) The King of the Mountain (i.e. the Mount Panorama Circuit or race track at Bathurst, NSW), Bob Jane (RIP), Allan Moffat (RIP), Jim Richards , **** Johnson, Ian 'Pete' Geoghegan (RIP), Kevin Bartlett, John Goss, Colin Bond and many more.

Let's reminisce over a few of the more memorable race cars.

The Peter Brock and Jim Richard's 1979 Bathurst winning Holden Torana LX A9X Hatchback (acknowledgement Street Machine). Second place 1979 Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC).



Bob Jane's 1967 Ford Mustang GT 390 (acknowledgement Bob Jane 1967 Mustang GT 390). Sixth place 1969 ATCC and third place 1970 ATCC.



Bob Jane's 1969 Chevrolet Camaro COPO ZL-1 (acknowledgement wikipedia). First place 1971 and 1972 ATCC.



Alan Moffat's 1969 Ford Mustang Trans Am Boss 302 (acknowledgement AutoAction). Sixth place 1970 ATCC, second place 1971 ATCC and third place 1972 ATCC.



Allan Moffat's 1971 Ford Falcon XY GT HO Phase III (acknowledgement Shannons), first place 1973 ATCC.



**** Johnson's and John French's 1980 Ford Falcon XD winning the Bathurst 1000 in 1981 (acknowledgement The Sydney Morning Herald).



At Bathurst the year before, the car crashed on lap 17 after hitting a rock that was accidentally rolled onto the track by two spectators.

The Ian 'Pete' Geoghegan 1967 Ford Mustang GTA snapped in 2011 (acknowledgement speedcafe). First place 1966-69 ATCC, fourth place 1970 ATCC and third place 1971 ATCC.



Kevin Bartlett flipping his 1978 Chevrolet Camaro Z 28 at Bathurst in 1982 (acknowledgement Australian Muscle Car magazine). For the benefit of those unfamiliar with this car it was finished in a very, very dark blue with yellow Channel 9 (television channel) sponsorship markings. Second place 1980 ATCC, eleventh place 1981 ATCC, third place 1982 ATCC and thirty-seventh place 1983 ATCC.



A replica or tribute of the 1972 Ford Falcon XA GT hardtop of John Goss and Kevin Bartlett (acknowledgement Unique Cars) which won Bathurst in 1974. Fourteenth in the 1973 ATCC.

The 1969 Holden HT Monaro GTS 350 of Colin Bond and Tony French (acknowledgement Shannons & Autopics) which won Bathurst in 1969.

Joel

Most of these cars, especially the Moffstang, the Torana, the Camaro, and while not the blue XD of DJR's, but the Green's Tuf XE ( and many more historic Australian Touring cars) are in the Bowden collection at Buderim (in your state). And Dave Bowden passed away only last week. If it hadn't been for him they mostly would have been lost. I'm hoping to do a tour of the place at some stage..... (after the Goodwood trip).

Lyndon

 

[kitdoctor]

Most of these cars, especially the Moffstang, the Torana, the Camaro, and while not the blue XD of DJR's, but the Green's Tuf XE ( and many more historic Australian Touring cars) are in the Bowden collection at Buderim (in your state). And Dave Bowden passed away only last week. If it hadn't been for him they mostly would have been lost. I'm hoping to do a tour of the place at some stage..... (after the Goodwood trip).

@Lyndon ages ago before we moved to QLD I saw that regular tours were conducted and also hoped one day to see the collection.

I think the format changed over the years and in the end there were tickets linked to Bowden's products purchases. Then the tours stopped. Is that right or is this just me making stuff up?

I'm in the Falcon GT Owners Club of QLD and plan to join the Mustang Owners Club Australia - QLD Inc in late June, so maybe one of those clubs might facilitate a visit.

A little known area about David Bowden was that he was a very successful share trader and market analyst/forecaster, see David Bowden. In other words, he forecast movements of markets in price but also time. Most that forecast markets do not attempt to forecast time because the time aspect is understood by so few and often viewed as simply not possible. This is personally interesting to me because I share an interest in this too and commit time to this activity every day and have done so for more than a decade.

It is even more interesting to understand that David Bowden's knowledge was based upon the work of William Dilbert Gann. Gann was one of the three titans of 20th century financial market analysis, the other two being Charles Dow and Ralph Nelson Elliott.

Of these, it is the life and work of Gann that is most controversial. Why? Long story involving the Bible, astronomy, astrology and other concepts, but I encourage everyone to read just a little about him. Was he a genius or a fraud?

To appreciate his impact, just type his name in Amazon and see the books others have written about him and his teachings. There are people worldwide that have dedicated decades, even their entire lives to discovering what he knew.

I myself know more about Ralph Nelson Elliott but have been exposed to the ideas and teachings of William Dilbert Gann. I have seen many and even made some forecasts using Gann's techniques and I have been left in amazement. 100% accurate all the time, of course not, but enough to leave me wondering...

 

[82355]

@Geoff289 great memories Geoff.

Kevin Bartlett flipping his 1978 Chevrolet Camaro Z 28 at Bathurst in 1982 (acknowledgement Australian Muscle Car magazine). For the benefit of those unfamiliar with this car it was finished in a very, very dark blue with yellow Channel 9 (television channel) sponsorship markings. Second place 1980 ATCC, eleventh place 1981 ATCC, third place 1982 ATCC and thirty-seventh place 1983 ATCC.

That would be a 1977 Camaro, unless they retained older body styles in Australia?

A 1978 would have different bumpers, tail lamps, and tail panel.

Martin

 

[Tactile]

I myself know more about Ralph Nelson Elliott but have been exposed to the ideas and teachings of William Dilbert Gann. I have seen many and even made some forecasts using Gann's techniques and I have been left in amazement. 100% accurate all the time, of course not, but enough to leave me wondering...

Didn't Gann's son say his father made more money selling his technique than actual trading? Glad it's working out for you though.

 

[Geoff289]

That would be a 1977 Camaro, unless they retained older body styles in Australia?

A 1978 would have different bumpers, tail lamps, and tail panel.

Martin

Camaros were not, and still aren't, sold new through dealers down here, they have to be imported.

KB's car was a '78 model that he purchased from Unser Chevrolet in New Mexico in 1979. However, racing rules here meant that only a '74-77 model could be raced in the relevant category so he had to fit some earlier cosmetic items to make it race legal.

 

[kitdoctor]

That would be a 1977 Camaro, unless they retained older body styles in Australia?

A 1978 would have different bumpers, tail lamps, and tail panel.

Good pickup on the detail.

I'm not familiar with the Camaro and I had to do some research on the specific car and that's what the reference sources said.

I see @Geoff289 has added some more information which adds a twist to the story and explains why it looked like an earlier model.

 

[kitdoctor]

Didn't Gann's son say his father made more money selling his technique than actual trading? Glad it's working out for you though.

@Tactile, if I'm right it sounds like you know of WD Gann which is exciting! I'd enjoy you elaborating either here or via DM.

I have not had the time over the last 4+ years to explore his work and teachings more, and one of the subscription newsletters I receive on the Australian property market promised a lot in terms of incorporating Gann's work into the newsletters but it never/hasn't eventuated to the extent I was hoping for.

My main interest now is NEoWave analysis of the ASX 200 and S&P 500 from a forecasting perspective, with no money risked trading. I just do it to manage my and the wife's superannuation.

NEoWave is an advanced form of the wave theory that was initially developed by Ralph Nelson Elliott (which was picked up by Robert Prechter in the 1970s) developed by Glenn Neely from the 1980s onwards (see NEoWave).

Yes, that's true about what the son expressed, however, I recall reading an opinion from a reliable source that commented on the son's statement and it was said it was/was possibly a case of sour grapes.

I can't recall whether the source expressed the view that the sour grapes were: 1) a result of the son not being as gifted as the father, 2) the small size of the estate left after Gann's death, 3) both and 4) possibly other reasons.

 

[Tactile]

@Tactile, if I'm right it sounds like you know of WD Gann which is exciting! I'd enjoy you elaborating either here or via DM.

I have not had the time over the last 4+ years to explore his work and teachings more, and one of the subscription newsletters I receive on the Australian property market promised a lot in terms of incorporating Gann's work into the newsletters but it never/hasn't eventuated to the extent I was hoping for.

My main interest now is NEoWave analysis of the ASX 200 and S&P 500 from a forecasting perspective, with no money risked trading. I just do it to manage my and the wife's superannuation.

NEoWave is an advanced form of the wave theory that was initially developed by Ralph Nelson Elliott (which was picked up by Robert Prechter in the 1970s) developed by Glenn Neely from the 1980s onwards (see NEoWave).

Yes, that's true about what the son expressed, however, I recall reading an opinion from a reliable source that commented on the son's statement and it was said it was/was possibly a case of sour grapes.

I can't recall whether the source expressed the view that the sour grapes were: 1) a result of the son not being as gifted as the father, 2) the small size of the estate left after Gann's death, 3) both and 4) possibly other reasons.

I didn't think I had heard of him but when I searched the name I realised I'd ran across him before.

I did a deep dive into finance a decade or so ago and discovered two things - 1. For every really smart person in engineering/science (I'm an [average] engineer), there are 100 in finance.

2. For all these really smart people in finance, they pretty much all agree on nothing!

So my deduction was only invest in what you know, or a simple index if you know nothing(!).

Another reason Gann senior took this path might be explained in this post on X. You would be amazed at how many finance guys fall into this trap. They get to 50 with $100mil but have nothing else and are too old to get it.

katsu (@katsuxbt) on X

Alex Hormozi says a trader made $100,000,000 and still couldn’t sleep at night “If you’re so good at trading, why should I listen to you? Well, I have $100 million in verified earnings from trading. I said okay, then why are you selling courses instead of just making trades?”...

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[kitdoctor]

I did a deep dive into finance a decade or so ago and discovered two things - 1. For every really smart person in engineering/science (I'm an [average] engineer), there are 100 in finance.

@Tactile what surprises me is that most of these financial experts don't understand the importance of the property market.

Those that do, don't understand that there is a long cycle. WD Gann did not understand the property cycle but his financial timetable, which is now believed to have been copied and not his original work, did in fact identify that a cycle runs on average 18.5 years. The columns in the timetable advance by alternate 18 year and 19 year periods, the average being 18.5 years (remember the timetable was created in 1908, published 1909), way before calculators).



18.5 years was an approximation of 18.6 years which is the North Node. In astronomy, the North Node (or ascending node) is one of two points where The Moon's orbital path intersects the Earth's orbital plane (the ecliptic). It is specifically the point where the Moon crosses from the southern to the northern hemisphere of the sky. A complete cycle of The Moon to the North Node takes approximately 18.6 years.

Anyway, I find it interesting but just don't have the time to pursue it (from research and forecasting perspectives).

Trading is a completely different animal and is simply not for me.

 

[Tactile]

...what surprises me is that most of these financial experts don't understand the importance of the property market.

A lot of investors have sectors that they wont invest. Some don't like nuclear energy/mining, some don't like weapon production, some don't like fossil fuels or visa versa.

Some (like me) wont touch property (maybe commercial is OK). Sometimes things don't align with their ethics or values no matter how much money is involved.

As for the cycles you mentioned, a link to astronomy is a stretch for me but there is another cycle that might be of interest that could be involved that peaked my interest...there is a book called "The Forth Turning" that a lot of financial people quote and recommend. The first 2 thirds are really hard going but persevere so you can get a thorough grasp of the last third.

It talks more about the generation cycles that we go through and the conflict between them and how it shapes our history. I always wondered why I (and most of my GenX friends) don't get on with Boomers, this book told me the most likely reason why!

Thought provoking and worth the read.