CRSINMICH
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I posted this AMF Float-Lock Mity7 Vise about a year ago. It was by the same company. That might be what you remember.
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PeterPeter
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Thanks for the ‘dirty paper’. You’re the fastest patent producer in The West. How do you do it?
I see quick release or ‘Instant Change’ is an option. I guess that’s why they call it Standard. Theres a longer version with Instant Change, too.
I’ve chased a few of these vises, first time I actually caught one. It came attached to a complete, with pulley guard, Walker Turner bench press. I was tickled pink.
peter, peter
CRSINMICH
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I often find vise patents while searching for other things and I file them in case it should come up in the future.
Here's a case in point. Just yesterday I found this patent while researching pipe vises and saved it just in case.
Wilbert Trethewey was a plumber in Boston. In fact, his great-grandchildren are still running Trethewey Brothers Plumbing. One of them is a TV star.
Here's a case in point. Just yesterday I found this patent while researching pipe vises and saved it just in case.
Wilbert Trethewey was a plumber in Boston. In fact, his great-grandchildren are still running Trethewey Brothers Plumbing. One of them is a TV star.
PghJKB
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Bowling Balls, Harleys, and Float-Lock.I posted this AMF Float-Lock Mity7 Vise about a year ago. It was by the same company. That might be what you remember.
Quite an ensemble...
JKB
Outlawmws
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Bowling alleys and Radial arm saws too.
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And sailboats and nuclear reactors.
Outlawmws
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New addition: A Will Burt Versa Vise Gunsmith vise $35!
3-1/2" jaws opens 4-3/4" (thisb one you open toth e stop to measure) about 15-1/2 Lbs :
3-1/2" jaws opens 4-3/4" (thisb one you open toth e stop to measure) about 15-1/2 Lbs :
PeterPeter
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The PO describes the condition of this 404 1/2 as “fair”. Seems a lot better than that to me. To my eye, looks like original japanning, crisp tail edges and fairly smooth jaw faces. Besides the missing lock handle, and a random dings, anyone see something I don’t? How would you describe the condition?
peter, peter
peter, peter
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Congrats! Never had the pleasure of owning one, but they’re meat vises. And at that price…no brainer
Even though the paint is old, it’s not original. No vise manufacturers I’ve ever seen (understandably so) painted the slides of their vises, and that one shows clear traces on the slide. That said, all things considered, I’d probably still put the condition at higher than “fair”.
neophyte
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I’ve seen enough old vises that appear to have been assembled, and then painted, including the slide, that I think painting the slides was occasionally done.
I don’t know how common it might gave been, and mostly it is less expensive vises where I’ve seen the issue.
Whether Reed would have done it, I don’t know, but it would not surprise me if dome Industrial manufacturers did it, just to get vises out the door at slightly lower cost.
The paint would also have helped protect exposed areas of the slide from rust.
Outlawmws
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Reeds have a tight enough slide fit that it could cause binding from bunched up scraped paint, so unlikely.
the only painted slides from a factory I've seen are cheap homeowner's models and cheap imports.
PeterPeter
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Turns out, the OP’s “fair” description of the 404 1/2 was an over estimate. It is all there, and original, but there at least one problem I identified by taking out the slide. I offered $30, even though he wanted to give it to me. 
The screw is in inaccessible right now, so not sure how bent it is. The retaining sleeve bolt lacks a head, or slot for screw driver. Not the first time I’ve seen this.
Later… Well, it’s out and it’s not pretty. Not surprised considering the condition of the nut. This pic of the tail end was taken with the meatball end flat on the table.
Peter, peter
The screw is in inaccessible right now, so not sure how bent it is. The retaining sleeve bolt lacks a head, or slot for screw driver. Not the first time I’ve seen this.
Later… Well, it’s out and it’s not pretty. Not surprised considering the condition of the nut. This pic of the tail end was taken with the meatball end flat on the table.
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I'm in love
My next mission, got his phone number, my friend who sent it to me isn't able to drop it off
There is a 7th shelf on the ground.
, sending a deposit in a few days delivered in a few months, finger crossing has commenced.I think he said the base isn't original and the 7th shelf has a crack in it, LOL I didn't even haggle, just said I'm happy with everything, struggling on the phone with hearing and no transport, I'm just happy he is OK with dropping it off at the big Bendigo swap in a few months, a few more pics are coming.
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CRSINMICH
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PeterPeter: This might be a good time to repost this advice from PARKER
(The red lettering is mine)
PeterPeter
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PeterPeter: This might be a good time to repost this advice from PARKER
(The red lettering is mine)
Dropfo begs to differ. (I think you posted this when I was inquiring about a no.4 I bought)
CRSINMICH
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PeterPeter: I may have posted that ad but I surely didn't try it out on my #5. It's not that I think ads might exaggerate, you understand, but I had to look for a Dropfo for quite awhile and I didn't want to take any chances.
Beerhippie
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I'm certainly not what anyone would describe as husky, but give me a three-foot cheater and I can guarantee I'll put a nice bend in that handle.
Maui
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The simple things are so good, A successful half hour, no hassles at all which is so unusual- removed the broken bolt, 
found some old style - 5/16 -18, bought some 1" and 2 " length, I can cut to size if required, as I also need one to fasten the anvil 
For those record 74 owners, am I correct in assuming the pipe jaw is not original ?
Going to use it anyway, just curious, it's a little bit sloppy but works, a bit of a template for my Dawn Universal ( 74 copy) as well, I'll cut down the larger one to fit.
it's in very good condition, the older Records seem to be just that little bit better in fit and use to most. I'm leaning towards painting this in satin clear- seems a shame to hide how good it is. ( Had no original paint left on it)
found some old style - 5/16 -18, bought some 1" and 2 " length, I can cut to size if required, as I also need one to fasten the anvil For those record 74 owners, am I correct in assuming the pipe jaw is not original ?
Going to use it anyway, just curious, it's a little bit sloppy but works, a bit of a template for my Dawn Universal ( 74 copy) as well, I'll cut down the larger one to fit.
it's in very good condition, the older Records seem to be just that little bit better in fit and use to most. I'm leaning towards painting this in satin clear- seems a shame to hide how good it is. ( Had no original paint left on it)
CRSINMICH
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colmal: Here's a snippet from a 1953 catalogue showing Auto Vice. The only information about pipe grips is that they are 'hardened'.
I purposefully left the #75 in the picture to give you something else to lust after. I also added the #74 information from a 1963 catalogue showing the new streamlined look.
I purposefully left the #75 in the picture to give you something else to lust after. I also added the #74 information from a 1963 catalogue showing the new streamlined look.
PeterPeter
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Congratulations, that’s a great Wilton.
Thankyou, LOL, yes I have my eye out for a 75, never seen one thou, From what I can gather my 74 is a late 20's,early 30's having the bolt for the pipe jaw, the very early 1928 just had a Pat Pending, with no dates.colmal: Here's a snippet from a 1953 catalogue showing Auto Vice. The only information about pipe grips is that they are 'hardened'.
I purposefully left the #75 in the picture to give you something else to lust after. I also added the #74 information from a 1963 catalogue showing the new streamlined look.
Recently got a late 50's on small brother, not quite as well made as the 1945ish Imp I had first. Just a curious quest to see how similar the Dawn Universal (1960's) is, close, not quite as smooth as the early Record thou.
An early dark blue paint, rounded mount (1930's) No 50 woodworking arrived around the same time and again, would be the nicest operation of 9 small woodworkers- Kinda impressed with them.
Both Imps are original paint-good to very good condition, will post when I've finished my Imp copy - 1949/50 Rapier- had a bad 9 months and just getting back into the swing of things- got so much piled up now- but all good, have made me smile on arriving.
Oh and always learning/trying new stuff, after 25 yrs using molasses in 20- to 800litre containers, added a fish tank warmer to my molasses ( 25ltr), works so much better, specially considering it's winter.
The above 75, just did a quick steel wool over the screw and slide, and a Fine wire brush in Dremel- 15 mins tops. Warm molasses , who would have thought it is so much better.
neophyte
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Maybe they used spring steel for the handle, and then spring tempered the steel ?
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I need dates gentleman, these are a rabbit hole I've been meaning to explore, very close if not identical to early 1917-1932ish Dawn. So which came first ? Was waiting to buy and compare a RAE in person not on paper, but you've gone and jumped the gun-
I have 4 of the early Dawn, and the rabbit ears (?)front of the Static are not that common -Just the RAE, Dawn and the 83 other makes I haven't seen.
twagler
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This little hobby vise is listed for sale locally. I'm just curious if anyone is familiar with this style and what it might have been used for. It seems to be more of a clamp than a vise actually since it doesn't seem like the jaws could open very far. Several other odd features:
- The jaws are tilted away from the user.
- Instead of a standard c-clamp for clamping onto a flat workbench, it has an odd y-shaped yoke which looks like it could also be clamped to a pipe or a round railing/bar, as well as a workbench.
Maybe fly-tying? or saw sharpening?
- The jaws are tilted away from the user.
- Instead of a standard c-clamp for clamping onto a flat workbench, it has an odd y-shaped yoke which looks like it could also be clamped to a pipe or a round railing/bar, as well as a workbench.
Maybe fly-tying? or saw sharpening?
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Thanks for sharing here, Kevin! I’ve never had the pleasure of owning one, but I’m glad to hear your assessment of their quality. Coming from you, that says a lot
There isn’t any date on the papers but the stamp on the envelope from McCoy Foundry that the catalog was mailed in looks like it was issued in 1954 and used until roughly 1962
They have metric sizes on the RAE stand
'Metrication in Canada began in 1970 and ceased in 1985. '
Would this be about right ? Was RAE still producing in the 70's ?
Outlawmws
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Sounds like AI hallucinations to me...
surely not- I turn all that AI **** off, better not have snuck back in.
A 1950 catalogue has the same pipe jaws and woodworkers pages, so you would be right on your dates ??
royce
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nice job Kevin
Outlawmws
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Better check, and yes, they turn that AI **** back on during "updates" all the time
while Canada has a mish mash of Imperial, SAE and Metric, they are far more metric than the US.
I upgraded to a top of the line Dynabook Portege which has a unique security system, deleted anything windows/google related soon as I received it 10 months ago and installed Linux. Will go back thru and check thou- been absolutely brilliant - just works, had no update breakdowns or being locked out of laptop etc since I ditched Windows and their invasive ****.
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What model/ year range have I picked up? This is after a quick solvent tank bath (and silicon carbide blasting of the jaw faces). $35 and included and a Sears 5177 (broken mount ear). It's at work but I think the jaws are 3" wide and with the slide flush with the back of the base it's open 3.5". With the screw still fully engaged and the slide still supported, it's just a hair over 4" open.
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The best proof I have of the dates is from the Postage Stamp Guide (see link below) that indicates that the 2 cent stamp on the envelope that the catalog came in was issued in 1954.
Queen Elizabeth II - Green - Ribbed Horizontally - Canada Postage Stamp
Discover details about the following stamp from Canada: Queen Elizabeth II - Green - Ribbed Horizontally. This stamp was issued by the Canada postal administration in 1954.
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I wasn't disputing your date, was just trying to say the catalogue pics back up your dates in my clumsy way. Most catalogue pics are the same for X number of years an more than likely the same for the 54 catalogue on.The best proof I have of the dates is from the Postage Stamp Guide (see link below) that indicates that the 2 cent stamp on the envelope that the catalog came in was issued in 1954.
Queen Elizabeth II - Green - Ribbed Horizontally - Canada Postage Stamp
Discover details about the following stamp from Canada: Queen Elizabeth II - Green - Ribbed Horizontally. This stamp was issued by the Canada postal administration in 1954.postagestampguide.com
Trying to understand the RAE is all-
These 3 are the early 1917-early 30's - different base, just curious about the crossover with RAE, maybe theirs none ?
Changed to this style in the mid 30's
