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I'm seeing some decent reviews for this one. I own one of those pedals and they're kind of trash so would retrofit another (keep in mind this uses an on-board pot on the pedal to set high). I may pull trigger on another one but this is the lowest I've seen this one. There's multiple different sellers at that price point so not posting link.

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I'm seeing some decent reviews for this one. I own one of those pedals and they're kind of trash so would retrofit another (keep in mind this uses an on-board pot on the pedal to set high). I may pull trigger on another one but this is the lowest I've seen this one. There's multiple different sellers at that price point so not posting link.

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Couldn't help myself so grabbed one of the pre-owned item ones. The stinger was missing so am following up w/seller. The quick-dinse connectors are kind of puny (12 mm maybe) but my 120 vevor MIG uses the same ones so used that to burn through a stick. Garage is a mess atm so just cobbled together a hose (one provided was too short 1/4" vinyl). Gas connection is also a barb fitting so that's kind of meh. For comparison, my even cheaper AC/DC TIG has larger Dinse (14 or 16mm) and a quick disconnect so I may end up swapping those over.

The reason I grabbed this one is the AC control in the other TIG is terrible, starting at 40A w/no ramp up. This one luckily is much better (went down as low as 10A but didn't work great breaking the oxide layer). The controls is similar to my cheapo one but this one has a panel control while the other is LCD so this one's a lot easier to setup/navigate.

The torch is a WP17, my other cheapo one came w/a WP22 w/a lot better build quality. I haven't retrofitted a pedal yet so ran some quick beads at low settings on some 1/16 ss & 1/8 aluminum.

Pros:
HF
AC/DC
cheap, small, light, build quality seems ok overall
Amperage down low appears good; more testing necessary

Cons:
Cut corners on dinse connectors, gas connector, torch, short ground & crappy clamp (gun is very long)
fan(s) on all the time and it's kind of loud....I may setup a thermal switch at some point.
Missing stinger , packing was not original and haphazard, 'more used than open box'.

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3pc BLACKHAWK PROTO THIN PROFILE FULLY POLISHED RATCHET SET 72 TOOTH 1/4 3/8 1/2

$44.99 + tax shipped.


Nice set, made in Taiwan. Check out the seller's other items for some other nice Blackhawk tools.

I do not need these ratchets, I do not need these ratchets, I do not need these ratchets...damn it! :ROFLMAO:
 

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Do you think KTC made this socket/ratchet set?
Check the forging marks.
Odds are Sears went to one of the top-shelf suppliers, KTC would have been one.
Did you check Alloy-Artifacts? He's been doing a LOT of work on Japanese tool makers.

from @lauver's list:
BF = probably Daido, possibly KTC, some USA made but predominantly Japanese made, ca. 1969 - 1987
 

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Japan was the original "Chineseum"
hmmm.... only up until the early-to-mid-1960s. by 1970 that dynamic had changed considerably.
Hong Kong and Taiwan were primary sources of low-end cheapie tools in the early 70s, prior to stuff coming in from mainland China (PRC).
Here is one of the brands I was peddling in the early 1970s:
Hollywood Accessories, El Segundo, California
bought a hell of a lot of tools from them.
And "Medallion" - another importer of similar product.
Our "everyday" price on this set was $8.88
We could run them on sale for $4.99 and still double our money at the stores, with a 25% margin for the warehouse.
"Warranties" were written up by the sales rep (Russell V. Horn) and tossed into the dumpster in back.
Store staff were instructed to replace the entire set if a customer brought one back with a complaint.
Sockets were made out of cheese.
Low-grade cheese at that.
 

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Thanks for the comment 4-C, you've got much more experience than me

I was thinking particularly of those 40 pc socket sets in metal cases from places like Sears and Kmart. So many broken sockets and stripped rachets :/

Pete
 

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Thanks for the comment 4-C, you've got much more experience than me

I was thinking particularly of those 40 pc socket sets in metal cases from places like Sears and Kmart. So many broken sockets and stripped rachets :/

Pete
My very first ratchet and socket set was given to me when I left home. I have no idea who made them or where they came from, all I know is the first time I tried to use them the ratchet just completely let go. The whole set room in the trash I wasn't going to trust.
 

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I was thinking particularly of those 40 pc socket sets in metal cases

^ The "40-piece" sets came a bit later. MOST of those were either from mainland China (PRC) or Taiwan.
We bought them from Wilmar, Medallion, and "Buffalo" (which can still be found in the second hand market.)
I just shipped one to another member - brand new unused set - for his kids.
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Buffalo 40-pc SAE & Metric socket set (ebay)

^ This is the one we sold the most of. Made in Taiwan. Sales rep was Cal Steiner. We finagled a deal with him on these and got them down to about $1.63 each (freight prepaid out of Los Angeles). Retailed them for $8.88 all day long. Ran them on sale for $4.99 a set.

While these were arguably the worst of the dregs at the very bottom of the barrel, let me share with you:

Early one day long ago, a young man walked into our Tillicum store on the first of the month with a pocket full of cash.
He bought an HS7733PT-2 Fel Pro head gasket set, a 40-piece Buffalo socket set, a set of 16 HL1817 Wolverine lifters, and a $29.95 reground "rump rump" camshaft.

Because these young men were not allowed to work on their vehicles on base, we allowed them to work on their cars in our parking lot. We had lots of room. (Only issues we had were the girls that would come out on payday and work Union Avenue - we'd have to go out and run them out of the parking lot every hour or so.*)

He went out the front door, lifted the hood on his little Camaro, and went at it. Every 20 or 30 minutes he'd come back in and buy another tool - pliers or a wrench or something, then go back out and tear into that engine.
By lunchtime, he had the cylinder heads off.

A couple hours later, he came in and bought a Wilmar 150-pound beam-type torque wrench to torque down the cylinder heads.
He drove off before dusk.

So, while admittedly these things were pure ****, I watched a guy with my own eyes R&R a set of heads on a small-block Chev engine using one of these, and the cheapest other **** tools we had for sale that day. (We had a whole wall of Indestro behind the counter, but he was just a low-level Private who was on a budget.)

A good carpenter never blames his tools.


(* Uncle Harold solved the issue with the girls. He went out and approached them, and told them they were free to use our parking lot to solicit, and he'd even let them use the sofa we had in the back in the "break room", but the deal was they had to do Uncle Mickey. One of them came in the front door, asked "Who's Mickey?" and when Mick looked up and grinned, she went right back out the door and they found another parking lot - probably down at Gertie's Grill.)
 
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LOL

Yeah that's it! Memory is a fickle thing. I'd swear I recognize the Buffalo insert. And for sure, many broke, because we were poor and bought them to use :)

I did an engine swap with mostly a larger set of Alltrades many years ago. Not as bad as those old 40 pc sets but not THAT much better, only broke one socket.

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Believe it or not, I used the same **** to disassemble a bunch of small blocks in the back of the Tillicum store one night:
pulled tinware, manifolds. Had one of the grunts clean up the valve covers and timing covers and other bracketry, paint them all with "Chevrolet Orange" engine enamel, and then we hung them up from a "clothesline" wire we strung up behind the front counter, each with a price sticker on it. I was amazed at how many pieces we sold. Didn't pull heads - we sent the stripped blocks down to Waterhouse Motors for rebuild and then sold them as short blocks and reman heads.
(Uncle Harold told me to leave the oil pans ON and let Waterhouse deal with the mess when they were pulled.)
 

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Uncle Harold was a real piece of work.
He was running a 62 (or 63?) Fairlane 260 V8 at Riverside on a 1/4 mile track.
He told me that the cam they shoved into it had so much overlap, in order to get the engine to fire they had to remove the air cleaner top, stuff a bunch of Kotex pads in around the air filter, douse the Kotex with alcohol, put the lid back on really quick, and then hit the key.
If it didn't fire, they'd have to stop and wait about 15 minutes and then start all over.
He drove a 1940s CJ jeep that he shoehorned a 215 Buick V8 into. Pretty wild machine.
He's the one who taught me that really good gin is best straight, at room temperature, in a very tall glass.
He really liked that one in the blue bottle with the old lady on the label. (y)
 

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I’ve pretty much convinced myself the Sears tools marked BF aren’t from a manufacturer, but from a distributer. It’s the initials of the founder of Fuller tools, Bernard H. ("Bernie") Fuller. I can’t prove it but it sure does fit. After reluctantly purchasing a set of Gedore India metric wrenches to handle the first metric bolts I encountered in the 70’s, I picked up a prettier BF craftsman set when I had to admit metric was everywhere. I found the BF set to be much better then the V stuff Craftsman was selling along side it.
 

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^ The "40-piece" sets came a bit later. MOST of those were either from mainland China (PRC) or Taiwan.
We bought them from Wilmar, Medallion, and "Buffalo" (which can still be found in the second hand market.)
I just shipped one to another member - brand new unused set - for his kids.
Buffalo 40 pc socket set (ebay 236956501013 01).jpg
Buffalo 40-pc SAE & Metric socket set (ebay)
I had one of those or pretty damn close to it when i was 13. Picked it up at a discount store around '78.
 

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I’ve pretty much convinced myself the Sears tools marked BF aren’t from a manufacturer, but from a distributer. It’s the initials of the founder of Fuller tools, Bernard H. ("Bernie") Fuller. I can’t prove it but it sure does fit. After reluctantly purchasing a set of Gedore India metric wrenches to handle the first metric bolts I encountered in the 70’s, I picked up a prettier BF craftsman set when I had to admit metric was everywhere. I found the BF set to be much better then the V stuff Craftsman was selling along side it.
OH?
You have any examples of anything else marked "BF"? :unsure:
Is this possibly something along the lines of the guy who was involved with National Hand Tool?
 

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^ somebody the other day just asked about Japanese made "Sears" tools. I looked at ebay and found a Japanese-made set in which there was a ratchet stamped "BF".

from @lauver's list:

BF = probably Daido, possibly KTC, some USA made but predominantly Japanese made, ca. 1969 - 1987

** Alloy-Artifacts has been doing some extensive work on expanding his site on Japanese and European tool makers. Be worth taking a look there to see if there's some tidbit there that might tie this together. **
 

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^ somebody the other day just asked about Japanese made "Sears" tools. I looked at ebay and found a Japanese-made set in which there was a ratchet stamped "BF".

from @lauver's list:

BF = probably Daido, possibly KTC, some USA made but predominantly Japanese made, ca. 1969 - 1987

** Alloy-Artifacts has been doing some extensive work on expanding his site on Japanese and European tool makers. Be worth taking a look there to see if there's some tidbit there that might tie this together. **



My Garage is undergoing a reorganization, and rather than find anything in there, I thought I would search the web for BF tools. Low and behold it brought me to AA, which turns out to have a pretty complete expose on Fuller and the Sears line of BF tools. It also seems to contradict the theory that Japan made garbage tools, until they learned to make good tools in the late 20th century, as is sometimes heard. I guess it depends on what one thinks of Sears BF and v-series and other US manufacturers.

 

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^ there are a lot of misconceptions. both Fuller and Truecraft were putting out respectable product. I've said before: I wish in retrospect that I'd changed from Indestro to Truecraft instead of Thorsen.
I think I just sent @LesserSon some "Fuller" pliers - he may have posted them in the "too many pliers" thread.
 
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