Lassen Forge
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My former employer still buys SK because, even though tiawanic, it still is held to a certain standard of usability.
You can buy the same tools under the dura tech brand for a third of the sk brand.
Not sure how to explain it more clearlyWhat do you mean?
Milwaukee went broke and sold out to Hong Kong with Chinese production years before Sears Craftsman and SK went bust.I don't believe that is the case. I think there maybe some bias in that based on technology improvements.
Milwaukee always was the commercial mechanical construction trades standard with the magnum hole shooters and band saws as well as the sawzall.
In the cordless nicad market their drills were the as good as anyone's. They also had 24v tools way back and had the first cordless band saw I remember in the 90s.
The market and technology has improved so have cordless tools. They have expanded their product line substantially, it being better is up for debate.
I always liked SK. They were the first tools I bought that were better than craftsman. I think the last tool I bought from them was the x frame wrenches but that was when they first came out. They aren't that impressive to me for the marketing they had. The first tools I bought from SK was in the early 90s and came from an industrial products door to door salesman. I bought the long fine tooth ratchets, wobble extensions and a 1/4" finger ratchet. Still have all of them.
I haven't bought any SK since the new ownership and probably never will. If you're going to buy a foreign made tool there are more cost effect options that are more readily available.
Not sure how to explain it more clearly
I never liked the SK ratchets and I am not sure why all of the hype here for them.
I suspect it is because many users are not exposed to newer offerings in the market.
I have said this many times, I really like the Gearwrench 90T ratchets and they are nicely made in Taiwan.
I believe they cost less than the SK- US or Chinese made.
Time to try new things and expand your criteria for what is acceptable to buy.
I'll take it.When I heard that SK was conglomerated by the Communists, I sent 'em an e-mail telling them I was done buying SK.
They offered to send me a $25 "gift certificate".
I told them to keep it. I don't own any "Milwaukee", either.



Milwaukee Tools got purchased by Atlas Copco, (a Swedish Conglomerate that manufactures heavy duty pneumatic tools for manufacturing and mining), back in 1995.Milwaukee went broke and sold out to Hong Kong with Chinese production years before Sears Craftsman and SK went bust.
Having read this, it’s 100% clear to me why some tools and tool companies ****. They are run by business majors, hedge fund managers etc. I want to buy tools from a company that loves tools and respects people who use tools.Milwaukee Tools got purchased by Atlas Copco, (a Swedish Conglomerate that manufactures heavy duty pneumatic tools for manufacturing and mining), back in 1995.
Atlas Copco had already purchased AEG’s Electric Tool division back in 1992.
Atlas Copco also bought Kango Ltd. a British manufacturer of hammer drills snd similar tools back in 1993.
Sioux tools got purchased by Snap-On in 1994.
At the time, Sioux was still making some electrical tools for Milwaukee, (or maybe Milwaukee was making those tools for Sioux).
Atlas Copco combined the various tool manufacturers as an electric tool producer, while still using the different brand names, and used the production for tools sold under the Atlas Copco, Kango, AEG, and Milwaukee brand names, although the tool models sold in different territories varied.
The more compact cordless tools were usually made in Germany by AEG, and production on those tools was later switched to the Czech Republic.
These tools also included some wired tools, such as hammer drills, and regular drills, although Milwaukee's US production facilities continued in many cases to make competing models that were also part of the lineup.
The “heavier duty” Milwaukee cordless tools were still made in the USA, and usually based on regular Milwaukee corded tools, just usually with different motors for 12-18v usually made and wound in the USA, and the plastic handles specialized for cordless battery attachment.
At this time, the German/Czech made Milwaukee cordless tools, were likely using Chinese made motors produced by a manufacturer called Acme, although judging by a cordless drill teardown test done by one of the woodworking magazines, 90+% of the various tool manufacturers were also using various Acme made motors for their cordless drill's.
(I believe the teardown article said that Dewalt and Makita were the exceptions).
Atlas Copco later decided to exit the handheld electrical power tool market in 2004, when that division got sold to TTI, likely loosing some of the money spent on all the tool manufacturers that had been purchased and combined.
Amazon decided to get into selling tools in 1999, and purchased Tool Crib of the North, and later an industrial supplier called “Small Parts Inc.” in 2005, which incidentally is the period, (1999-2005), when SK Tools purchased its way out from French ownership, (it had belonged to Facom Tools up until 2005, with Stanley purchasing Facom in 2006, which was likely the reason the US managers at SK bought the company out from Facom), and Atlas Copco was sold to TTI, and Porter Cable was sold to Black & Decker, etc.
Basically, Amazon and their price competition created a huge change in the tool industry which caused some manufacturers yo switch to Chinese manufacture, and others to go bankrupt. (SK went bankrupt due to losing their distribution network, because large bulk purchases by Amazon allowed Amazon to sell tools at less than the price individual smaller SK dealers were able to purchase tools at resulting in those tool dealers dropping SK, which led to SK going under).
TTI continued US production on a number of items after the purchase, but continued switching more and more products to Chinese production, including most or all of the cordless tool production.
Even after the TTI purchase, my understanding was that the US snd German design divisions may have continued to operate, although I am uncertain whether that is still the case.
It’s no fun.All of these comments when the simple answer is NO. Why can't anybody simply answer the question asked?
I think Atlas Copco wanted to make decent tools, that’s actually their business model.Having read this, it’s 100% clear to me why some tools and tool companies ****. They are run by business majors, hedge fund managers etc. I want to buy tools from a company that loves tools and respects people who use tools.
When Ideal bought SK, I got the overwhelming sense they knew nothing about tools and arrogantly thought they could get over. Their tools weren’t cheap and weren’t great. Together, that made me feel disrespected.
For our newer members, they had a company rep here making claims they were going to set up a line of tool trucks and sponson race car teams.
They also had the overwhelming hubris to think they could structurally optimize the combination wrench. For over a century combination wrenches have looked roughly as they do, yet SK Ideal, having made electrical switch plate covers, thought they could show everyone.
I like my Snap on tools. I think they care about us and about the tools they make. But I wish there were more makers like Koken, just crazy about tools and producing real innovation. I have no attraction to some of these tool conglomerates’ products. It’s like you don’t even need to tell us who owns them. You can see it in the tools they offer.
Seems to kinda miss the point of a discussion forum, don’t you think?All of these comments when the simple answer is NO. Why can't anybody simply answer the question asked?
MaybeSeems to kinda miss the point of a discussion forum, don’t you think?
The question asked was not asking for a discussion. If it were it would be asked: "Does anybody like S-K's new tools." It was, as I read it, asking for an answer. These are not the same thing.Maybe
When I heard that SK was conglomerated by the Communists, I sent 'em an e-mail telling them I was done buying SK.
They offered to send me a $25 "gift certificate".
I told them to keep it. I don't own any "Milwaukee", either.
I never liked the SK ratchets and I am not sure why all of the hype here for them.
I suspect it is because many users are not exposed to newer offerings in the market.
I have said this many times, I really like the Gearwrench 90T ratchets and they are nicely made in Taiwan.
I believe they cost less than the SK- US or Chinese made.
Time to try new things and expand your criteria for what is acceptable to buy.
The round heads were nice ratchets for the time, they certainly sold tens of thousands of them, and I didn't recommend that anyone purchase them today and don't think anyone did; just like I wouldn't recommend buying an old 30 tooth Snap On ratchet or the current Williams model.
I'm a huge fan of the GW 90T but they weren't available 20+ years ago.

The french pliers should be Bahco, or equivalent to Bahco, since the Bahco pliers of this tupe were originally made in France, by a manufacturer that made tools for Bahco, and Facom, and whose tool division is now wholey owned by Snap-On, who owns Bahco as part of Snap-On Europe.I bought an SK branded Western Forge adjustable wrench on closeout and it was standard WF quality. Nothing special. The China made SK sockets were identical to Duratech but 25% more expensive. They did have a green band. I bought a new China made SK water pump-ish plier that I really like. I had an older unbranded French made pair and thought the latest Bahco version are overpriced and not made in Spain anymore. The one I bought several years ago was nice. The SK have the size adjust mechanism I prefer and I am happy with them.
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The french pliers should be Bahco, or equivalent to Bahco, since the Bahco pliers of this tupe were originally made in France, by a manufacturer that made tools for Bahco, and Facom, and whose tool division is now wholey owned by Snap-On, who owns Bahco as part of Snap-On Europe.
That same manufacturer produced tools for Bahco, Facom, Peugeot, and probably other brands.
Bought a spare wheel kit for my Mazda, wheel jack sockets and extending 1/2" drive bar. Tried it out for the first time ,at home, the square twisted straight off the bar.
Utter junk, replaced by an ancient Britool made in England square and bar T handle. Will outlast me and I won't be left stuck with a flat tyre.
You pay domestic prices although a bit cheaper, not the Chinese price.
How about we replace everybody's job with a cheap import. And I mean everybody's job.
The Americans refusing to buy from the Chi-coms really makes me laugh.
Paying made in USA prices for marginal, made in China tools is what makes me laugh.
SK now Chinese, off shoring, quality concerns. Pisses people off.I am puzzled— What does this have to do with SK???
Yeah, so...You all are impossible to please and living 50 years in the past.
