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Private Lugnutz

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Here's an interesting pocket multi blade screwdriver
I missed this somehow until @Ayrhead replied. Fantastic find (or acquisition), OTG!

In case you didn't realize it, this is the tool that inspired the famous and much more common Shelton FOUR-IN-ONE and later Versatool, and inventor/co-founder Ray Lavietes cited Billings' patent (554046 / 1896) in his own patent (2662568 / 1953).
 

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Picked up this 1/2” Billings Life-Time set today. Pretty nice shape other than the box having some rust. I noticed the 7/8” is missing. The universal is an S-K.

100% made by Wright. Cool to find with the cross bar.
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Not new to antique tools but I haven't seen this B&S wrench before and can't find any information on it...
Welcome to GJ. I am moving your queries here from the other thread for continuity.
Grok says it's very rare...
It's rare. Or at least uncommon. Grok says everything that is called "rare" by other sources (unfortunately, typically market sources such as eBay, etc) is rare. In this case, it's not wrong.
Patent pending 1871
The marking I see is "PATENTED JUNE 6, 1871," which is the Barwick patent. B&S bought them out in 1876, dating your example to the later B&S period of making and offering them.

Here's the DATAMP page:

The Sticky at the top of this forum, the Vintage Tools Discussion Forum, has a number of resources, including some tips for researching tools, including this one.
The Directory of American Tool and Machinery Patents is also an excellent resource for collectors. You may search their database by patent number or patent date. You may also Google “DATAMP [mfgr’s name]”
If you plan on sticking around, read the Sticky, it has an A-Z Index of Threads (GJ, like most forums, is chronologically oriented and a multitude of threads are not showing on page 1), a link to an A-Z Index of Mfgrs, and much more.
 
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Welcome to GJ. I am moving your queries here from the other thread for continuity.

It's rare. Or at least uncommon. Grok says everything that is called "rare" by other sources (unfortunately, typically market sources such as eBay, etc) is rare. In this case, it's not wrong.

The marking I see is "PATENTED JUNE 6, 1871," which is the Barwick patent. B&S bought them out in 1876, dating your example to the later B&S period of making and offering them.

Here's the DATAMP page:

The Sticky at the top of this forum, the Vintage Tools Discussion Forum, has a number of resources, including some tips for researching tools, including this one.
Thank you, I didn't call it rare... I put a picture of it into Grok and it spit stuff out lol I just could not find one.
 

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I put a picture of it into Grok and it spit stuff out lol I just could not find one.
If a hand tool has a patent date, no patent number, as yours does, my first stop is DATAMP, as I recommended above. Hence, my link. If it's not in DATAMP, my next stop is digital archives of annual (in this case, 1871) USPTO gazettes on Smithsonian, Hathi Trust, or IA. Although AI is getting much better at making some of this research more expedient, I prefer Copilot or ChatGPT. I find Grok crude an unwieldy by comparison.
 

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@AlignmachineCo -
link to the LIST - you will find "Barwick" under "B"

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1872 Industrial Monthly - Barwick Wrench ad (patent 115678) pp

Barwick / Barwick Wrench Co., Boston, MA / wrench / patent 115678 Jun 6 1871 William Henry Barwick / "By 1876, Billings & Spencer had "purchased the entire stock, machinery, patent rights and good will" of the Barwick Wrench Company." /
 
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A 1/4" drive ratchet marked "BILLINGS VITALLOY 123" on one side, and "MADE IN USA M145" on the other. This one in the flat rectangular style handle seen on some other Fors patent New Britain made ratchets. Private Lugnuts posted an M145 earlier in the thread with a different handle. I'm not sure what the 123 is on mine.
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^Nice ratchet! I like those Fors. Especially the small ones.

I’m hoping you guys can help me with this one. I’M not sure what the fudge this thing is. It has to be somewhat modified, whatever it is. There is grinding all around. However, the remaining black paint looks original. The screwdriver and pick ends look, well, original. I think.

The tips are notched inside for gripping something.

A look inside the handles reveals some nice markings.

What in the world is it?

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^ No idea, @3baygarage - but the shape, construction and simple free-swinging pivot operation make me think "tongs" instead of "pliers," categorically.

I don't recall seeing anything like them in B&S catalogs or trade mag ads. Although Billings did make tongs. Chain tongs, most notably.

A series of questions about the spike end handle. Does it contact the screwdriver end handle like a stop? Or does it bypass it? Also, does that 90* bend at the very end look like a user mod bend? Or a factory bend?

Oddly, and somewhat counter-intuitively to the initial "tongs" categorization, I will admit that if the openings in those three jaws were serrated, it would be more reminiscent to me of "gas and burner" pliers, for various size pipes and pipettes, including the tiny opening. And note that many of those, a few of which I own, had handles with chisel and spike ends. But they were shorter and more robust, not thin and long and looking like tongs.
 

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^Nice ratchet! I like those Fors. Especially the small ones.

I’m hoping you guys can help me with this one. I’M not sure what the fudge this thing is. It has to be somewhat modified, whatever it is. There is grinding all around. However, the remaining black paint looks original. The screwdriver and pick ends look, well, original. I think.

The tips are notched inside for gripping something.

A look inside the handles reveals some nice markings.

What in the world is it?

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Valve and Cotter Pin tool
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Thank you MAD! Excellent work! I didn’t see it in any materials or available patents.

Ayrhead, I was thinking hose removal. Gripper, with a hose pick and screwdriver for clamps.

Lugz, I looked at these back in November on the seller’s table and wrote them off as a modified tool. Modified gas pliers immediately came to mind, as it looks like grinding around the tool. That would be an insane mod, all that material removed. Anyway, I knew the jaw shape wasn’t quite right, nor the inset handles. The end tools looked original, with some remaining “laquer” as the ad says. To answer your question, the handles stop and the tools don’t make contact.

I’m glad the seller brought them back. He told me a lot of guys looked at them and had no idea. He thought the handles were modified to shape but the traces of paint near the ends were telling me otherwise.
 

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Thank you MAD! Excellent work! I didn’t see it in any materials or available patents.

Ayrhead, I was thinking hose removal. Gripper, with a hose pick and screwdriver for clamps.

Lugz, I looked at these back in November on the seller’s table and wrote them off as a modified tool. Modified gas pliers immediately came to mind, as it looks like grinding around the tool. That would be an insane mod, all that material removed. Anyway, I knew the jaw shape wasn’t quite right, nor the inset handles. The end tools looked original, with some remaining “laquer” as the ad says. To answer your question, the handles stop and the tools don’t make contact.

I’m glad the seller brought them back. He told me a lot of guys looked at them and had no idea. He thought the handles were modified to shape but the traces of paint near the ends were telling me otherwise.
I’ll keep my eyes 👀 open for a set up here in Ontariariarioooo, Canada. Just curious, if you don’t mind letting me know how much they set back.. thanks, Ayrhead
 

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Lugz, I looked at these back in November on the seller’s table and...
^ Rgr/Ack all. Google Books (as @MAD 's source) for the win, again! Although, I have to say, as good as it as a source, I don't know that I would've had a good expedient result, because I don't mind admitting that neither "cotter pin" or "valve" would've been my search terms. And, I'll hazard to say that I don't think this tool lasted too long in production.
 

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I got lucky with my search terms and only ended up with a few other rabbit holes bookmarked to distract me from my chores another time. :)
 

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I got lucky with my search terms and only ended up with a few other rabbit holes bookmarked to distract me from my chores another time. :)
Those old magazine ads are great. Funny, there aren’t even many hand tools in that one!

How about the name too, The Accessory And Garage Journal !
 

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How about the name too, The Accessory And Garage Journal !
Comes up as a source in quite a few of my Google Books searches. I was tickled by the name for the same and needless to point out reasons, and remarked on it here... :)
As if by a stroke of divine provenance, one of the coolest period ads I have found for this set was featured on the cover of the October 1920 issue of a trade mag called, of all things, “The Accessory and Garage Journal”.
By the way, full credit where full credit is due, with a nod to @LesserSon for prompting me to emphasize Google Books' affiliations, that particular edition that @MAD found came to Google Books for digitization - and access to the rest of us in the entire free internet world - by way of the University of Michigan library. Stanford is another major, major contributor.
 

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I've just finished scanning and uploading Billing & Spencer's 33rd catalog.
First of all, welcome to GJ! Many thanks for doing that and for letting us know. Making digital versions of vintage catalogs available to all for their information value while still retaining the collectible value of the hard copy for yourself is the kind of esprit de corps greatly appreciated here on GJ and elsewhere. Kudos to you.
As for year of publication, 1914 was my best bet, but it could be wrong.
What rationale did you use to date it? That would be helpful to know.
If you have any info, let me know so I can try to correct it.
It looks like you uploaded it directly to IA. If you go to the Billings & Spencer section of the International Tool Catalog Library, part of IA, linked HERE, and sorted in descending chronological order of publication, there are a number of other B&S catalogs that might help you (and all of us) refine the date on the "33rd Edition".

For example, note that there are several pages of a Gibson Company (hardware store) catalog dedicated to B&S tools dated to 1915. That would be a good comparator to see how the tools match up.

Secondly, note that the 36th Edition has been dated to 1926.

Alloy Artifacts (AA) has a copy of the 37th Edition (1929) and the 35th Edition (1923) in their library.

We can't use straight math to definitively deduce the date of the 33rd Edition, and they didn't start using a date-aligned publication numbering scheme until the 1940's, e.g., "No. W-48-2" for a 1948 wrenches only brochure, "No. 49" for a 1949 catalog), but if we follow the pattern shown by the 37th (1929), 36th (1926), and 35th (1923) of publishing an edition every three years, that would make the 34th Edition 1920 and the 33rd Edition 1917.

I have done some analysis based on the ratchets, which I offer for your consideration.

Page 33 shows a beautiful artistic rendering of the "Allen-Friction" ratchet, which was patented (1,000,878), by Mr. F.R. Allen, in 1910. So far so good.

Page 36, however, shows an "Allen-Universal" ratchet, which was Mr. Allen's second patent (1,261,092), not granted until 1918, and the accompanying text does not read as if the ratchet is making its debut. It reads like it's been in their catalog before. He applied for the patent in 1914, so it's technically not impossible that he may have been licensing the design to B&S that early, and they in turn may have already been making and offering it in catalogs that early, but I do find it implausible.

Going back to the B&S section in the 1915 Gibson Company hardware catalog, note that it includes the "Allen-Friction" ratchet (1910), but it does not include the "Allen-Universal" ratchet (1918).

I would call all this 'vaguely homing in on' late teens (1917-1919) for the 33rd, but just food for thought. It's great to have it, regardless of the exact publication date.
 
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I have posted my "Allen-Friction" ratchet in the Allen Wrench and Tool Co. thread before, but it's been years, and taking advantage of the wonderful 33rd Edition catalog, I will gladly double-dip here...

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Found one of the Billings SPECIALs. This is a double-head tool-post wrench with the open-end made thinner than normal and the combination of openings not matching any wrench in this series in their 1926 catalog.
This one has a 3/4” milled opening on the open-end and a 1/2” milled opening on the box end. The box end was 9/16” thick and the open-end was 5/16” thick. Overall length was 6.5”.
The closest wrench in the catalog was their #1825.

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Found this 7/16 701 lathe wrench in a box load I brought home. Just now going thru a lot of it piece at a time. Hit this one with some Flitz after I wiped off some cosmoline type coating. Don’t believe it’s ever touched a fastener. Look at the grind / grain on the face marked Billings… Nice lil piece. IMG_5757.jpegIMG_5758.jpeg
 

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660A DOE with original japanning. Probably never used.

I have other well worn examples somewhere but this is the one never dumped in the drawer mess.
Well made tools. Few are spread or worn.
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