So that’s like the thing, right? Where does it end when you go down that path? Do you not buy something if it’s only assembled here? Do you buy if the raw materials are US-sourced but the finished product is made overseas? It’s a real headache.Even if something is made in USA doesn’t mean it has to be 100% USA. Where did the steel come from? Was it in raw, billets, or blanks? Where was forging done? Grinding, polishing, heat treatment. Chroming (here comes the EPA)? Then there’s packaging. Is the plant in a US foreign trade zone FTZ? Some stuff that says made in USA is kinda not.
Key phrase "back then" so too were Mercedes Benz and BMW both of which are now bottomless money pits. All that counts is today and tomorrow. Yesterday doesn't matter anymore.When I started as an apprentice mechanic in the mid ‘70’s, several of the older mechanics recommended I buy SK. Less expensive the Snap-On or Mac. A lot of the guys in the shop had SK tools back then. SK was well respected and a a solid value back then.
The FTC has specific legal guidelines for a product to be marked "made in USA." The product must be “all or virtually all” made in the United States. They state that it is deceptive to label a product “Made in the United States” or to use equivalent unqualified claims such as “Manufactured in USA,” “Built in USA,” “American-made,” unless the final assembly or processing of the product occurs in the United States, all significant processing that goes into the product occurs in the United States, and all or virtually all ingredients or components of the product are made and sourced in the United States. The product must contain no, or only very negligible, foreign content. Violations of these guidelines are classified under the FTC Act and civil penalties can result.Even if something is made in USA doesn’t mean it has to be 100% USA. Where did the steel come from? Was it in raw, billets, or blanks? Where was forging done? Grinding, polishing, heat treatment. Chroming (here comes the EPA)? Then there’s packaging. Is the plant in a US foreign trade zone FTZ? Some stuff that says made in USA is kinda not.
I almost did. I was able to find almost no reviews on it. Just a couple people on YouTube who liked them.Has anyone tried SK’s fairly new modular or stackable metal toolboxes?
I needed some larger metric wrenches to fix my vehicle last year. I spent $41.73 for a Williams made in USA wrench and $29.81 for a second Williams made in USA wrench.Many members say this, but they are unwilling to pay $66 US for a single wrench.
The market conditions make it extremely difficult for tool manufacturers to keep production in the US and prices affordable so that the offering is competitive.
@Fedwrench got some a while back I seem to recallHas anyone tried SK’s fairly new modular or stackable metal toolboxes?
Your memories are too good@Fedwrench got some a while back I seem to recall
I have a three-piece set up I use in my home office. I like it. all keyed alike.It was an easy recall. You got those at the same time I dipped my foot in the ModBox pool and wanted to check them out before I dove in head first. But now that I’m swimming in a sea of orange, I’ll just admire that purty green from afarYour memories are too goodI have a three-piece set up I use in my home office. I like it. all keyed alike.
Yep.They lost all appeal to me after they started importing their products.
If I want to buy import tools there’s a lot better options and availability.
Being USA made was one of the few selling points for SK in my opinion.
Pretty good summary of the 132 posts you missed.Sorry, don't have the time to read 132 posts. SK was pretty good, 20 years ago. I have some of their sockets, which I use quite often. Then prices started going up, and up. Then the buyout and now everything from China. I now have zero interest in SK. Really. Zero. Actually, less than zero. Goodbye SK, it was great to know you.
I have hundreds of SK tools from each SK era. Regarding the "modern" SK tools, I have purchased and worked with their X frame ratcheting wrenches which are excellent. Regarding foreign made tools, when I can put an american made Snap-On repair kit in an ICON G2 ratchet made in Taiwan, it does make me wonder. I also have a good selection of Koken, Stahlwille, and Wiha German and Japan made tools. These are as good as any. Some Klein, Channel lock, and Wright tools are still made in the USA. There may be a few others. Regarding SK, their east coast US warehouse is in Williamsport PA. When I need warranty for my old SK ratchets, they send replacement parts at no charge and no postage. Great customer service. Thier modern dual pawl ratchet heads fit in my 1940 beavertail SK 1/2 inch drive ratchet. I will post a pic.Just checked the SK website after not visiting it for several years. Almost everything is made in China now. Pretty much everything but the chrome sockets and pliers. I know they were bought out by a Chinese company a long time ago but the majority of the hand tools were going to still be made in the US. I'm just curious who's paying $65 for a Chinese made 15/16" combination wrench, $100 for a Chinese 12" adjustable, or nearly $700 on a made in china deep impact socket set. Even the ratchets now are listed as "Assembled in USA with domestic and globally sourced components"
How is that different from TTI, who owns the Milwaukee brand, and makes most of their tools in China?SK now Chinese, off shoring, quality concerns. Pisses people off.
Brit industry went the same way, nothing much to celebrate because tools are a bit cheaper.
An idea. How much should a home country made wrench cost, anchored to the cost of Big Macs.will not pay $66 US, cost for ONE U.S. produced wrench
Milwaukee does not get a free pass. They earned it.How is that different from TTI, who owns the Milwaukee brand, and makes most of their tools in China?
Does Milwaukee get a pass, or what?
Obviously the size of the wrench is a HUGE factor in price, but assuming a simple 3/4" chrome combo wrench, where are you getting wrenches that expensive?3) SK cheated me and my fond ‘American Made’ memories by selling out to the ChiComs and killing off U.S. manufacturing (Yet, these are the ones who will not pay $66 US, cost for ONE U.S. produced wrench, but quietly turn fasteners with Asian Gearwrench)
The new owners of SK are walking dangerously down the same path as SBD with Porter-Cable.
Obviously the size of the wrench is a HUGE factor in price, but assuming a simple 3/4" chrome combo wrench, where are you getting wrenches that expensive?
McMaster has a USA 3/4" combo wrench for less than $25, it'll most likely be a Proto or a Williams, I just got a small wrench from them the other day and it was a Williams, and it was $15 I think.
Even Snap-on was less than your $66 (albeit only by a few bucks).
For the sake of this argument, let's assume since I'm looking at SK wrenches, I wasn't going to buy a Snap-on wrench.
I would expect an imported wrench to be roughly 50% of the cost of the USA wrench.
SK is charging $25 for their made in China wrench.
Tekton wants $10, so less than half.
Craftsman wants like $17
Gearwrench wants MORE than USA at $35
I know I could keep looking, and these prices are just quick google numbers.
So, I can buy USA wrenches for LESS money than SK, and import wrenches at HALF or less.
Why should I buy SK if they are no longer made in USA to support the price premium?
That was a great article.Related to the above, a comparison of TTI and SBD's approaches https://www.worseonpurpose.com/p/your-power-tools-got-worse-on-purpose
I have not handled the new Chinese SK personally, but my general impression has always been they are fine quality, but priced wrong.I think you had a great post and I enjoyed reading it.
I disagree with this.
I think the new SK Chinese tools are nicely made.
I also think their Chinese owner / conglomerate “Great Star” is a highly intelligent company and able to steer this ship into the future.
Tool prices vary widely (and wildly) in the U.S. It seems from one week to the next, prices can fluctuate 20-40 percentage points.
I would not buy SK wrenches if U.S. made Williams were available for less money.
That said, the SK Chinese quality is very nice. Provided it is priced correctly.
I have not handled the new Chinese SK personally, but my general impression has always been they are fine quality, but priced wrong.
I even said that the quality of SK's offerings is the one place they are OK with right now.
TTI bought the hand held electric power tool division from Atlas Copco, whose hand held electric power tool division consisted of Milwaukee and AEG, and Kango, and I forget what else, (now including the licensed Ryobi brand), in 2005.Related to the above, a comparison of TTI and SBD's approaches https://www.worseonpurpose.com/p/your-power-tools-got-worse-on-purpose
Continued.TTI bought the hand held electric power tool division from Atlas Copco, whose hand held electric power tool division consisted of Milwaukee and AEG, and Kango, and I forget what else, (now including the licensed Ryobi brand), in 2005.
That was the same year Milwaukee introduced their 28v Lithium battery system.
At the time, Milwaukee cordless tools were mostly made in the USA, or Germany, with the Czech Republic possibly being the other manufacturing location, although I’m not sure what year the switch from Germany to the Czech Republic happened.
The German/Czech made cordless tools had been sold in the USA for a while under the Milwaukee brand name, but only for certain tool models, particularly for the dual speed hand held drill drivers, in 12v, 14v and 18v models, as well as for a few other tools, such as a cordless jigsaw.
The heavier duty Milwaukee cordless tools continued to be made in the USA, usually with motors that were likely actually made in the USA, but made for 18v.
The “German/Czech” tools from my understanding were likely using Chinese made Acme built motors, at least that was what a woodworking magazine that fid a tool teardown claimed, and this was true about most cordless tools included in the teardown, except Dewalt and Makita.
Milwaukee introduced the 28v lithium system because they felt the NiCd and NiMH

This is also not really connected to my prior posts, but it’s just something I thought of and is worth posting.
Is it not ok to have grief, mourning or sadness over something that you like that has changed?
Say what you like about progress, global trade, the economy, jobs, quality, etc.
Sometimes people just are sad that a thing they liked is changing, and possibly for the worse?
I for one, am sad SK is leaving US manufacturing because I LOVE US manufacturing. I am a maker of things in this USA, and as a result am directly tied to the tools and machines it takes for me to do my job.
All you have to do is look at photos of all the factories and manufacturing shops of days gone by to see what we lost. Kearney and Trecker. American Tool Works. Monarch. Leblond. Cincinnati. Brown and Sharpe. Acme Gridley. Pratt and Whitney. Oliver. Pexto. Atlas. Carlton. Warner and Swasey. And on and on. Rows and rows of machines that are from names that are either gone or just a shell of their former glory.
And that is sad to me.
So it makes me sad when a company that has a long history of US manufacturing move on to their next chapter that isn’t here. Sherman-Klove tools are now in the same list as so many others.
To a lot of people, tools are just things. Means to an end. No different than the rest of the stuff on the shelves of the store.
But some of us who work in manufacturing feel differently.
My shop is filled with machines and tools from all eras, but my favorites to use are the ones from the 40’s through the 60’s. They just have a different energy.
These names made things like the Apollo missions, the SR-71, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, Hoover Dam and countless other things that we don’t even think about on a day to day basis.
My grandpa was a welder on the Mackinac Bridge.
We used to make things in this country, dammit!
Alright alright, I’ll get down off my box and go back into the shop and be quiet…
I mean, yeah. I know this.
My whole point was that for some, it’s just a funeral.
You wouldn’t mock someone for being sad a funeral, I hope.
PR ********, likely written by TTI’s advertising agency.Related to the above, a comparison of TTI and SBD's approaches https://www.worseonpurpose.com/p/your-power-tools-got-worse-on-purpose
As I said, Milwaukee gets a pass here.Continued.
Milwaukee introduced the 28v Lithium battery system, because they felt the NiCd and NiMH battery cells available at the time weren’t up to the performance requirements of most types of cordless tools, particularly reciprocating saws, and circular saws, and rotary hammers, etc.
I don’t know whether Milwaukee, or AEG, or Atlas Copco, was responsible for the observation about the NiCd and NiMH cells, or whether TTI was, or the development of the Lithium battery system, although odds are it was at least one of the brands before TTI got involved.
That 28v line of tools was later canceled, leaving the 28v tool line orphaned, and the users out of luck.
If I recall correctly, the batteries were also huge as f@ck, to a ridiculous degree.
Milwaukee later came out with an 18v line of Lithium cordless tools, with that line of tools having enough issues, that that line of tools was also cancelled, leaving the users with an orphaned line of useless tools.
Maybe this was the line of Milwaukee lithium tools were the batteries were backward compatible with the older NiCD and NiMH tools.
The 18v lithium battery system was then redesigned into the current system, which actually seems to work well.
All it took was two completely different failed lithium battery systems, to get introduced, and discontinued, screwing over customers, to come up with their current “superior” offering.
As far as the actual tools go, the former US and German/Czech tools have all as far as I know been cancelled, with production moved to China, and many of these tool models were arguably some of the best engineered cordless tools of their day.
Most of the tool models wound up getting made shittier.
Milwaukee did introduce brushless motors, improving performance, and/or battery life, but most other cordless tool brands have done similar, so it’s hardly a distinguishing advancement for Milwaukee/TTI.
A bunch of the other corded tools Milwaukee was producing in the USA, had production shifted to China, leading to a decline in quality.
Milwaukee has introduced a bunch of newer cordless tools that were not previously available, bit so has almost every other power tool manufacturer, including Dewalt Stanley Black & Decker.
Sh!tting on Stanley Black & Decker in comparison to TTI is simply unfair, and a number of ways untrue.
The site covers a wide range of topics (e.g. appliances) and is reader funded. It seems far from being a shill.PR ********, likely written by TTI’s advertising agency.
It’s not like there’s an abundance of choices.As I said, Milwaukee gets a pass here.
Why?As I said, Milwaukee gets a pass here.
