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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Three Single Car Garages, Thatched Cottage: an inefficient use of space!

Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
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Thanks man! It definitely feels like one of those sliding piece puzzles!

Yeah we weren't actually all that interested in a thatch, but everything else about the house lined up perfectly so we went for it. Luckily we've only got one close set of neighbours that own all the fields around our house...and they've got a thatch too! So they'd be just as nervous about fireworks as we would be (and they've got enough land to do it miles away if they still wanted to).

Do you mean the flue? If so then yes it was plated up to stop drafts (and mosquitoes, which were terrible with it open). It had a couple of manky old ply boards in it previously, and about a foot and a half thickness of twigs the various nesting birds of 20 years had dropped down it. But now it's capped on both ends with a little vent tube for expansion.

I'm not sure it ever had a proper inglenook sitting-place within the fireplace, though it's certainly big enough for one provided your fire's not too ambitious. That's not really necessary with the stove, that thing's ferocious! Though it would mean I could keep a closer eye on my bannocks and rice pudding I make on the top plate :D
 
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Next couple of jobs done on the garage.

First one was finishing cladding the back face.

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I wanted to get everything buttoned up behind the garages before cladding the back of the corridor as I've been using the open studwork as a thoroughfare, and this is the access once it's buttoned up:

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So I spent a little while finishing the soffits on the far side, which I can only really access from the back.

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Because I'm not wholly convinced there won't be differential movement between the two garages I've left a gap between them and the corridor studwork. I can close it on one side by overlapping the cladding, but I'll have to come up with something to sort the other closing faces. Open to suggestions!

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But either way, cladding at the back sorted:

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And finished the front with offcuts:

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Then it's back to lugging tiles up onto the roof whenever I've got a helper around to work the bucket at the lower end. I'm up to about 15% so far, which probably means it'll be a couple of months of evenings at the present rate. Still taking it somewhat easy while the back heals.

I am very excited at not having to do anything on the back of the garages anymore though. Working halfway into a mix of hawthorn and blackthorn hedge was getting a little bit tiresome!
 
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You're doing some lovely work there OP.
It all looks so genuine and proper.
Do you have an order of priority for the various project cars?
 
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Thanks!

Now, there's a question! There's probably an order that things should be done in, and an order that I'd prefer them to be done in. And some rationalisation that needs to happen.

The Citroen BX (which just needs a clutch, clutch cable, and general refresh) and the Alfa 156 (which also just needs a bit of a refresh) aren't far from being sorted. But they're also probably the ones that are closest to being on the chopping block for selling (along with the Lada, which needs a bit more work). I keep umming and arring about selling them though.

The Rover needs an axle and something looking at with the engine as it's sounding very tappety. It's probably the cam having wiped a lobe. Oh, and something sorting with the exhaust as it sounds great but there's a horrible boom. But there's halfway decent motivation for that one. This one's either a keeper, or the mate I bought it from would quite like it back (though is in a similar position to me around car storage).

The X1/9 has an Uno Turbo engine in it, but the headgasket went when a jubilee clamp let go on the motorway. One of only two janky ones I hadn't replaced with good quality versions...which I had in the footwell waiting to be done. I have another engine that needs a rebuild, but is hopefully not warped. It's also picked up a fair few rust scabs from sitting outside (so I'm very pleased it's finally under cover). There's a few other bits that need doing on this, like a new set of synchros as the previous lot were wrecked by a misdiagnosed pinhole leak in the clutch line. This one's a keeper.

The Alfa 75 has a 24v engine that's in a state of partial assembly (I bought it from a guy who was partway through rebuilding it, but span the crank without the liners held down which disturbs the o-ring at the bottom). As far as I can tell that's the only major issue, though there's likely to be more from sitting. And unfortunately all of the valves and buckets got mixed up during the move when my dad lifted a box and they all fell off their places (I don't really blame him for this, he wasn't to know). This one's probably a keeper.

The one that's closest to being on the road is the MGF, which just needs a refurbed set of spheres fitting, the brakes bleeding and a new set of jubilees on the coolant hoses to avoid a Fiat situation again. However, this one is also potentially on the chopping block, but is worth so little that I don't know if it's worth selling at all (the spec is great, but it's a very old tired example). I keep wondering if it's worth buying another nicer example and swapping all the good bits over. No idea what to do with this one.

The one I really want to finish is the Spitfire. It's my first proper project, and I've pretty much completely rebuilt it, but it still needs a decent amount of work. Full rewiring, all fuel and brake lines plumbing, decent amount of fabrication, fuel injection system, some fibreglass panelwork, and plenty of other bits. There's also some rectification work that needs doing where I did things when I was still learning that need fixing. Stupid stuff like building the engine up without cleaning off the yellow wax gunk from the machine shop, which usually has a bunch of swarf in it (though in all honesty, it was so long ago I can't remember if I did it or not!). This one's definitely a keeper.

The Maserati 228 is shot. It was my dad's old car, and I can remember him driving me to school in it, but it got halfway through a resto and then life got in the way for him. Now it's rustier than ever, has had the roof dented by a falling tree, and the kicker is that the windscreen got smashed and they only made 400ish of them in the first place. I could fix this (it's within my capabilities), but every sensible bone in my body is telling me I shouldn't (I've grown a few more of these recently...).

Out of shot I also have a Triumph 2000 that I'm partway through fitting an AJ6 into. That needs about as much work as the Spitfire, if not a little more as the bodywork still needs sorting.

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And a Jag XJ40 that I've swapped a BMW M57 into. This has been my daily driver for a number of years and is about 90% done, but is currently off the road with electrical problems. I know what these are though, which is a start! It also needs the diff rebuilding properly as the company I got to do it shimmed the stub axles incorrectly (which provide the upper location for the spindles), and paint.

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All of this is made a little worse as I've just bought this:

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This is a 1989 Maserati 222E (the updated Biturbo where they fixed a bunch of the issues that gave them a bad rep). I've been waiting for a RHD manual 2-door Biturbo to come along at a time I could afford one for basically my entire life, and of course the only one that does appears when I've got this level of space and time crunch going on :D but I kept being told 'there's no good time to do these things' when I was asking for 6 months more before we started having a kid, so I figured I'd see if that applies to other things in life (luckily it does, my other half is very patient!).

This was running beautifully when the guy sent me a video before viewing it, but he'd run it out of petrol and it had developed a misfire by the time I actually came to see it. I'm figuring crud in the injectors. Hopefully a simple fix. The cambelt's a bit old, and it needs a general health check (valve clearances etc.) but other than that it's got a clean MoT! It does have a couple of rust scabs, which is par for the course for these.

So yeah, first priority is the garage (if only so I can shuffle everything up and get our parking space back at the front). Then there's a few cars that are very close to being roadworthy again (Mas, MGF and Jag). There's probably some that need selling. Then I don't know which to do next!

Whichever it is, what I shouldn't do is what I've done so far: potter on with half a dozen different projects at once. It's an efficient use of time, but there's a reason I'm stuck driving a boring 2010s Passat and not one of any of my cool cars.
 
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Right, a few more jobs progressed which I'm posting about now even though they're not done because I'm managed to tweak my back again so I'm back onto light duties. Same place as before but not so bad this time, just trying to do too much too quickly. Very frustrating being on the slow train with recovery. But I've learnt my lesson of not resting it properly when it's at this stage (believe it or not!). My main issue is knowing what's too much to be doing at any given point on the recovery, which is a bit of a moving feast...

But hey ho, there's been progress nonetheless.

25% of tiles now up on the roof.

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I've started boarding in some more of the RH garage, which has helped clear a bit more space on the floor. I can nearly walk around the place now!

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I've also been working on getting the corridor finished as a break from tiling, which was working until recently! Insulation fitted (which also cleared a boatload more space), and roof clad in offcuts from more reclaimed boards.

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I've also used some of this stuff to fill in the expansion gaps between the walls, which is really rather nice stuff to work with. Turns out £15-a-can expanding foam is way nicer than £6-a-can stuff. Who'd have thought it?

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And lastly I've started a bit of the ground prep for the parking area down the side of the garage, which should let me shuffle everything up a bit and reclaim the parking space at the end of our driveway.

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Right, next few bits of stuff that's not as strenuous as tiling.

Cut the face off a few bricks to pop in the gaps between the corridor dwarf wall and the main garages. Not the prettiest thing in the world, but it's a lot better than blue expanding foam! Then filled the back of them with more flexible expanding foam with a bit of stainless rodent mesh embedded in it to help discourage visitors.

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Then roped my father in law into helping me pop the cladding up.

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I've made a sort of slip-joint between the garages and the corridor to take up differential movement. Again, not the prettiest, but it's better than exposed blue foam (and probably less flammable too...

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Then start of a workbench. I trialled a 1m tall top which would let me sneak one of my current toolboxes under there on its casters, but it was just high enough to be irritating to work on. So it's 96cm (38") tall like all of the rest of the benches I've made, which I've found to be a nice height for 5'7" me. As a rule of thumb it's just about the height you can comfortably rest an elbow on if you lean slightly.

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Reinforced ends for vice mounting...

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...and an 18mm hardwood ply top.

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I then spent the rest of the evening plotting out layout designs, for which I need to draw up some pictures as I tend to work in my head for this sort of stuff. As always this is going to be a lesson in compromise.

It's this sort of clever layout and functional design of working areas that I came to GJ for so I'm hoping to incorporate some stuff I've picked up from here, and if anyone has any ideas as we go along I'd love to hear them!

I'm also up for recommendations for good threads for that functional design stuff. I've found it tricky to find the parts of threads where people talk through those bits as they're often sprinkled throughout longer threads rather than in dedicated sections, and with everyone having different desires around what a garage should be it's tricky to find out which threads will have what you're after in them. Especially ones that are 150 pages long!

I suppose if I had to define the scope of my garage it's like so:
  • Function over form. The garage is a tool to deliver car projects, rather than the main project itself. I love a pretty garage, but I just don't have the time to deliver one at this stage in my life.
  • Small garage mentality in a medium space. The space I have for workbenches and things is actually rather limited despite the on-paper floorspace. Big for anyone in the UK that's not a farmer, probably kinda small for most people in the States.
  • However, some approaches from bigger garages are probably still relevant. Although it's 757sq ft internal space, there's a 183ft meander from the corner of the LH garage to the opposite corner of the RH garage, so things that cut down on the amount of walking form one side to the other are still useful.
  • A bit of behavioural economics to try and encourage me to keep the damn thing tidy!
 
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Right, terrible 30-second sketch of what I'm currently thinking.

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  • Welder will need to sit just round the corner in the main project garage, but poking out far enough that the torch and clamp will reach the vice nicely.
  • Workbench with at least 1 vice (probably the big one) in the corridor with a tool wall behind it for quick access. One side of the workbench will have the smaller toolbox under it, probably shorn of its casters as it won't fit otherwise.
  • Opposite that will be the big toolbox and topper. Potentially with the pillar drill next to it, with space for jacks underneath. Axle stands hooked up above it probably.
  • Big heavy welders curtains to partition off the messy grinding area from the clean garage on the right. Paint cabinet opposite.
  • Smallish workbench on wheels as the first thing in the clean garage, which would let me move it out of the way to get access to the lathe motor. Mostly kept clear, but with stuff like the paraffin bath held underneath.
  • Decently-sized Colchester Student lathe, which will need to be spaced forwards enough to get the motor out of the back without moving it. This will lose a bit of depth.
  • Another little workbench with my mini-mill on it, probably made from steel and shimmed/bolted so it's level and solid.
  • Opposite the mill will be a little workbench with my new 3D printer and supplies on it that's been sitting in a box for 9 months.
  • Opposite all of that will be a floating 'clean' workbench on casters that I can pull engines or gearboxes apart on, which was always a challenge in my other garages.
  • Behind all of that will be another long length of welder's curtain that can section off the clean bit from the area in front in case anything in that area needs grinding, or I need to do any painting.

I'm not 100% settled on this as a layout. I'd like to get the lathe in a better location that lets me have a longer section of unbroken workbench rather than a couple of separate ones, but it's tricky to find a good location for it. Especially as you need a decent area behind it for servicing.

Any ideas welcome!
 
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Ok, better picture, better design.

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Spin the lathe around 180, which means access to the motor and drive belts can be done form the main garage bay. The downside of this is if I want to keep a good working space, and get a set of dividing curtains behind it nicely, I've only got a metre to spare between the lathe and the back of the garage.

Luckily, I can wedge my little zyto mini-lathe in there which doesn't need a full-depth workbench (especially if I mount the motor on the wall above it), and the mini-mill can go on an angle in the corner (taking up less space than it shows in the picture).

That lets me have a decent sized 'clean' workbench that can house the 3D printer and still have space for engines/gearboxes/whathaveyou. It also means that lathe/mill swarf gets chucked over other lathes rather than onto any workbenches (in principle anyway).

I think this is the favourite so far...
 
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