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seagiant

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Hi,
Looking at taking a 6 month HVAC Course, at my local Tech School.

They have a good HVAC Teacher, I hear, and might go look into it?

Anyone, done this before?

Not really wanting to go back to work, but this will give me all the Certs, I need to buy Freon, and teach me the basics?

Have studied HVAC on my own and can do basic troubleshooting, but can not buy Freon to go into all of it!
 
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I think it is fairly common for people to acquire skills after retirement. Potential for second careers, part time work or simply to increase skill for personal use.

I started taking classes at the local community college shortly after retiring. I've taken welding classes, and I started to go through the automotive repair program they offer, but Covid put that on hold and I haven't gotten back to it. Lately I've been taking art classes.

All for personal use, I have no intent of using any of these to start a second career. I stay plenty busy using my career skills to get enough part time work to keep up with my hobby expenses.


If the effort of an HVAC program is worthwhile to you, I say go for it. Worst case you can be a very knowledgeable backseat driver when you hire an HVAC guy to work at your house. ;)
 

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To buy refrigerant, you just need an EPA 608 Cert. I did that on line and got my EPA 608 Universal Cert last January - did it through SkillCat and cost me $10. Took the online course over 5 or 6 days and then the on-line, proctored test. I learned some doing it and am planning to do at least two mini-split installs in the near future. To be licensed in Ohio, among other things, you have to carry insurance and I am not interested in doing HVAC professionally so not taking that route. I did use it to get a commercial account at Supplyhouse.com.

Concerning post-retirement Tech education, I say do it. After I retired I went back to our Community College and got an Associates Degree in Automotive Technology - got my automotive AC Automotive EPA Section 609 Cert at that time. It is good to stay busy!
 
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Hi,
Do you now need a 609 to buy the newer Auto Freon, not the 134A?
You need the 609 to buy large quantities of 134a, I think over 2 lbs. I believe same for 1234yf. Under 2 lbs, you don't need the cert. If you are interested, the 609 cert is much easier to get than the 608. Open book test and they send you a cert....


Also - you ought to look at SkillCat for 609 cert, don't know but they might have it. The do have a lot of HVAC courses you can take on line so that might interest you, too.
 
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To buy refrigerant, you just need an EPA 608 Cert. I did that on line and got my EPA 608 Universal Cert last January - did it through SkillCat and cost me $10. Took the online course over 5 or 6 days and then the on-line, proctored test. I learned some doing it and am planning to do at least two mini-split installs in the near future. To be licensed in Ohio, among other things, you have to carry insurance and I am not interested in doing HVAC professionally so not taking that route. I did use it to get a commercial account at Supplyhouse.com.

Concerning post-retirement Tech education, I say do it. After I retired I went back to our Community College and got an Associates Degree in Automotive Technology - got my automotive AC Automotive EPA Section 609 Cert at that time. It is good to stay busy!
I buy from supplyhouse.com with a basic account from time to time. Does commercial account give you a good discount?
 

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I buy from supplyhouse.com with a basic account from time to time. Does commercial account give you a good discount?
It is a small discount...like 5% or so but you get free shipping which is expedited. Also, if you need to contact them, you have a different number. So it is not huge but their prices are pretty low to begin with. I like doing business with them.
 

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I was going to type - just get the online cert if you are only going to fix things for yourself - but others beat me to it ! I almost did that myself, but for some reason (lazy, I guess) I didn't follow through.

Anyway, absolutely nothing wrong with taking classes and learning something new as a retiree. Let me say that differently. I think taking a class and learning something new is a great idea !
 

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People have already covered the 608 (same with 609 cert). I have been having classes with 10 and 12 year old sons and they will be taking their 608 here in a few months.

Since we were installing a mini split I bought 1733817263 isbn "Inverter Mini Split Operations and Service Procedures" by Craig Migliaccio as a text book for them. He also has workbooks to go along with the main book.

Great theory of operation and how each component works. Plus he has a ton of companion videos on youtube. He also has a central AC book as well.

 
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IDK about trade schools, but toolmiser is dead right about senior discounts for college courses. Free to audit classes at both major state universities in my area. Heck, it's "Audit" so you learn whatever you learn, don't worry about tests. I keep planning on doing it, but other sh** keeps getting in the way.
 

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You need the 609 to buy large quantities of 134a, I think over 2 lbs. I believe same for 1234yf. Under 2 lbs, you don't need the cert. If you are interested, the 609 cert is much easier to get than the 608. Open book test and they send you a cert....


Also - you ought to look at SkillCat for 609 cert, don't know but they might have it. The do have a lot of HVAC courses you can take on line so that might interest you, too.
I can buy any gas with just the 608.
 

BurtEggley

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some refrigerants are used simultaneously in automotive, transportation, and residential. Those can be bought with either 608 or 609 certs. If you hold a 609 cert, it allows you to work on automotive and transportation systems like those found in semi refrigerated cargo carriers, so one can say buy R-454 legally with a 609. Many places sell it if you self-certify you hold the proper cert to buy it. But, you are not supposed to work on residential units with just the 609. Both the 608 and 609 can be earned online with inexpensive courses. It has been a while since I looked at the law, but I think that the way it is written, the 609 cert is required to work on a residential unit, or to closely and continuously supervise a registered apprentice who is, with a two year drop dead date for them to acquire their own 608.

HOWEVER, where you will find 3 steps forward and 2 backwards if you get the 608 cert is in the cost to acquire the equipment needed to properly work on a residential HVAC system. What you save in paying others, you will pay double in equipment cost to work with refrigerants. And you will give up space in your tool area for all that equipment. Been there done that. And, every so many years that equipment will become obsolete and you will have to buy it again. However, you will have an excellent understanding of the systems, and that will tell you if someone else knows what they are doing, and if their price quotes are in line.

I've had the 609 cert for eons. Used to do all my own work but stopped when the cost of equipment kept changing to where a savings of $2500 was lost in a cost of $4000 in equipment, which kept changing every 10 years or so. A properly maintained residential HVAC system should not need work beyond cleaning, checking caps, contactors. filters, checking T.E.S.P., etc., over a 10 - 15 year period. Those do not require a license in most jurisdictions for a DIY.
 

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I did 608 and 609 online with Skilcat very inexpensive believe 608 was free but I joined with 609 its something like $10/mo. Joining wasn't a requirement to get 609 I just signed up because I felt they provided good value and joining opens up all the other online courses. Haven't done many other courses yet but would like to take some others. Skillcat charges you for a plastic wallet card if if you want one but the credential is available online for free if you need a copy or number for a supplier. I bought a card for 608 which is good to buy any refrigerant you may need. 609 enables you to buy automotive refrigerants in larger sizes that what is available to anyone at the automotive parts stores.

I spent a little over $3k for equipment. So far only replaced a compressor in wife's car. It is possible to do that job for much less (all you really need is a can of refrigerant with service port adapter and a vacuum pump) but I enjoy having good tools and probably bought better than most would for diy projects. The core tools that I purchased can be used for both automotive and residential as well.

I say go for the classes if that's what you want to do but you can learn alot and get your certs online as well. Good luck.
 
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zimman

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Hi,
Looking at taking a 6 month HVAC Course, at my local Tech School.

They have a good HVAC Teacher, I hear, and might go look into it?

Anyone, done this before?

Not really wanting to go back to work, but this will give me all the Certs, I need to buy Freon, and teach me the basics?

Have studied HVAC on my own and can do basic troubleshooting, but can not buy Freon to go into all of it!

Great idea. Anyone that wants to learn a new trade, or educate themselves on anything is a great idea. Whether it's necessary or not.
Proud of ya.
Zim
 

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I am thinking seriously about taking a water treatment course since we have gone into the filter and soon consumables part of that business. The older I get the more I become aware of what I don't know.
 

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I have thought about using my GI Bill to take welding courses at the nearest community college - no desire to ever go back to work but I'd like to get better at welding for my own purposes.

My problem is the community college is about an hour away, gas is $5 my F250 gets 12 MPG and the F150 gets about 10 MPG (it has a 4-barrel and I like to use all four sometimes)
 

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6 months seems long if you already know the ins and outs. I'm quite sure there's something shorter for purchase/transport of refrigerant. Back when I applied for the local HVAC union (green apprentice) a short course for that was a prerequisite.

If its about doing some side work, an automotive AC charge/recovery unit is practically a license to print money.
 

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some refrigerants are used simultaneously in automotive, transportation, and residential. Those can be bought with either 608 or 609 certs. If you hold a 609 cert, it allows you to work on automotive and transportation systems like those found in semi refrigerated cargo carriers, so one can say buy R-454 legally with a 609. Many places sell it if you self-certify you hold the proper cert to buy it. But, you are not supposed to work on residential units with just the 609. Both the 608 and 609 can be earned online with inexpensive courses. It has been a while since I looked at the law, but I think that the way it is written, the 609 cert is required to work on a residential unit, or to closely and continuously supervise a registered apprentice who is, with a two year drop dead date for them to acquire their own 608.

HOWEVER, where you will find 3 steps forward and 2 backwards if you get the 608 cert is in the cost to acquire the equipment needed to properly work on a residential HVAC system. What you save in paying others, you will pay double in equipment cost to work with refrigerants. And you will give up space in your tool area for all that equipment. Been there done that. And, every so many years that equipment will become obsolete and you will have to buy it again. However, you will have an excellent understanding of the systems, and that will tell you if someone else knows what they are doing, and if their price quotes are in line.

I've had the 609 cert for eons. Used to do all my own work but stopped when the cost of equipment kept changing to where a savings of $2500 was lost in a cost of $4000 in equipment, which kept changing every 10 years or so. A properly maintained residential HVAC system should not need work beyond cleaning, checking caps, contactors. filters, checking T.E.S.P., etc., over a 10 - 15 year period. Those do not require a license in most jurisdictions for a DIY.
What equipment upkeep are you referring to? Other than updating for the newer A2L stuff, you can get by with a simple analog manifold. K-type thermocouples and a DMM will get your temps for SH and SC.


Vacuum pump and recovery machine aren't really that expensive, if you figure a simple A-coil replacement is starting at $1,500.

I'd say the most obnoxious part is dealing with nitrogen, oxy/acy, and proper recovery cylinders.

Doesn't mean it's always worthwhile to maintain your own stuff, but many of us here lean that way.
 

BurtEggley

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my experience with AC units is that if they are installed properly, and cared for, other than a cap going out of tolerance, they last a very long time. I think the last AC unit we put in cost me about $2000 over a 20 year period excluding upgrades that were non-refrigerant related. If I were to work on mine I would want a complete Fieldpiece setup with manifold and all the blue tooth devices. Pressure sensors, temperature clamps, one would need a charging scale and some brand of quality vacuum pump. A good brazing set, FPM measuring meter, manometer, combustion analyzer, maybe hold off on a leak detector unless one had a leak. Accurate capacitor meter. A recovery tank, plus the small nuisance items to install Schrader valves etc..

On the other hand, I can get the PDF for my unit for free, study the specs for free, measure the distance with a tape measure every DIY has, determine the proper gauge supply wires, copper lines, breakers, etc., make sure the people doing the work aren't cutting corners there. Ask any tech when the last time was they calibrated their equipment and their eyes will cross. A temperature probe can be calibrated in a boiling pot of water if you know your elevation, and you can let them use the pot you have in your kitchen. The last guy who did that assured me his probes were accurate - they ended up being about 10F off. That changes subcooling and superheat quite a bit. You can check the tesp pretty easily if you have a manometer, and set your system up for perfect efficiency. A Klein manometer is about $120 or a UEi about $170. The UEi kit is $250 on Amazon. I think I they were about $170 when I got mine. There is a lot someone can do without the 608 and without any investment. Then just hire someone to recover and charge the system if it is ever needed. Have them come out once a year to check subcooling and superheat. It is the equipment to do it right that makes it too expensive for a DIY situation. Now if someone has a big family and helps out their friends, kids, and siblings etc., it probably pencils out other then when something else breaks make sure they don't blame you. You find the system is low on refrigerant - fix that and six weeks later the compressor goes out. You won't want them blaming Uncle Bill. Someone doing it for a living is factoring in those type events into their prices.

From a standpoint of gaining knowledge - I'd say do it. You can't lose there. But if the idea is to save money, it might not work. And many wholesale HVAC dealers won't just take a 608 to sell to. Most out here want a contractors' license before they will sell to you. Occasionally some will work with you if you can get their front office to set up an account for you and you hold EPA cert(s).
 
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