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Crescent 4” and their pre patent competition K&B and Scholler. First crescent 4” 1915 still had crosscut on worm screw.

I have what I would call a first generation 1908 vs later. Both 10” both patent pending but one is a rougher type of steel with hammer marks possibly testing strength of neck The unusual part is the top is flattened off where movable jaw comes out top. While not on 1907 diagram it is on the...

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You can see a nick in ratchet where pipe would fit over handle. However, it can be used without handle as well ( despite designed intent for more torque) so it still “kinda” qualifies as first stubby ratchet. Grab and use.

If you followed thread there is a same size as the EE-1 I referenced earlier. The handle is secure and does not twist off like today’s large ratchets (ie snap-on) I have seen several of these. They prolly saved forging costs by hammer drop forging head part only, then attaching machined handle...

The EE Johnson Era 1881-1886 ( mass produced stubby and proto type)

I am confident the EE stubby was made by EE Johnson as a machinist at Lowell Wrench Co. in the 1881-1886 period. And that the EE Johnson”2” was made after the stubby but wasn’t mass produced. It might have been a proto type to compete with the Sinclair patent.

The insides

Ok here’s the EE-8. It appears to be before the EE Johnson long ratchet. It mirrors the guts of your Ben it has. 5/8 opening in gear vs 1/2 the walls by the pawls are narrow. So the EE Johnson “2” really was after the No. 1. The Stubby appears to be in the 1881-1886 (EE JOHNSON Years) and befor...

The head must be bigger on EE the gear is 1 5/8 wide but only an inch in height. The housing is 2 3/8 wide by 5 3/4 long at lower bar ridge.

In that one you have a machined gear I was comparing it to your other 1864. This one. So the EE should have a machined gear. If the walls are thin like yours then we will know this came after the stubby.

The biggest and most significant change I see is the main gear is now machined vs cast. The head is either bigger or beefier as well. From pawls to edge of case is thicker. It’ll be interesting to to the EE-8 stubby. I’m thinking it has a machined gear as well.

Here are the guts of EE Johnson ratchet “2”. I will post pics of EE-8 stubby when I can. I’ll let y’all make your own decisions.

It looks like the census would put your address at where you worked before your home address. So EE Johnson who did not show up on 1880 rolls but did for next available rolls 1882 & 1885 is shown as WORKING at working 19 Church St. (Lowell factory) living at 8 Chatham; then next available ( that...

If you could please send me the link to the older thread I’m very interested in the evolution on the Lowell ratchet from 1864 to 1886. Are there any EE stubbies in that thread?

Yesssss exactly. I had to laugh when I saw red paint on the right pawl. You might check yours. Obviously there was someone helping EE put these things together.

By the way I’m an engineer so I get more joy looking at the evolution of tools vs the actual tool itself. I know it frustrates lots of folks but the little changes make me ask why.