New build: Arts & Crafts style garage in historic neighborhood

twokidsnosleep · Sep 2, 2010

993James993 said:
Hi TwoKids,

I must have subconsciously thought about your post all last night. When I woke up this morning I knew what I can do. I've considered putting up a picture rail molding but now I plan to attached a french cleat around the walls. This will let me attach the cabinets and then move them easily.

Thanks! I'm very happy that you posted that link.

Hey, no worries happy to help :beer:

I have big dreams of renovating my 18'x15' shop and have the land space, just not the expertise and $. Just lurking about and dreaming at this stage.
Scott

993James993 · Sep 2, 2010

twokidsnosleep said:
Hey, no worries happy to help
I have big dreams of renovating my 18'x15' shop and have the land space, just not the expertise and $. Just lurking about and dreaming at this stage.
Scott

I know just how you feel. I dreamed about this for seven or eight years. Most of the ideas that I went with were not obvious at first. Because of that it's probably best that I didn't rush out and build a garage eight years ago when I bought this house.

The $ part is probably never ideal, but as I got older I came to realize that time is even more limited than money. I finally figured I better do this if I wanted to enjoy it while I was young enough to participate in the build and to work on the cars. Even though I am not that old, I'm racing against the clock hoping to get a lift installed and enjoy it with my son before he finishes school and moves away.

993James993 · Sep 4, 2010

Hemihead2 said:
I saw the Saber cabinets this past weekend at the West Coast Nationals car show and was very impressed with the quality and the affordability. They aren't blue, but still have a very nice two tone grey finish. IIRC, the owner told me he's considering offering them in blue or red in the future.

http://www.sabercabinets.com/gj

And they also have their site listed on the GJ home page at the bottom right.

Hi Hemihead2,

Thanks for the link. Those cabinets look very nice and the price is exceptional. If they are available in blue when I am ready to orderI might go with them. I'm probably a few months away.

Thank you.

993James993 · Sep 4, 2010

Not much new to report. I took two days off to work on the building but didn't get much done. I did backfill the rest of the open trench and replaced the brick in the walkway so that it looks like it did before. I also tested the green stain for the beaded board and did not like any of the three samples. I think I will just go with a clear coat, using the same brand of stain. I did speak with the painter and he is scheduled for Sunday (his choice) to caulk and prep the siding. With luck he will finish up the siding and the windows over the next week. I also met with a drywall guy who is going to give me a quote for insulation and sheetrock. This is something that I could conceivably do myself but I think its better to get it done and over with. Just like painting, I could do it but it will take 10 weekends during which time it would be impossible to park inside.

The added cost of the new electric panel makes it harder to purchase the interior lighting and cabinets. In large part those are two expenses that can be put off. Stainless steel work surfaces are going to wait as well.

993James993 · Sep 6, 2010

I know everyone has wondered why I choose windows without appropriate period correct ogee lugs. Kolbe offers ogee lugs but they are not integrated into the sash. You install them after the windows are installed. This morning I took care of that detail.

The painter came by yesterday and caulked the edges. Tomorrow he starts painting!

Pavement SuX · Sep 6, 2010

The attention to detail is amazing in this garage, I know how you feel about having tons and tons of ideas storing up over the years. It really shows that you spent time thinking everything out.

abstamaria · Sep 7, 2010

Pardon the ignorance, but what are ogee lugs, Jim?

993James993 · Sep 7, 2010

Hi Andres, ogee lugs are the curved wooden pieces at the bottom of the front window pane. As this window can be lowered they act as a bumper or shock absorber to protect the glass should the window be slammed down hard. In traditional windows the side rail includes them. They are a typical detail in arts & crafts houses.

The windows in my house house have this detail along with three to four divided lites in the top pane. The lone window in the former carriage house had ogee lugs but no divided lites. I went back and forth on wether or not to use divided lites and finally opted to match the carriage house.

I was joking when I posted that I knew that everyone wondered about the lack of ogee lugs.

I didn't know what they were called when I started this project.

wrigh003 · Sep 7, 2010

Looking good!

aqr81 · Sep 7, 2010

Looks great!

993James993 · Sep 7, 2010

Pavement Sux, Andres, Wrigh003 and Aqr81, thank you looking at my build and taking the time to leave your encouraging comments. I appreciate them very much.

My painter prepped and sprayed two of the four sides today. I took some photos but the camera does capture the shade very well. It could be the late hour and dim light. Overall it's hard to imagine how the color will turn out but I'm hopeful that it will be just what I envisioned. I'll have a better idea in the morning with fresh light shining on it. My wife has already expressed her reservations. Here is the best I could capture when I came home from work.

I'm still mulling over the bid from the drywall contractor. The price is twice what I thought or hoped it would be. I actually have no real basis other than gut feeling for my own estimate of what it should be. In thinking about it I've come to the realization that I can't possibly do that job myself. To be clear, I probably could get it done, but it would take 5 to 6 weeks working on the weekends, during which time we wouldn't be able to parking inside. As I write this I know I am not going to do the insulation and sheetrock myself.

I'll post hopefully better photos of the paint tomorrow.

993James993 · Sep 9, 2010

Here is a photo taken this afternoon when I came home from work. In this photo the siding looks yellow, whereas to my eye it looks green.

344chief · Sep 9, 2010

Looks very good so far, and a decent place to store the porsche(s)

Looking forward to the rest of the "story"

abstamaria · Sep 9, 2010

993James993 said:
Here is a photo taken this afternoon when I came home from work. In this photo the siding looks yellow, whereas to my eye it looks green.

Very nice.

993James993 · Sep 10, 2010

Andres and 344chief, thank you.

Chief, I love the dark grey color of your 964. Is it stone grey?

Here are some shots of the paint work:

This wall will get one more coat due to a slight difference in texture near the door.

This one shows the door:

twokidsnosleep · Sep 10, 2010

GOD I love that door :drool:

993James993 · Sep 11, 2010

Thanks Twokids! When the door was first finished the painter said that he couldn't remove the bottom sweep without damaging it. Thats been nagging at me so today while he was over to finish up the paint I pulled the sweep off and had him seal up the bottom with the oil. After seeing the bottom I'm very glad I took the trouble to do this.

He resprayed this wall because of an uneven spot. It looks better now.

Next job is sheet rock. That should start the week after next. Once that's done and inspected the electricians can come back and I should be able to get the final inspections. I still need to add the trim boards around the top, trim out the windows inside and figure out the walkway, but I am much closer to being finished.

abstamaria · Sep 12, 2010

QUOTE: This one shows the door: QUOTE

The colors complement each other so well. The common remark here at home is that your garage is so neat (in the old sense of the word). I see now that it is a very clean, minimal design. Very refreshing.

993James993 · Sep 13, 2010

Hi Andres,

I mentioned in an earlier post that the color palette was created by Frank LLoyd Wright. For the garage I wanted the walls to be a little more green than the house so I had the paint company put twice the amount of tint in the light green. I had them make up about 8 different samples and finally settled on this one.

If I had it to do over I now think I would paint the walls the green olive color and go with a rich brown for the door, windows and rafter tails. The darker green would have made the building seem smaller and would have provided a needed contrast to the house and guest house. My wife did not agree with that idea so that was the end of it. I am happy with how it came out.

The building is indeed very simple. It is square with a hip roof. The most ornate component is the lap siding which I've found is very unforgiving of installation mistakes. I am hopeful that with time and maybe a vine or two I will no longer notice them. Actually I originally wanted a plain steel garage door without the embossed panels, but was cautioned that plain doors would inevitably show irregularities.

brownfoot · Sep 13, 2010

just a question, I notice a dark(black) area between the top of the siding and the bottom of the roof sheathing, is this area completed?
oh, and maybe repair the rafter tail on the adjoining building........
your build is very nice, just had a grandfather that was an old school trim carpenter, had to ask in his memory

993James993 · Sep 13, 2010

brownfoot said:
just a question, I notice a dark(black) area between the top of the siding and the bottom of the roof sheathing, is this area completed?
oh, and maybe repair the rafter tail on the adjoining building........
your build is very nice, just had a grandfather that was an old school trim carpenter, had to ask in his memory

Hi Brownfoot,

You are right, I still need to cut and install the trim boards. I described how I want to do this in a previous post several months ago. The trim will be olive green to match the other trim.

For the dry rotted rafter tail I have a hundred year old stud that I salvaged from a house remodel. I will replace it soon.

Thank you for looking and for your interest!

abstamaria · Sep 19, 2010

Jim, now that we've had several weeks' experience with the grass pavers and grass has grown in them, I thought I should tell you that they are easy to walk on and aren't likely to trip. Women with tall heels will have the same problem as on grass, but the pavers do provide a more solid feel than plain turf. You might want to reconsider them for the strip between your driveway and the street. Andres

993James993 · Sep 19, 2010

Thank you Andres! I might still go with the grass pavers on the sides but for that strip I am now leaning toward using a mixture of dirt and portland cement. I need to research this further but it seems like an economical way to keep that spot from turning to mud. This combination is used to make rammed earth structures that are becoming popular in this area. I priced both brick and solid concrete pavers for this area and and would rather spend that amount on overhead metal cabinets.

There is not much new to report. I was out of town all week and my plans to do minimal painting this weekend never materialized. I did manage to remove everything but the cars from the garage in preparation for insulation and sheet rock, which I hope to schedule this week.

droptop73 · Sep 19, 2010

How about some crushed/recycled concrete? Contractors around here use it for temporary roads on construction sites. It keeps mud down and will get fairly hard with moisture and use.

993James993 · Sep 22, 2010

Thanks Droptop, thats a great idea. I wish that had occurred to me earlier as I've tossed out enough small caliche bits to have paved the whole thing. I have plenty caliche along with some medium sized gravel that I will put there. If it works that may be all I do.

993James993 · Sep 22, 2010

The drywall crew was here this morning at 7:30 AM and by 1:00 had pretty much finished installing the insulation and hanging the sheet rock. I left for work shortly after they arrived and when I came home at lunchtime they were almost done. It looked great but I didn't go inside as the floor was covered in white dust and debris.

When I came home I got a better look. Overall they did a great job and I'm very happy but they didn't end the top of the sheetrock at the top of the top plate as I wanted. Instead they extended it up to cover the metal tie downs that anchor the rafter tails. The contractor is meeting me in the morning to look at it and I'll have them cut off the excess so that it's finished how I want. I doubt it's a big deal and hope that it doesn't hold up the finish work. The inspection is tomorrow and tape and texture is scheduled for Friday. If all goes according to schedule I am planing to paint this weekend and get the electrician back here next week.

The interior seems much smaller with the sheetrock up. I thought it would look larger..... :headscrat

Here are some photos from this morning.

twokidsnosleep · Sep 23, 2010

James did they do any insulation? I think I see insulation rolls in the second pic.
Bear with me as I ask a stupid, selfish and long-winded question.
This is a stumbling point for my detached garage as the interior walls looks similar to your first pic but no plywood; I have cedar siding nailed from the outside directly to the studs ...no plywood no tar paper no house wrap, just siding right to studs.
Up here in the Great White North (brrrr) I want some insulation before I finish my interior walls, BUT, there are gaps in the siding and I am worried insects or rodents will have a nice space to live in if I insulate up against the siding.

I think I may have to remove the siding first, place plywood sheathing and then tar or house wrap??? Man, I am talking myself into re-siding the whole darn garage here...or freezing my a$$ off. I started out asking a question not really knowing what to do and now have talked myself into what I don't want to do..redo the whole darn garage's siding.
Good grief

Scott

993James993 · Sep 23, 2010

Hi Scott,

Yes, they did install insulation. When I was researching how to install insulation I recall reading that you want to make sure that any gaps are sealed to prevent air flow. In my case the insulation is to help keep the building from heating up in the hot summers.

What type of siding do you have? It it lap siding or sheets? Removing lap siding would be quite a job and you would probably destroy at least some of it. If it's sheet goods you can likely just seal the gaps. Also, keep in mind that buildings are constructed differently depending on the environment. Your cold winters in Burnaby require different techniques than desert heat. Have you talked to any insulation contractors? I would start with getting two or three bids and let them explain how they would do it. I would probably hire them as well because this is the kind of job that would take me ages to do. Good luck. Please let me know how it goes.

twostory · Sep 23, 2010

twokidsnosleep said:
This is a stumbling point for my detached garage as the interior walls looks similar to your first pic but no plywood; I have cedar siding nailed from the outside directly to the studs ...no plywood no tar paper no house wrap, just siding right to studs.

You should look into spray foam. While it is expensive, it would seal your walls, and you just drywall the inside.

Removing the siding, sheathing the building, installing Tyvek, then residing & installing "normal insulation", will probably cost more than paying a professional to spray foam the building. As a bonus, it is done in an afternoon, not weeks.

BLUBAYOU · Sep 23, 2010

spray foam - my thought exactly

abstamaria · Sep 23, 2010

Jim, I used crushed gravel for my driveway for many years It worked well, looked neat, and got clean with each rain.

993James993 · Sep 23, 2010

abstamaria said:
Jim, I used crushed gravel for my driveway for many years It worked well, looked neat, and got clean with each rain.

Haha! That solution is literally laying right next to the problem. Before building the garage the area was used for parking and it was covered in crushed gravel. This weekend I am going to smooth it out and back fill with gravel.

Thanks Droptop and Andres! :thumbup:

993James993 · Sep 24, 2010

Rough drywall work:

It will be taped and textured today and then sanded on Monday. I had hoped to paint this weekend but I'm glad that the contractor is taking the time to do it right.

lupinsea · Sep 24, 2010

Looking very sharp, Jim. :thumbup:

twokidsnosleep · Sep 25, 2010

Yes, it is looking great. Love the rafters.
Can't wait to see you finish this off and start enjoying it.

993James993 · Sep 25, 2010

Hi Lupinsea and Twokids. Thanks for the nice comments.

One of the drywall guys came today to continue working. He gave it a second coat of mud and is texturing it as well. I think he will likely finish it today which is a nice surprise. Part of me is tempted to go to the paint store and get the material so that I can paint tomorrow, but I think it best to let it dry thoroughly and just do it next weekend. I'll post photos later today.

993James993 · Sep 26, 2010

Textured finish:

993James993 · Sep 26, 2010

Here is another shot that shows how the walls meet the ceiling. I'm very pleased with how this turned out.

The dust from the drywall seems to be everywhere.There is a fine coat on the two cars. I think that the best way to get rid of it is to mop it. I used the shop vac and ended up sneezing so badly that I had to stop.

Next up is interior paint which I will do myself. After that the electrician will return to install the lights and outlets and to turn on the power. Then just the final electrical inspection and the final building inspection and I am finished with the official build. Of course I still have a ton of jobs remaining but even so, that will be a significant milestone.

Building this has been quite a journey. I've gained a tremendous amount of knowledge related to a wide variety of areas. If you have the inclination to design and build your own project I highly recommend that you do it.

abstamaria · Sep 27, 2010

"Next up is interior paint which I will do myself."

What color. Jim? The current (still unpainted) walls highlight your gorgeous ceiling.

993James993 · Sep 27, 2010

Andres, I have considered four different colors for the interior. Three of them are from the same Frank Lloyd Wright palette as the rest of my house-two blues and a green-while the fourth is a plain shade of white. In the end I think the white will win out because it will reflect light well and should complement the amber color of the roof framing. I'll pick out an ivory shade that evokes the 1920's.

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